Riot police raid illegal gypsy site Dale Farm - 7 arrested, many injured
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[QUOTE=thisispain;32878016]look you either end bigotry or you create it there's no in between.
this shit about gypsies creates bigotry and people need to see why that is wrong.[/QUOTE]
I think you also need to begin by realising you started out interpreting the word wrong.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32878017]No, nigger is not considered a race, but whenever anyone said nigger it was always a black person, and whenever anyone says gypsy, it's always these Irish travelers or Romani people. Like it or not, you are referring to ethnic groups.[/QUOTE]
Irish isn't an ethnicity, it's a nationality.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32878017]and whenever anyone says gypsy, it's always these Irish travelers or Romani people.[/QUOTE]
Unless of course it's a Brit who thought it would be a fantastic time not paying taxes.
Which is to say the majority of stationary "travellers".
ITT: Americans acting like they have had first hand experience with these vile scum.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32878042]You're making a convoluted semantics argument that falls apart under any form of scrutiny, if you had an ounce of rationale you'd refer to thieves as thieves and criminals as criminals.[/QUOTE]
You're still not getting it.
I don't give a fuck about your ideas on this situation what pretty much every British person in the thread has said is that you're interpreting it wrong. Why are you not accepting this?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32878057]So you want them to stop squatting and move a few meters away to squat there?[/QUOTE]
Since the place they're squatting on is illegal then yes, I do expect them to do that.
You are arguing for the sake of arguing. There is no argument here.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32878017]No, nigger is not considered a race, but whenever anyone said nigger it was always a black person, and whenever anyone says gypsy, it's always these Irish travelers or Romani people. Like it or not, you are referring to ethnic groups.[/QUOTE]
I am referring to the culture frequently partaken in by Romani people, not Romani people themselves, nor Irish travellers, as is everyone else here. Why are you not getting this?
Okay, from now on, everyone's going to refer to what we Englands call "Gypsies" as "Romani-Cultured people", just so everyone here understands each-other. I am really infuriated we've actually had to resort to this.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32878057]So you want them to stop squatting and move a few meters away to squat there?[/QUOTE]
here you go
[img]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/55482000/gif/_55482320_dale_farm_historical_624.gif[/img]
all those in the authorized area are not being evicted. You know why? Because they have planning permission for that site.
Those in the orange section, dont have planning permission and are being evicted. HOW IS THIS HARD TO GRASP!
[QUOTE=Charybdis;32877469][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Traveller[/url]
"Travellers are often referred to by the terms "gypsies",[4] "didicoy", "tinkers" or "knackers"."
It's [I]these[/I] gypsies this thread is about, not Romanis[/QUOTE]
it ain't ok to hate those people either.
like, it's not ok to hate any broad demographic because you had a bad experience with one of it's members
[QUOTE=icemaz;32878059]I think you also need to begin by realising you started out interpreting the word wrong.[/QUOTE]
no what i'm trying to say is that this race and ethnicity bullshit is irrelevant. it's just trying to create a distance to allow people to hate without feeling like a racist dickhead.
i don't care if you don't think gypsies are a race and when you say you hate gypsies you aren't hating a race i don't honestly care.
what i do care about is that stupid attitude creates a horrible society and i have to live in that shitty society.
i'm not here to debate race, i'm here to tell you people to shut up about gypsies so we can have a nice peaceful society with all of us hand in hand.
MLK didn't die just so that a bunch of angry teens can spout shit on a forum, no sir.
[QUOTE=thisispain;32878127]no what i'm trying to say is that this race and ethnicity bullshit is irrelevant. it's just trying to create a distance to allow people to hate without feeling like a racist dickhead.
i don't care if you don't think gypsies are a race and when you say you hate gypsies you aren't hating a race i don't honestly care.
what i do care about is that stupid attitude creates a horrible society and i have to live in that shitty society.
i'm not here to debate race, i'm here to tell you people to shut up about gypsies so we can have a nice peaceful society with all of us hand in hand.
MLK didn't die just so that a bunch of angry teens can spout shit on a forum, no sir.[/QUOTE]
So it's wrong to dislike an group of people even if they have done things wrong?
[QUOTE=Elfy;32878079]ITT: Americans acting like they have had first hand experience with these vile scum.[/QUOTE]
If someone in Israel was telling me that the Palestinians were 'vile scum' and that the only reason I defend them is because I didn't have first-hand experience with them, I'd tell that someone to shove off.
So, shove off.
just, like, don't hate people. just don't fucking hate people. i don't care if they're a "race" or an "ethnicity" or just a group of people wearing the same sort of clothes, just don't hate, like, whole groups of people
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[QUOTE=icemaz;32878148]So it's wrong to dislike an group of people even if they have done things wrong?[/QUOTE]
i refuse to accept the premise that gypsies, [i]as a whole[/i], can do something wrong
[QUOTE=thisispain;32878127]no what i'm trying to say is that this race and ethnicity bullshit is irrelevant. it's just trying to create a distance to allow people to hate without feeling like a racist dickhead.
i don't care if you don't think gypsies are a race and when you say you hate gypsies you aren't hating a race i don't honestly care.
what i do care about is that stupid attitude creates a horrible society and i have to live in that shitty society.
i'm not here to debate race, i'm here to tell you people to shut up about gypsies so we can have a nice peaceful society with all of us hand in hand.
MLK didn't die just so that a bunch of angry teens can spout shit on a forum, no sir.[/QUOTE]
We could have a nice peaceful society if it wasn't for the fact that many traveller cause crime, hell we had a few travellers near where I live who caused a load of fights. It's the fact that this kind of thing isn't an isolated case, it's a product of their lifestyle.
[QUOTE=thisispain;32878127]no what i'm trying to say is that this race and ethnicity bullshit is irrelevant. it's just trying to create a distance to allow people to hate without feeling like a racist dickhead.
i don't care if you don't think gypsies are a race and when you say you hate gypsies you aren't hating a race i don't honestly care.
what i do care about is that stupid attitude creates a horrible society and i have to live in that shitty society.
i'm not here to debate race, i'm here to tell you people to shut up about gypsies so we can have a nice peaceful society with all of us hand in hand.
MLK didn't die just so that a bunch of angry teens can spout shit on a forum, no sir.[/QUOTE]
But being a Gypsy (or Romani-Cultured folk god I am so pissed I actually have to call them these so you can understand) is not pre-determined like a person's skin. You can change it.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;32878166]just, like, don't hate people. just don't fucking hate people. i don't care if they're a "race" or an "ethnicity" or just a group of people wearing the same sort of clothes, just don't hate, like, whole groups of people
[editline]20th October 2011[/editline]
i refuse to accept the premise that gypsies, [i]as a whole[/i], can do something wrong[/QUOTE]
I'm not talking about travelers I'm just asking in general to Thisispain personally.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;32878166]just, like, don't hate people. just don't fucking hate people. i don't care if they're a "race" or an "ethnicity" or just a group of people wearing the same sort of clothes, just don't hate, like, whole groups of people[/QUOTE]
yes were arent hating, they are being removed since they lack planning permission for that site (see a few posts above for the darn map)
It doesnt matter if these people were white/black/traveler/optician. They are not above the law!
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;32878166]just, like, don't hate people. just don't fucking hate people. i don't care if they're a "race" or an "ethnicity" or just a group of people wearing the same sort of clothes, just don't hate, like, whole groups of people
[editline]20th October 2011[/editline]
i refuse to accept the premise that gypsies, [i]as a whole[/i], can do something wrong[/QUOTE]
Then I'm afraid you don't have much point in this debate any longer if you can't deal with reality.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;32878123]it ain't ok to hate those people either.
like, it's not ok to hate any broad demographic because you had a bad experience with one of it's members[/QUOTE]
i ain't hating on them, that would be most dumb of me, because my grandparents were genuine irish travelers
and of course it's not ok to hate any broad demographic because you had a bad experience with one of it's members
We're not hating the people, or the fact that they're travelers, we just don't like the way they think they can get away with breaking the law
[QUOTE=icemaz;32878148]So it's wrong to dislike an group of people even if they have done things wrong?[/QUOTE]
[B]YES[/B], and why?
because a group of people do not collectively do things wrong.
even if every single last jew you've ever met has stabbed you in the face and fucked you in the knee it's still wrong to go "FUCK JEWS". i'm sorry that's the reality because ultimately we didn't get to the massive jew council and decide we're gonna stab you and fuck you in your knee.
just like how all those "gypsies" didn't come together and decide to fuck your hubcaps or whatever you're all pissed off about.
hey guys, you can debate about this shit in the debate section.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32878181]We could have a nice peaceful society if it wasn't for the fact that many traveller cause crime, hell we had a few travellers near where I live who caused a load of fights. It's the fact that this kind of thing isn't an isolated case, it's a product of their lifestyle.[/QUOTE]
lol just like 2 pages ago cone or icemaz was posting about how "we just use the term 'gypsy' to refer to the ones who steal. but we call the entire group 'travelers' and we don't hate them"
welp.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32878181]We could have a nice peaceful society if it wasn't for the fact that many traveller cause crime, hell we had a few travellers near where I live who caused a load of fights. It's the fact that this kind of thing isn't an isolated case, it's a product of their lifestyle.[/QUOTE]
right blame everyone else except yourself...
sorry carcarcargo i can't change them on the internet, the best i can do is try to get things clear to anyone who bothers to read.
also this is good brain material for my college class. that's right, you're all just helping me with my homework.
[QUOTE=thisispain;32877859]you don't distinguish because people in england don't know what the fuck they are talking about when they call things gypsies. it's a sad fact yes but i blame the schools. gypsies are not irish travelers, they have different cultures, different blood, and different languages.
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That's because the schools don't teach about them, the only time my school mentioned them was in a special assembly, specifically telling us to stay away from them and to call the police if we experience trouble with them as they were camping near by
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;32878219]lol just like 2 pages ago cone or icemaz was posting about how "we just use the term 'gypsy' to refer to the ones who steal. but we call the entire group 'travelers' and we don't hate them"
welp.[/QUOTE]
It's the travellers who are the problem not the Romani ethnicity. I know for a fact that many people of Romani ethnicity live in houses and have proper jobs. What I'm attacking is the traveller lifestyle, that is what I don't like.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;32878219]lol just like 2 pages ago cone or icemaz was posting about how "we just use the term 'gypsy' to refer to the ones who steal. but we call the entire group 'travelers' and we don't hate them"
welp.[/QUOTE]
Because I support everyone who has a vaguely similar argument to mine, which is why I said that guy was racist a few pages back.
Yup, I totally agree!
[QUOTE=thisispain;32878214][B]YES[/B], and why?
because a group of people do not collectively do things wrong.
even if every single last jew you've ever met has stabbed you in the face and fucked you in the knee it's still wrong to go "FUCK JEWS". i'm sorry that's the reality because ultimately we didn't get to the massive jew council and decide we're gonna stab you and fuck you in your knee.
just like how all those "gypsies" didn't come together and decide to fuck your hubcaps or whatever you're all pissed off about.[/QUOTE]
Alright no yeah I just wanted to know you're opinion. I agree with you on that, but I think you also have to realise that some people out there can justifiably dislike a group of people. I know in you're eyes they are wrong etc but what if that person had suffered such a bad experience with a particular group, that they had come within an inch of their lives (I'm getting sidetracked here, if we're going to be arguing for the sake of arguing I feel like a conversation should help cool things down)
[QUOTE=matt.ant;32878261]That's because the schools don't teach about them, the only time my school mentioned them was in a special assembly, specifically telling us to stay away from them and to call the police if we experience trouble with them as they were camping near by[/QUOTE]
that's bloody awful.
[QUOTE=Cone;32878273]Because I support everyone who has a vaguely similar argument to mine, which is why I said that guy was racist a few pages back.
Yup, I totally agree![/QUOTE]
genuine apology, i confused you with some other dude
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