• GOG believes DRM drives gamers to piracy
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[QUOTE=Best4bond;29125029]I think another thing that influences pirating is the Community and how close the developers are with them. Valve is a good example, The devs stay close to the community and in return, The community grows and makes you miss out on the chance to get involved with the community... While say, EA, They make a game then act like they just flushed a shit down the toilet, People buy the game and find bugs and glitches that will take years before they release a patch and just bad overall storyline and play, Nobody really wants to be in a community like that, Making more see a reason to pirate from them as they are not missing out on anything.[/QUOTE] I agree. Valve also works so hard to always update their games and provide so much space for the community to make their games better. I mean Team Fortress 2 must update every 3 weeks an their marketing strategies are amazing (the indie potato sack and Portal 2). Another point I want to make is that for me even though Valve has grown to be larger it still feels like a small group of great devs that you know and understand. Companies like EA and Activison are just far to big to have this kind of friendly relationship feeling.
DRM will never stop people who REALLY don't want to pay for a game. But some times just having to apply a crack is enough to stop a lot of people. If I am to believe people in this thread pirating something is less of a hassle then buying something which means that if DRM makes it seem like more of a hassle to pirate something it will scare away a lot of casual pirates from actually downloading a game illegally. This has been [URL="http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=17350"]tried[/URL] by a company who tried to make the DRM as much of a hassle to circumvent by always updating it, it made their sales numbers go up by 30-70% each time just by trying to make the most popular cracks obsolete. Aside from preventing day 0 piracy DRM won't stop anything other then casual pirates, which might be the goal of DRM anyway.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;29131705]Agree with this alot. These days games become shorter and shittier. But that's mainly the mainstream games like cod and moh and homefront and all that shit.[/QUOTE] it's really not true. games are not becoming shorter. Some games are, and always have been short. But games in and of themselves, are not getting shorter. Crysis 2, 12 hour single player. Bulletstorm, 10 hour single player. Many games these days are all well over the 10 hour mark and well into the 30 hour mark. It's really ridiculous to assume because some maintsream games are pulling out short as hell single player games when they're a multiplayer focus anyways, are making all games shorter. Please, don't even try and argue that shit, I can't even name how many games I own from this year, last year, and the year before, all making it to the "As long as you make it" barrier.
[QUOTE=Stopper;29131435]I don't know about you guys, but if games hadn't turned to absolute shit in the last few years, people wouldn't pirate them so much. I'm ready to give 100$ for a game that I know will entertain me for more than 10 hours. I'll give you an example: Dragon Age: Origins and Modern Warfare 2 Both were released in November 2009. Origins costs 50$, MW2 - 60$. I have played Dragon Age: Origins for almost 90 hours. Modern Warfare 2 - barely 7 hours. See where I'm going?[/QUOTE] Well I see that you are comparing a multiplayer focused game to a singleplayer only RPG.
GOG only said this for marketing purposes. All the "discontent" gamers will now go "oh wow, GOG is pretty cool for saying this!" and bam, you have some new potential customers.
[QUOTE=clanratc;29137083]Well I see that you are comparing a multiplayer focused game to a singleplayer only RPG.[/QUOTE] What if the multiplayer aspect of said game was a mediocre snore fest infested with screaming 12 year olds? That kills the fun mighty quickly.
Personally, I've never had any issues with DRM. [editline]what[/editline] Nerts how can you disagree with "Personally,"?
[img]http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6505/stealthiscomic.png[/img] Relevant.
A company that understands and Earthworm Jim for 5$? I'm sold, GOG.
[QUOTE=BlkDucky;29139319][img_thumb]http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6505/stealthiscomic.png[/img_thumb] Relevant.[/QUOTE] I have to admit that seems like complete bullshit to me. If you burn your itunes to a disk the DRM goes anyway, and my dad is forever reformatting his computer and recovering all his songs with no problems. He even did it when he was trying out Linux once. The reason we have 'DRM locked' media is because of pirates pirating. The sad thing is that piracy has obviously gotten so bad that companies are being forced to lower their user's experience in a hope to make pirates stop. It's a bit like with the xbox and how microsoft banned everybody who had a modded console. They later said that roughly 5% of all xboxes on xbox live were modded. That shows that piracy is a massive issue, and with the PC it's no different. The reason PCs probably get shitty ports and low effort games alot of the time is probably something to do with the fact that everybody just pirates everything on the PC. To me, it seems that pirates use the DRM excuse to make themselves feel better about pirating, and all that happens is the occasional (I have never had any DRM problems with any of the games I often hear people complaining about) customer gets upset because of the DRM anyway.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;29126852]While I am sure bad DRM has forced people to pirate games, I still think one of the leading reasons of game piracy is just people wanting free stuff.[/QUOTE] The primary reason for game piracy is people who can't afford the games, especially so in developing countries.
What drives me to piracy? The inability to purchase old classics on the internet in digital distributed format. Like Rise of Nations.
[QUOTE=Loen;29144895]The primary reason for game piracy is people who can't afford the games, especially so in developing countries.[/QUOTE] Sucks to be them. Games aren't food, you can survive without them.
Steam is the only good DRM, apart from the fact that you need internet.
Some DRM really helps against piracy, like the way Steam handles it. Most doesn't. [editline]13th April 2011[/editline] Ninjad
I spend my money on things that are worth spending on. Let's take 2010 for example. I bought SMB, I bought red dead redemption and quite a few other games. Now I'm buying Portal 2, and I just bought 13 indie games. And in May i'll probably buy LA: noire. But games like Mafia 2, Medal of Honor, of which I was unsure if it was worth my money (for good reason it turns out), I pirate it. Just like I pirate a movie that isn't worth my 20 bucks or a cinema ticket. It might be wrong, it might be stealing. But I don't feel bad not paying for content that isn't worth my money, and usually not even my time. It usually ends up being deleted within 24 hours. You might say I shouldn't be playing them at all, but I'm still curious. And since I won't be buying it anyway, I don't see any harm. EDIT: I did buy Mafia 2 at the steam sale, since the price is reasonable and I did got some enjoyment out of it.
[QUOTE=Hotespresso;29146005]I spend my money on things that are worth spending on. Let's take 2010 for example. I bought SMB, I bought red dead redemption and quite a few other games. Now I'm buying Portal 2, and I just bought 13 indie games. And in May i'll probably buy LA: noire. But games like Mafia 2, Medal of Honor, of which I was unsure if it was worth my money (for good reason it turns out), I pirate it. Just like I pirate a movie that isn't worth my 20 bucks or a cinema ticket. It might be wrong, it might be stealing. But I don't feel bad not paying for content that isn't worth my money, and usually not even my time. It usually ends up being deleted within 24 hours. You might say I shouldn't be playing them at all, but I'm still curious. And since I won't be buying it anyway, I don't see any harm. EDIT: I did buy Mafia 2 at the steam sale, since the price is reasonable and I did got some enjoyment out of it.[/QUOTE] it's not stealing, it's sharing ;)
[QUOTE=ChaosUnleash;29144849] The reason PCs probably get shitty ports and low effort games alot of the time is probably something to do with the fact that everybody just pirates everything on the PC. To me, it seems that pirates use the DRM excuse to make themselves feel better about pirating, and all that happens is the occasional (I have never had any DRM problems with any of the games I often hear people complaining about) customer gets upset because of the DRM anyway.[/QUOTE] Argument invalidated by extreme generalization. Ignorance exposed and killed.
[QUOTE=Matthew1;29146468]it's not stealing, it's sharing ;)[/QUOTE] No it's copyright infringement, different from both stealing and sharing.
[QUOTE=ChaosUnleash;29144849] To me, it seems that pirates use the DRM excuse to make themselves feel better about pirating, and all that happens is the occasional (I have never had any DRM problems with any of the games I often hear people complaining about) customer gets upset because of the DRM anyway.[/QUOTE] Congratulations, that must be one of the worst generalizations I've ever seen.
I don't know about piracy but I know I refuse to buy games that have DRM. Period. I don't care if I've been waiting for the title for years.
[QUOTE=GodKing;29147312]I don't know about piracy but I know I refuse to buy games that have DRM. Period. I don't care if I've been waiting for the title for years.[/QUOTE] That's just stupid. P.S. Steam is technically DRM so no Episode 3 for you!
[QUOTE=ChaosUnleash;29144849]I have to admit that seems like complete bullshit to me. If you burn your itunes to a disk the DRM goes anyway, and my dad is forever reformatting his computer and recovering all his songs with no problems. He even did it when he was trying out Linux once. The reason we have 'DRM locked' media is because of pirates pirating. The sad thing is that piracy has obviously gotten so bad that companies are being forced to lower their user's experience in a hope to make pirates stop. It's a bit like with the xbox and how microsoft banned everybody who had a modded console. They later said that roughly 5% of all xboxes on xbox live were modded. That shows that piracy is a massive issue, and with the PC it's no different. The reason PCs probably get shitty ports and low effort games alot of the time is probably something to do with the fact that everybody just pirates everything on the PC. To me, it seems that pirates use the DRM excuse to make themselves feel better about pirating, and all that happens is the occasional (I have never had any DRM problems with any of the games I often hear people complaining about) customer gets upset because of the DRM anyway.[/QUOTE] That comic was made in October 2008. iTunes had their DRM removed in January 2009, apparently.
[QUOTE=Explosions;29147324]That's just stupid. P.S. Steam is technically DRM so no Episode 3 for you![/QUOTE] He meant bad drm I think.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;29149387]He meant bad drm I think.[/QUOTE] I dunno, he sounded pretty resolute. [quote]I refuse to buy games that have DRM. Period.[/quote]
[QUOTE=faillord adam;29145720]Steam is the only good DRM, apart from the fact that you need internet.[/QUOTE] [img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5733962/steamofflinemode.png[/img] Admittedly you have to be online to turn offline mode off but it's a start
Take a look at Mojang's Minecraft. they completely don't have any DRM and they don't care about their games being pirated becuase they know they still MAKE MONEY. If we all learn to ignore the pirated copies and focus on the legitimate games sold, we would solve piracy problems. Pirates are cheapskates. Leave them alone. I once say this and I will say it again. If you can get $1 out of the $10 you lost, you still earn something
[QUOTE=BCell;29150207] If you can get $1 out of the $10 you lost, you still earn something[/QUOTE] In real world that will cause you to go bankrupt.
[QUOTE=BCell;29150207]Take a look at Mojang's Minecraft. they completely don't have any DRM and they don't care about their games being pirated becuase they know they still MAKE MONEY. If we all learn to ignore the pirated copies and focus on the legitimate games sold, we would solve piracy problems. Pirates are cheapskates. Leave them alone. I once say this and I will say it again. If you can get $1 out of the $10 you lost, you still earn something[/QUOTE] So having to associate a game with an account isn't DRM?
Yup. Spot on. I hated it when EA put that bullshit '3 installs per purchase' on Spore when it released. Fucking bastards.
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