Riot police raid illegal gypsy site Dale Farm - 7 arrested, many injured
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860477]It's their home. Exceptions have been granted for non-gypsy communities for decades. What was different here?[/QUOTE]
Because the council was being pushed at from the people as well - and pretty heftily. Exactly why we don't know. But I wouldn't be surprised if there was an increase of crime in this decade in the area as well as some other long term issues caused by the situation.
Those are very different cases.
[url]http://www.basildon.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=4022[/url]
This case has been going on since 2001.
Also has a set of answers
[url]http://www.basildon.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=3976[/url]
[url]http://www.basildon.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=3976&faqdetailid=4008&inplace=true[/url]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32859646]It has long been established that gypsy is a race. Go read the wikipedia article on this.
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Nobody gives a fuck what they want to be / are meant to be called, they're smelly scum that should be shipped out the country. Every day where I work they come in and try stealing clothes even though they're banned.
Oh, and yes - Gypsies can be banned, it isn't racist.
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Hey Zeke, did you know that Gypsies are generally Caucasian. They aren't a race, they're a classification of a way of life.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;32860491]Because the council was being pushed at from the people as well - and pretty heftily. Exactly why we don't know. But I wouldn't be surprised if there was an increase of crime in this decade in the area as well as some other long term issues caused by the situation.
Those are very different cases.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, people don't want gypsies in their back yard so the council folded. Thank you for backing up what I've been saying.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860477]It's their home. Exceptions have been granted for non-gypsy communities for decades. What was different here?[/QUOTE]
What and do you think that if a load of Londoners in caravans showed up and set up a camp on illegal land they'd have been made an exception? The fact is the council in that area does not want a massive caravan site in their area (likely because it's bad for housing prices) they shouldn't have been there.
[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;32860496]Hey Zeke, did you know that Gypsies are generally Caucasian. They aren't a race, they're a classification of a way of life.[/QUOTE]
Gypsies are descendants of Romani people
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860477]It's their home. Exceptions have been granted for non-gypsy communities for decades. What was different here?[/QUOTE]
As far as the law is concerned, half of that site was [B]NOT THEIR HOME[/B]. They do not pay to live in that "home", they do not pay the government any taxes, and then they attack law enforcement when they come to do their jobs, and you are telling us that the government should give them the same civil liberties as people who do none of the above?
Are you smoking something?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860484]I'm not retreating at all. And yes, I'm saying their race could have played a part in why they were evicted.
When you have 75,000 houses being granted exception but not less than 100 caravans, you have to look at some possible ulterior motives for it.[/QUOTE]
Or you know... Because they have already made their houses despite being denied.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860441]Here's what I'm wondering - why couldn't this camp be given an exception to Greenbelt policies? That would have allowed them to stay.
[url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/greenpolitics/planning/8699775/75000-homes-to-be-built-on-Englands-Green-Belt.html]Here's a recent case of a non-gypsy community that was granted an exception[/url].
75,000 homes granted an exception.
Surely a small gypsy camp could have been extended the same liberties.[/QUOTE]
Keep peddling, you'll work your way out of all these failed arguments eventually
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860506]Yeah, people don't want gypsies in their back yard so the council folded. Thank you for backing up what I've been saying.[/QUOTE]
People don't want [I]people[/I] in their backyard. Stop twisting.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860512]Gypsies are descendants of Romani people[/QUOTE]
Then you could say they are either Caucasian or Asian. That is their race, not "gypsy".
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No matter how you twist it, disliking gypsies is not racist. It is a dislike of their lifestyle, not of their race and therefore does not fulfil the classifications of being racist.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;32860529]Keep peddling, you'll work your way out of all these failed arguments eventually[/QUOTE]
An argument isn't failed because most people disagree with it, you know.
You're doing [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum]this[/url] right now.
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[QUOTE=Stopper;32860535]People don't want [I]people[/I] in their backyard. Stop twisting.[/QUOTE]
Who's backyard were they in, exactly?
Nobody's.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860512]Gypsies are descendants of Romani people[/QUOTE]
I'm descended from the french that doesn't make me french
It should also be noted that the government would gain from those 75,000 houses in sales, the government gains nothing from this campsite which is why it hasn't been made an exception.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860547]An argument isn't failed because most people disagree with it, you know.
You're doing [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum]this[/url] right now.
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Who's backyard were they in, exactly?
Nobody's.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it isn't. But it is when it's proven wrong and left undefended.
So you're denying your words?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860512]Gypsies are descendants of Romani people[/QUOTE]
And I'm a descendant of the Irish and the Swedish and the Dutch and the Austrian
God your application of the race card is so paper thin I'm surprised you haven't gotten cut handling it for this long
How is this racist?
People hate them for being thieves, not for having a strain of Romani blood in their veins.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32860559]I'm descended from the french that doesn't make me french[/QUOTE]
French is a NATIONALITY
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people[/url]
read that
[QUOTE=Kopimi;32860574]And I'm a descendant of the Irish and the Swedish and the Dutch and the Austrian
God your application of the race card is so paper thin I'm surprised you haven't gotten cut handling it for this long
How is this racist?
People hate them for being thieves, not for having a strain of Romani blood in their veins.[/QUOTE]
Maybe thieves are a race?
[QUOTE=Kopimi;32860574]
People hate them for being thieves[/QUOTE]
same reason people hate the blacks right
you realize not all races need to be a different colour
This is why I Don't see all this as racism.
What everyone says:
I hate Gypsies.
What Zeke129 thinks they mean:
I hate Romani People.
What they actually mean:
I hate people that refuse to pay the required taxes in a community, refuse to live in areas in which it is legal to reside, and have a legal profession instead of steal to make money.
Its O.K. to be a Gypsy, its not O.K. to be an asshole.
There are Gypsies people don't hate I'm sure, why do we not hate them? Probably because they live productive lives and conform to the Law.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860588]French is a NATIONALITY
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people[/url]
read that[/QUOTE]
They're an ethnicity not a race, much like the Jewish.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860594]same reason people hate the blacks right
you realize not all races need to be a different colour[/QUOTE]
Are you seriously trying to pull this shit?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860588]French is a NATIONALITY
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people[/url]
read that[/QUOTE]
and you demonstrate that you have no understanding of what the word "nationality" means
hint hint it's got nothing to do with lines on a map
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860512]Gypsies are descendants of Romani people[/QUOTE]
Okay but they look nothing like Northen Indians, I have never actually seen gypsies here looking genetically the same, they are all white with Irish descent.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860594]same reason people hate the blacks right[/QUOTE]
So I'm supposed to ignore the fact that every time I've seen or heard about gypsies, they've been law breakers and thieves, all because they're a little bit Romani?
Sorry, I don't consider gypsy a race. There's tons of racial mixing and at this point they're little more than a bad culture.
[quote]The Romani, who are known collectively in the Romani language as Romane or Rromane (depending on the dialect concerned) and also as Romany, Romanies, Romanis, Roma or Roms, are an [B]ethnic group[/B] living mostly in Europe[/quote]
[quote]An ethnic group (or ethnicity) is a group of people whose members identify with each other, through a common heritage, often consisting of a common language, a common culture (often including a shared religion) and/or an ideology that stresses common ancestry or endogamy.[/quote]
[QUOTE=NecroTitan;32860600]This is why I Don't see all this as racism.
What everyone says:
I hate Gypsies.
What Zeke129 thinks they mean:
I hate Romani People.
What they actually mean:
I hate people that refuse to pay the required taxes in a community, refuse to live in areas in which it is legal to reside, and have a legal profession instead of steal to make money.
Its O.K. to be a Gypsy, its not O.K. to be an asshole.[/QUOTE]
I knew it, they aren't even a race
What's your next horrible argument, Zeke
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32860602]They're an ethnicity not a race, much like the Jewish.[/QUOTE]
Holy shit
Semite is a race as well
I think now that it has been proven that hating gypsies isn't racism and is instead prejudice, we should get an explanation why peple have been banned for racism.
[QUOTE=NecroTitan;32860600]This is why I Don't see all this as racism.
What everyone says:
I hate Gypsies.
What Zeke129 thinks they mean:
I hate Romani People.
What they actually mean:
I hate people that refuse to pay the required taxes in a community, refuse to live in areas in which it is legal to reside, and have a legal profession instead of steal to make money.
Its O.K. to be a Gypsy, its not O.K. to be an asshole.
There are Gypsies people don't hate I'm sure, why do we not hate them? Probably because they live productive lives and conform to the Law.[/QUOTE]
If people meant that they would say it, not "I hate gypsies they're scum".
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