Riot police raid illegal gypsy site Dale Farm - 7 arrested, many injured
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[QUOTE=thisispain;32877537]it's obvious from the way you post lol.
yeah i worked pretty hard to make sure i never mentioned race. i'm just saying you are in no position to say other people don't know what they are talking about when you're not really saying anything amazingly informative either.
basically stop rubbing your cock on everyone. it's annoying.[/QUOTE]
Neither are you all you've basically done is gone onto google and searched up gypsy, and how is it obvious from the way I post. Yet you have the cheek to talk to me about English Grammar and all you do is make basic capitalisation errors.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32877532]So you're aware that there are two groups of people referred to as "gypsies", yet made no distinction between the two?[/QUOTE]
Of course I'm aware, what made you think I [I]haven't[/I] distinguished between the two
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;32877568]The fuck are you on about defending gypsies?
Here in Romania I see gypsies all day begging, stealing, going through garbage and making a shitload of kids so they can get more money from the state and to send them to beg.
[B]Most gypsies as lazy as fuck[/B] (most, since there are some gypsy villages inhabited by hard-working people that usually make pots and that kind of things, which I respect), the concept of working for money is unknown to them. [B]Here gypsies have less work to do than actual romanians to become something in life[/B], but they still don't. [B]Here they have free university, while us native romanians have to pay for it, they can even get concilours that will help them get jobs.[/B] But guess what, [B]most just stay with begging and spending their day through garbage bins.[/B]
So stop trying to defend such people as gypsies, they don't deserve it[/QUOTE]
Yeah, gonna need sources for these kinds of claims. You can't just rail off a bunch of 'most' comments and have nothing to back it up.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32877597]For the sake of this example, let's just say people in California called Asian criminals "chinks" as a common thing. If I came into this thread and just started going on about how "the chinks are raised to be criminals", you probably wouldn't look at it too reasonably, would you?[/QUOTE]
Well, no, I wouldn't. Because that's a racist remark and it refers to a race rather than a culture. That's what I've been saying, they're two different things hence why I have to stress my points to you.
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;32877568]The fuck are you on about defending gypsies?
Here in Romania I see gypsies all day begging, stealing, going through garbage and making a shitload of kids so they can get more money from the state and to send them to beg.
Most gypsies as lazy as fuck (most, since there are some gypsy villages inhabited by hard-working people that usually make pots and that kind of things), the concept of working for money is unknown to them. Here gypsies have less work to do than actual romanians to become something in life, but they still don't. Here they have free university, while us native romanians have to pay for it, they can even get concilours that will help them get jobs. But guess what, most just stay with begging and spending their day through garbage bins.
So stop trying to defend such people as gypsies[/QUOTE]
too bad it's all made up bullshit. you think you can get away with it because i don't live where you live so you can claim some kind of closed-world autonomy.
sorry kids, the problems aren't the gypsies. if they didn't exist we'd all be just as miserable and we'd probably be hating on people from poland or something.
it's not like this shit is new anyway, this is all stuff your ignorant ancestors did. i'm just amazed at why you don't question the same bullshit.
aren't we a bit bored of gypsy hate? i sure am.
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[QUOTE=icemaz;32877576]No yes, I know that hence why I made that distinction. As I keep saying there is a misguided use of the word in England and it's creating problems here in this thread, I'm trying to clear it up.[/QUOTE]
you haven't cleared anything up fyi.
[QUOTE=Charybdis;32877622]Of course I'm aware, what made you think I [I]haven't[/I] distinguished between the two[/QUOTE]
Probably the post where you say "why are we even talking about Romanis?"
[QUOTE=thisispain;32877626]too bad it's all made up bullshit. you think you can get away with it because i don't live where you live so you can claim some kind of closed-world autonomy.
sorry kids, the problems aren't the gypsies. if they didn't exist we'd all be just as miserable and we'd probably be hating on people from poland or something.
it's not like this shit is new anyway, this is all stuff your ignorant ancestors did. i'm just amazed at why you don't question the same bullshit.
aren't we a bit bored of gypsy hate? i sure am.
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you haven't cleared anything up fyi.[/QUOTE]
I'm intrigued what is the problem.
And I know I didn't for you because you're not getting it at all.
There was that source that Czech user posted that showed when a gypsy group moved in crime shot up 200%
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32877635]Probably the post where you say "why are we even talking about Romanis?"[/QUOTE]
But Romanis are different things than Gypsies. He was saying "Why are we talking about X when we should be talking about Y?".
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32877563]Yes, a Spanish Google search. I'm afraid I don't speak Spanish.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://translate.google.com/[/url]
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32877623]Yeah, gonna need sources for these kinds of claims. You can't just rail off a bunch of 'most' comments and have nothing to back it up.[/QUOTE]
Source? Ask any eastern european and they'll all say the same. Seriously people do you think all of us eastern europeans hate on gypsies just because we like hating shit? We have valid reasons, some that are in my previous post.
Don't believe it, not like I care. But I see them every day and have experienced lots of shit from gypsies, so don't tell me that I'm saying bullshit
[QUOTE=Cone;32877625]Well, no, I wouldn't. Because that's a racist remark and it refers to a race rather than a culture. That's what I've been saying, they're two different things hence why I have to stress my points to you.[/QUOTE]
Okay, then say it was 'oriental' or 'latino' or any other thing that is already a word for something. The point is if you're aware of a distinction, either make that distinction or just don't be ridiculous about it. If there's thieves then call those people thieves, and if there are murderers then call those people murderers, but I fail to see the point in going "these gypsies are raised to be thieves" or "the gypsy culture is all about thievery and not working".
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[QUOTE=OnDemand;32877681][url]http://translate.google.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
Sorry, I'm not going to go find your sources for you.
[QUOTE=icemaz;32877598]Neither are you all you've basically done is gone onto google and searched up gypsy, and how is it obvious from the way I post.[/QUOTE]
no i've read books and watched movies because i have a genuine interest in people. people here don't have an interest in people they just wanna get the hate out in a place where it is acceptable.
[QUOTE=icemaz;32877598]Yet you have the cheek to talk to me about English Grammar and all you do is make basic capitalisation errors.[/QUOTE]
yes that's because capitalisation is different from grammar love.
i choose not to capitalise my words dear. i'm pretty sure you didn't choose to write gragmented incorrect sentences.
and i wouldn't even be picking on you if you hadn't mouthed off about nationality like you always do. do you really think posting chat logs make you look intelligent?
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;32877689]Source? Ask any eastern european and they'll all say the same. Seriously people do you think all of us eastern europeans hate on gypsies just because we like hating shit? We have valid reasons, some that are in my previous post.
Don't believe it, not like I care. But I see them every day and have experienced lots of shit from gypsies, so don't tell me that I'm saying bullshit[/QUOTE]
You realize that even the consensus can be wrong, right? Even if a majority of Eastern Europeans say something is true, it doesn't mean it is.
[QUOTE=icemaz;32877653]I'm intrigued what is the problem.[/QUOTE]
this is exactly what i'm talking about. how shitty have the UK schools become? you cannot blame gypsies for your bad writing, can you?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32877692]Okay, then say it was 'oriental' or 'latino' or any other thing that is already a word for something. The point is if you're aware of a distinction, either make that distinction or just don't be ridiculous about it. If there's thieves then call those people thieves, and if there are murderers then call those people murderers, but I fail to see the point in going "these gypsies are raised to be thieves" or "the gypsy culture is all about thievery and not working".[/QUOTE]
Well, the conversation is about Gypsies, so I thought I'd point out that thieves can be Gypsies because people were saying otherwise. It'd be a bit weird if I came in and said "I hate thievery" when it's a widely regarded fact that thievery sucks.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32877692]Sorry, I'm not going to go find your sources for you.[/QUOTE]
He just gave you the source. It's the only real way he's going to translate it for you, and you specifically asked for it.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32877707]You realize that even the consensus can be wrong, right? Even if a majority of Eastern Europeans say something is true, it doesn't mean it is.[/QUOTE]
As I said, I experienced how they are myself, live.
What one more of an example? At each wedding I've been at every time there was over 10 gypsy kids going around us asking for money or selling crosses and icons. Their mothers were just a few streets away watching them. If we told them to get the fuck out and leave us alone their mothers would immediately come and start screaming and arguing.
They are scum
[QUOTE=thisispain;32877701]no i've read books and watched movies because i have a genuine interest in people. people here don't have an interest in people they just wanna get the hate out in a place where it is acceptable.
yes that's because capitalisation is different from grammar love.
i choose not to capitalise my words dear. i'm pretty sure you didn't choose to write gragmented incorrect sentences.
and i wouldn't even be picking on you if you hadn't mouthed off about nationality like you always do. do you really think posting chat logs make you look intelligent?[/QUOTE]
Yet in this particular case once again, it's something I've had personal interaction with and I'm also trying to help this whole language misinterpreting thing going on here that means you can make every British person here look bad for a simple mistake. I know it's different I'm merely stating that you're not doing it (and it's annoying me).
And dear (I love it when you call me that keep doing it), I don't think they do but for the life of me you don't half provide me some entertainment.
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;32877689]Seriously people do you think all of us eastern europeans hate on gypsies just because we like hating shit? [/QUOTE]
uh yes?
it's pretty common for us humans to hate things.
ask people who hate my little pony, furries, apple fans, or any other random group.
the difference between them and you is this:
[B]your brand of hatred is responsible for so much evil.[/B]
name 5 recent ethnic genocides in eastern europe. I can name at least 5.
[QUOTE=thisispain;32877718]this is exactly what i'm talking about. how shitty have the UK schools become? you cannot blame gypsies for your bad writing, can you?[/QUOTE]
I also feel like I've lost track of my own line of argument here and also yours. What are we even talking about again.
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;32877748]As I said, I experienced how they are myself, live.
What one more of an example? At each wedding I've been at every time there was over 10 gypsy kids going around us asking for money or selling crosses and icons. Their mothers were just a few streets away watching them. If we told them to get the fuck out and leave us alone their mothers would immediately come and start screaming and arguing.
They are scum[/QUOTE]
That isn't a source. Plus, you seem to be a bit racially motivated here.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32877532]So you're aware that there are two groups of people referred to as "gypsies", yet made no distinction between the two?[/QUOTE]
We don't distinguish between the two over here normally because the majority of the Gypsy groups here are Irish Travelers, and everybody I know, and almost everybody they know, knows what kind of Gypsy we are talking about.
Seriously, you can research what gypsies are all you damn well want, you can look up definitions, articles and such. But that doesn't make you instantly right in the argument when the term is used differently to what your research claims.
Gypsy is not a race as far as I, and many others are concerned, it is a lifestyle, a choice. Romani and Irish are their races, not gypsy. We are not being racist by smearing gypsies with one brush of them being the usual suspects for public disturbances and theft when it is well known they are. We would be racist if we were specifically pointing out "Those damn Romani's always stealing our women and burning our crops". Just because a certain race is referred to as something in most cases does not make them that, or make that name a race. "Nigger" is not a race, yet blacks were referred to as "niggers" for the longest time. So why the fuck should this apply to gypsies?
[QUOTE=icemaz;32877749] I know it's different I'm merely stating that you're not doing it (and it's annoying me).[/QUOTE]
too bad
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;32877748]As I said, I experienced how they are myself, live.
What one more of an example? At each wedding I've been at every time there was over 10 gypsy kids going around us asking for money or selling crosses and icons. Their mothers were just a few streets away watching them. If we told them to get the fuck out and leave us alone their mothers would immediately come and start screaming and arguing.
They are scum[/QUOTE]
I will admit though, this is a tab bit over the top for this discussion (read a lot)
[QUOTE=Cone;32877773]That isn't a source. Plus, you seem to be a bit racially motivated here.[/QUOTE]
Okay, whatever, believe what you want. Just come here or any other country with lots of gypsies like Bulgaria, Hungary, Ukraine etc. I'll just stop arguing since it's useless trying to convince you people
[QUOTE=Cone;32877741]Well, the conversation is about Gypsies, so I thought I'd point out that thieves can be Gypsies because people were saying otherwise. It'd be a bit weird if I came in and said "I hate thievery" when it's a widely regarded fact that thievery sucks.[/quote]
Of course thieves can be gypsies. Thieves can be anybody.
[QUOTE=Cone;32877741]He just gave you the source. It's the only real way he's going to translate it for you, and you specifically asked for it.[/QUOTE]
He gave me a google search, the search terms are literally just "the gypsies".
[QUOTE=hexpunK;32877779]We don't distinguish between the two over here normally because the majority of the Gypsy groups here are Irish Travelers, and everybody I know, and almost everybody they know, knows what kind of Gypsy we are talking about.
Seriously, you can research what gypsies are all you damn well want, you can look up definitions, articles and such. But that doesn't make you instantly right in the argument when the term is used differently to what your research claims.
Gypsy is not a race as far as I, and many others are concerned, it is a lifestyle, a choice. Romani and Irish are their races, not gypsy. We are not being racist by smearing gypsies with one brush of them being the usual suspects for public disturbances and theft when it is well known they are. We would be racist if we were specifically pointing out "Those damn Romani's always stealing our women and burning our crops". Just because a certain race is referred to as something in most cases does not make them that, or make that name a race. "Nigger" is not a race, yet blacks were referred to as "niggers" for the longest time. So why the fuck should this apply to gypsies?[/QUOTE]
Also this man here is putting into finer words what I was trying to say.
[QUOTE=icemaz;32877764]I also feel like I've lost track of my own line of argument here and also yours. What are we even talking about again.[/QUOTE]
people who hate gypsies suck and just do it because they need to hate people.
probably to make themselves feel better or something, i don't know or care, i just don't want them to do it on this forum because i like this place and they leave their shit everywhere.
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;32877795]Okay, whatever, believe what you want. Just come here or any other country with lots of gypsies like Bulgaria, Hungary, Ukraine etc. I'll just stop arguing since it's useless trying to convince you people[/QUOTE]
Well no shit you're not going to convince anyone when you end your post with "they're scum".
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32877635]Probably the post where you say "why are we even talking about Romanis?"[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I came in here reading peoples posts talking about about Romani gypsies. They're not the kind of gypsies being affected by the Dale Farm situation, the [I]Irish Traveler[/I] Gypsies are.
Yes, the Romanis may be the traditional "gypsies" , but over here, they are both put under the general term "Gypsy"
They do [B]generally[/B] share common traits such as being somewhat theives and being an unruly lot, but unfortunately, this is true, they are. That is why not many people like them
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