Riot police raid illegal gypsy site Dale Farm - 7 arrested, many injured
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[QUOTE=Stopper;32860026]So what the fuck do we do then? If something is done about it, it's racism. If nothing's done about it, it's illegal.
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Difference is that you are the ones that started living in their lands. Here, it's the other way around.[/QUOTE]
Removing them is [b]not[/b] racist.
The actual abuse of them due to the fact that they are gypsies [b]is[/b] racist.
[QUOTE=Bilsta1000;32860001]Lol at terminutter agreeing with every post zeke made.[/QUOTE]
Probably because I agree, like the other seem to think that his points are dumb?
[QUOTE=Stopper;32860026]
Difference is that you are the ones that started living in their lands. Here, it's the other way around.[/QUOTE]
In contemporary history everyone forgets that and thinks that aboriginal people should stay on their reserves, so when they don't people feel that they're intruding and it elicits the same reaction.
It's practically the same
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860057]It stops being only THEIR opinion when they start spewing it around in public.
I feel morally obligated to call out racists[/QUOTE]
How the fuck does it stop being their opinion. I like green. Is it no longer my opinion?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860085]In contemporary history everyone forgets that and thinks that aboriginal people should stay on their reserves, so when they don't people feel that they're intruding and it elicits the same reaction.
It's practically the same[/QUOTE]
It is?
Do the aboriginals not pay taxes? Do they take up residence illegally in the fields of hard working farmers? Do they fight for their "rights to stay in their homes" (which are illegally placed on property which does not belong to them) by attacking anyone who dares to call them out on it, or the police when they try to remove them?
I seriously doubt they do.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860085]In contemporary history everyone forgets that and thinks that aboriginal people should stay on their reserves, so when they don't people feel that they're intruding and it elicits the same reaction.
It's practically the same[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but in practice it isn't - Gypsies never had a country (or at least it wasn't around here somewhere).
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860085]In contemporary history everyone forgets that and thinks that aboriginal people should stay on their reserves, so when they don't people feel that they're intruding and it elicits the same reaction.
It's practically the same[/QUOTE]
Are you an idiot (again). They don't own the land they live on and if they live in this country then they should abide by our laws. They weren't here "Before us" (in b4 you call me out for making a racist remark i'm just merely contrasting it to your piss poor example) and if they want to continue living here perhaps it wouldn't hurt for them to at least try and cause a fuss when the laws been trying to get them to move for several months.
[QUOTE=Terminutter;32860069]Removing them is [b]not[/b] racist.
The actual abuse of them due to the fact that they are gypsies [b]is[/b] racist.
Probably because I agree, like the other seem to think that his points are dumb?[/QUOTE]
Where did you see that abuse you're talking about?
[QUOTE=Stopper;32860091]How the fuck does it stop being their opinion. I like green. Is it no longer my opinion?[/QUOTE]
It's your opinion, but it's been presented to me and I now have a right to argue it if I want.
But I won't because I like green.
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[QUOTE=icemaz;32860110]Are you an idiot (again). They don't own the land they live on and if they live in this country then they should abide by our laws. They weren't here "Before us" (in b4 you call me out for making a racist remark i'm just merely contrasting it to your piss poor example) and if they want to continue living here perhaps it wouldn't hurt for them to at least try and cause a fuss when the laws been trying to get them to move for several months.[/QUOTE]
Well where are they supposed to go? They'll face the same persecution anywhere in Europe.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860010]I live in a country where these same arguments are used against Aboriginal people on a daily basis.
"They aren't assimilating"
"They ruin communities"
"They're dirty"
"They steal"
"Can't they just be more like us?"
"We don't hate their race, just their CULTURE!"
It's fucking disgusting. So don't you dare say I don't understand what's going on here.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand, Zeke
They're a cultural group who choose to set up camp on other people's property who are well known for being thieves and criminals, but because most gypsies are descendants of a single ethnic group (Despite how much race mixing has no doubt taken place) you have no choice but to be accepting of the crime they commit, otherwise you're being a racist?
That's like saying you can't uproot a hobo village of black people because if you enforce the law on a minority, you're committing racism
Zeke picking things apart and making a bigger deal than things actually are ITT
[QUOTE=Stopper;32860115]Where did you see that abuse you're talking about?[/QUOTE]
The whole stereotype is that all gypsies are theives, scoundrels, cowboys and liars. Look at some of the posts on the first page - there's a high proportion of "I hate gypsies", "I don't trust them as they're liars" and the general public echoes it.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860122]It's your opinion, but it's been presented to me and I now have a right to argue it if I want.
But I won't because I like green.
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Well where are they supposed to go? They'll face the same persecution anywhere in Europe.[/QUOTE]
Then don't say it stops being my opinion.
They can go anywhere they like [B][U]AS LONG AS THEY OBEY THE LAWS OF THE COUNTRY[/U][/B]. I can't stress the last part enough.
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[QUOTE=Terminutter;32860139]The whole stereotype is that all gypsies are theives, scoundrels, cowboys and liars. Look at some of the posts on the first page - there's a high proportion of "I hate gypsies", "I don't trust them as they're liars" and the general public echoes it.[/QUOTE]
This isn't part of this argument.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860122]
Well where are they supposed to go? They'll face the same persecution anywhere in Europe.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying they should fuck off to another country, I'm saying they should go through proper means of getting land instead of being like this and causing a fuss. Clearly if they owned all the land they used then I would be heavily against them being evicted but they didn't and then they started breaking the law some more. If they want to live in this country they should be treated as equally as me.
what the fuck are you even doing Zeke?, you know nothing of the situation at hand, and continue to point out these people are subject to racism.
its not, its a mass squatting of property, and they return with violence towards the police and Anarchists who claim to be protestors drive from all over the country to "fight the system", not giving a fuck about the fact these people don't belong or are even allowed on that land, they just want to throw shit and act like assholes.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860057]It stops being only THEIR opinion when they start spewing it around in public.
I feel morally obligated to call out racists[/QUOTE]
You realise that half of these gypsies probably have lost their roman/irish blood generations ago? Oh wait anything bad said about english/american/welsh or indians is racist because i have traces of those nationalities in my blood
[QUOTE=XanaToast.;32860151]what the fuck are you even doing Zeke?, you know nothing of the situation at hand, and continue to point out these people are subject to racism.
its not, its a mass squatting of property, and they return with violence towards the police and Anarchists who claim to be protestors drive from all over the country to "fight the system", not giving a fuck about the fact these people don't belong or are even allowed on that land, they just want to throw shit and act like assholes.[/QUOTE]
Careful he'll call you a racist even if you aren't.
The fuck are you doing Zeke??
I thought you were cool.
And not someone looking for a fight with the [I]racism card[/I] as excuse.
Romanian people are the bomb.
Caucasian tax evaders are some of the worst fucking people I've ever met.
[QUOTE=Gareth;32860159]You realise that half of these gypsies probably have lost their roman/irish blood generations ago? Oh wait anything bad said about english/american/welsh or indians is racist because i have traces of those nationalities in my blood[/QUOTE]
Technically, it is.
[QUOTE=Stopper;32860143]They can go anywhere they like [B][U]AS LONG AS THEY OBEY THE LAWS OF THE COUNTRY[/U][/B]. I can't stress the last part enough.
This isn't part of this argument.[/QUOTE]
That was my point exactly - if they obey the laws, they should recieve no negative stereotype.
[QUOTE=Terminutter;32860186]
That was my point exactly - if they obey the laws, they should recieve no negative stereotype.[/QUOTE]
but as this article should highlight some of them don't which as I am sure you're aware gives them all a bad press.
[QUOTE=Terminutter;32860186]Technically, it is.
That was my point exactly - if they obey the laws, they should recieve no negative stereotype.[/QUOTE]
But they don't.
[editline]19th October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;32860181]Romanian people are the bomb.
Caucasian tax evaders are some of the worst fucking people I've ever met.[/QUOTE]
There's a fine line between Roma, Roman and Romanian.
[QUOTE=icemaz;32860149]I'm not saying they should fuck off to another country, I'm saying they should go through proper means of getting land instead of being like this and causing a fuss. Clearly if they owned all the land they used then I would be heavily against them being evicted but they didn't and then they started breaking the law some more. If they want to live in this country they should be treated as equally as me.[/QUOTE]
Uhh
They DID own this land
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Farm[/url]
woah did you guys really not know this
no wonder you aren't getting why I'm pissed off
Only half of it
Also there's nowhere on the Irish travelers Wiki article that says they're a race, only an ethnicity
I honestly don't even understand the racism argument here either
They didn't swoop in and attack them because they have traces of Romanian blood, they did it because they're breaking the law and they refuse to stop on their own accord
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860214]Uhh
They DID own this land
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Farm[/url]
woah did you guys really not know this
no wonder you aren't getting why I'm pissed off[/QUOTE]
uhm what are you on about, seriously
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just stop
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860214]Uhh
They DID own this land
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Farm[/url]
woah did you guys really not know this
no wonder you aren't getting why I'm pissed off[/QUOTE]
Ok you are exceptionally dumb, they owned some of the land and the ones which are on the land which they owned ARE NOT BEING EVICTED. The ones which were living on the land which weren't theres ARE BEING EVICTED. Now seriously shut up
[QUOTE=Charybdis;32860228]Only half of it[/QUOTE]
No, they owned it all, they just weren't supposed to build on one half because of anti-urbanization policies
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860214]Uhh
They DID own this land
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Farm[/url]
woah did you guys really not know this
no wonder you aren't getting why I'm pissed off[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860214]Uhh
They DID own this land
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Farm[/url]
woah did you guys really not know this
no wonder you aren't getting why I'm pissed off[/QUOTE]
The people that were evicted were evicted from a "disputed" area that the gypsies had taken without legal process
Stop cherry picking
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860214]Uhh
They DID own this land
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Farm[/url]
woah did you guys really not know this
no wonder you aren't getting why I'm pissed off[/QUOTE]
Then they should've gotten a building permit (or however its called there). Point still stands.
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