FBI officially closes Clinton email investigation - she was "reckless" but will face no charges - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;50650456]Cool so anybody else can get their careers ruined or go to jail for far less but because she has influence she gets away with no charges.[/QUOTE] America c:

[QUOTE=.Isak.;50650905]Because I'd rather have someone too negligent to handle emails properly as president than someone who wants to murder the children of terrorists. It's not too hard to understand.[/QUOTE] Of course [I]that's[/I] what it's about, thanks for showing your true colors there

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;50652323]the two party system is a fucking logical consequence of the election system, and no matter how many times people repeat "well if people just believed" it will never fucking change Life isn't a fucking fairy tale. The power of faith doesn't make objectively bad strategies good. Voting for third party candidates will only ever increase the chances of the candidate you least agree with winning. That is just the fucking fact of the matter.[/QUOTE] yes but now you are the point where both a and b are so shit that it doesn't matter if you vote 3rd party you may think trump is just as bad or worse as hilary but she is equally shit.

[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;50653547]yes but now you are the point where both a and b are so shit that it doesn't matter if you vote 3rd party you may think trump is just as bad or worse as hilary but she is equally shit.[/QUOTE] not even fucking close

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;50653562]not even fucking close[/QUOTE] I don't see how Trump is anywhere near as bad as Clinton, even excluding the email scandal If Trump is an "awful person" then what's Hillary? Oh she's just a saint who happens to be corrupt and also happens to say anything that'll get her elected and accidentally purposely disregarded national security in very grave manners, poor woman No matter how I look at it, people thinking Hillary is somehow a better alternative to Trump just strike me as "Oh no we can't let the [I]right[/I] win! That'd just be awful!" people

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;50653596]I don't see how Trump is anywhere near as bad as Clinton, even excluding the email scandal If Trump is an "awful person" then what's Hillary? Oh she's just a saint who happens to be corrupt and also happens to say anything that'll get her elected and accidentally purposely disregarded national security in very grave manners, poor woman No matter how I look at it, people thinking Hillary is somehow a better alternative to Trump just strike me as "Oh no we can't let the [I]right[/I] win! That'd just be awful!" people[/QUOTE] Well Hillary never advocated murdering the families of terrorists or building a fucking [b]wall[/b] as a core tenant of her platform. [editline]6th July 2016[/editline] Not to mention Trump is an absolutely embarrassing human being, a buffoon, a clown, whatever you want to call him. At least Hillary is experienced with government and knows what she's doing.

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;50653596]I don't see how Trump is anywhere near as bad as Clinton, even excluding the email scandal If Trump is an "awful person" then what's Hillary? Oh she's just a saint who happens to be corrupt and also happens to say anything that'll get her elected and accidentally purposely disregarded national security in very grave manners, poor woman No matter how I look at it, people thinking Hillary is somehow a better alternative to Trump just strike me as "Oh no we can't let the [I]right[/I] win! That'd just be awful!" people[/QUOTE] It's not an issue of who is [i]objectively[/i] worse. You can't determine that. It's an issue of who [i]subjectively[/i] represents your views best - which will obviously be a partisan topic. Even if Trump and Hillary were [i]equally[/i] incompetent in every way, I'd vote Hillary, because she still represents my views far more than Trump does. In the same vein, I tend to think that both Trump and Hillary engage in political behaviors that I dislike, but I overall tend to think that Trump engages in worse ones than Hillary. But it's all subjective - I could say that Hillary not being charged in the email case makes her election bid stronger, and others would say that Hillary not being charged in the email case means that the government is corrupt and so we need to vote for Trump. It's not an objective "Trump is worse than Hillary" thing.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50653639]Well Hillary never advocated murdering the families of terrorists or building a fucking [b]wall[/b] as a core tenant of her platform. [editline]6th July 2016[/editline] Not to mention Trump is an absolutely embarrassing human being, a buffoon, a clown, whatever you want to call him. At least Hillary is experienced with government and [B]knows what she's doing.[/B][/QUOTE] Clearly

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50653639]building a fucking [b]wall[/b] as a core tenant of her platform. [/QUOTE] Why do you guys give so much shit to the idea of half-decent border security? Israel has two walls, and they've reduced illegal immigration attempts by 99.6%, if I recall correctly. Having an actual border rather than a pretend one is a fantastic idea, and might actually be one of Trump's best ideas.

[QUOTE=Monkah;50653720]Why do you guys give so much shit to the idea of half-decent border security? Israel has two walls, and they've reduced illegal immigration attempts by 99.6%, if I recall correctly. Having an actual border rather than a pretend one is a fantastic idea, and might actually be one of Trump's best ideas.[/QUOTE] Because they sell ladders taller than the wall he wants. Border security can be done better and differently than a fucking wall. Isreal is also in the middle of a war with Palestine so they can bomb 99% of its own population

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;50653596]I don't see how Trump is anywhere near as bad as Clinton, even excluding the email scandal If Trump is an "awful person" then what's Hillary? Oh she's just a saint who happens to be corrupt and also happens to say anything that'll get her elected and accidentally purposely disregarded national security in very grave manners, poor woman No matter how I look at it, people thinking Hillary is somehow a better alternative to Trump just strike me as "Oh no we can't let the [I]right[/I] win! That'd just be awful!" people[/QUOTE] Do you expect more from a country that lets cherrypicked soundbytes and twitter decide elections?

Silly Americans, laws are for poor people.

[QUOTE=Monkah;50653720]Why do you guys give so much shit to the idea of half-decent border security? Israel has two walls, and they've reduced illegal immigration attempts by 99.6%, if I recall correctly. Having an actual border rather than a pretend one is a fantastic idea, and might actually be one of Trump's best ideas.[/QUOTE] Their border control is for the sake of fighting a terrorism problem not an immigration problem.

To me, it stopped being about the corruption, the lies, and the emails a long time ago. For me, this was about proving that when you did something wrong, that'd you'd be punished for it, no matter your place in life. Harsh truth of life is the good guys don't always win. This is a disappointment.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;50653728]Because they sell ladders taller than the wall he wants. Border security can be done better and differently than a fucking wall. Isreal is also in the middle of a war with Palestine so they can bomb 99% of its own population[/QUOTE] I'm more-so referring to the wall along the Egyptian border, which was solely made for immigration purposes iirc.

[QUOTE=Monkah;50653720]Why do you guys give so much shit to the idea of half-decent border security? Israel has two walls, and they've reduced illegal immigration attempts by 99.6%, if I recall correctly. Having an actual border rather than a pretend one is a fantastic idea, and might actually be one of Trump's best ideas.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Monkah;50653930]I'm more-so referring to the wall along the Egyptian border, which was solely made for immigration purposes iirc.[/QUOTE] Israel is [I]tiny[/I], you could fit the entirety of Israel in any one of the border states as a large city. Houston alone has a greater metropolitan area two thousand square miles larger than Israel as an entire country I've already argued against the wall [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1507618&p=49814569&viewfull=1#post49814569]here[/url] and [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1507618&p=49815348&viewfull=1#post49815348]here[/url] and I think it's worth repeating myself this way

[QUOTE=Monkah;50653930]I'm more-so referring to the wall along the Egyptian border, which was solely made for immigration purposes iirc.[/QUOTE] 1,989 miles Vs 245 miles Or [t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/ISR-EGY_border_6521a.jpg[/t] Vs [t]http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/569057777-construction-workers-wearing-safety-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=I9nzuqMOk1xxl4tHtXCK4UWWkE3VO%2F3glvsu%2FPDrBHM8PrFasInAFLT9zM7R1bkx79%2F5v5a65p2ew5S8PX3hJA%3D%3D[/t]

A physical wall would be a terrible way to stop illegal immigration. It would be far better to make it impossible and/or extremely risky for employors to hire illegal immigrants. No work = very little illegal immigration.

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;50653681]Clearly[/QUOTE] Secretary of State, First Lady, Senator, and Lawyer. Yeah I'd say she's highly more experienced and qualified when it comes to Trump.

Building a shitty fence that doesn't even do the job cost 2.4 billion, I shutter to think what a proper "wall" would cost. The notion you could build an effective one along our entire border is silly. Just invest in a decent drone program to patrol the border if you're so concerned.

Wouldn't cost anything since Mexico are supposed to build it, I think? [editline]6th July 2016[/editline] Isn't that what Trump wanted?

[QUOTE=Saxon;50654617]Building a shitty fence that doesn't even do the job cost 2.4 billion, I shutter to think what a proper "wall" would cost. The notion you could build an effective one along our entire border is silly. Just invest in a decent drone program to patrol the border if you're so concerned.[/QUOTE]Drones are too expensive, just use [land] mines and make sure they're not the kind that disable themselves.

[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;50654643]Drones are too expensive, just use [land] mines and make sure they're not the kind that disable themselves.[/QUOTE] Why stop at land mines? we can use sea mines to stop those barges full of illegals from entering

You guys are missing the mark on savings, it would cost absurd amounts to plant and maintain minefields across the border, not to mention dangerous for the personnel meant to replace the mines when they go off. We just need to periodically saturate the area south of the border with lethal gas to prevent people from going near it in the first place, and we can do this safely from our own side of the border.

[QUOTE=Monkah;50653720]Why do you guys give so much shit to the idea of half-decent border security? Israel has two walls, and they've reduced illegal immigration attempts by 99.6%, if I recall correctly. Having an actual border rather than a pretend one is a fantastic idea, and might actually be one of Trump's best ideas.[/QUOTE] Building a wall that does literally nothing to solve the problem it's advertised to fix (see: "Maybe a rope"), especially when there's currently a net decline in illegal immigrants. Yea that's the worst possible way to spend 6 billion+ dollars or whatever the cost of it will be, not counting the upkeep costs which will no doubt result in an increase in taxes nobody asked for. There's so many alternative things that can be done with that kind of money that would actually benefit the states. -Improve the immigration system, resulting in more legal immigrants and less illegals just like magic -Help Mexico fight its drug cartel problem, an important part of the illegal immigration issue -Fix our decaying infrastructure -Fund gov't programs for the middle class and below -Fund our education system or call me crazy [sp]Kickstart a national healthcare system[/sp] Anything is better than a tax dollar leeching monument dedicated to xenophobia.

Walls work. You need borders [B]and [/B]you need to [B]enforce them[/B]. If you don't have borders, you don't have a country. Hungary took measures to enforce their borders and protect their people. [IMG]https://i.sli.mg/PENmG4.png[/IMG] [editline]6th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=robotnik185;50654785]Building a wall that does literally nothing to solve the problem it's advertised to fix (see: "[B]Maybe a rope[/B]"), especially when there's currently a net decline in illegal immigrants.[/QUOTE] It would take a long time to set up a ladder & rope then climb up and down. So they would get spotted and dealt with. Not to mention the risks involved. You can have a simple drone that patrols, spots intrusions, then dispatches a chopper/patrol to deal with them.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;50650838]I don't know where people are pulling the idea that the only reason she wasn't prosecuted was because she is a Clinton when Comey specifically says it's because there isn't enough evidence to prosecute her, and that while she broke state department procedures and she ordinarily would be punished administratively, there is no way to do that because she doesn't actually work for the State Department anymore.[/QUOTE] Instead she's going /to run the fucking country/. Am I the only one more scared about this then her not going to jail. She's either dumb and incompetent or willfully negligent and corrupt. WHY DO WE GABBER TERRIBLE CANDIDATES

[QUOTE=orgornot;50654820]Walls work. You need borders [B]and [/B]you need to [B]enforce them[/B]. If you don't have borders, you don't have a country. Hungary took measures to enforce their borders and protect their people. [IMG]https://i.sli.mg/PENmG4.png[/IMG] [editline]6th July 2016[/editline] It would take a long time to set up a ladder & rope then climb up and down. So they would get spotted and dealt with. Not to mention the risks involved. You can have a simple drone that patrols, spots intrusions, then dispatches a chopper/patrol to deal with them.[/QUOTE] The Hungarian border barrier is only 325 miles long, and, like the previously mentioned Israel-Egypt barrier, is not actually a wall, it's mostly just fence Do you have even the slightest notion just how small that is compared to the [I][U][B]one thousand and nine hundred eighty nine miles[/B][/U][/I] that comprise the US-Mexico border? You're looking at the better part of three days to go from one end to the other, and I've [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1507618&p=49814569&viewfull=1#post49814569]already[/url] gone [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1507618&p=49815348&viewfull=1#post49815348]over[/url] just how fucking monumental an undertaking that much border would be to secure to the extent that Trump wants to A wall to secure the US-Mexico border is a fucking pipe dream, especially with this moronic notion that you're somehow going to get the Mexican government to agree to build it and somehow pay for the whole thing

[QUOTE=Sitkero;50654917]The Hungarian border barrier is only 325 miles long, and, like the previously mentioned Israel-Egypt barrier, is not actually a wall, it's mostly just fence Do you have even the slightest notion just how small that is compared to the [I][U][B]one thousand and nine hundred eighty nine miles[/B][/U][/I] that comprise the US-Mexico border? You're looking at the better part of three days to go from one end to the other, and I've [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1507618&p=49814569&viewfull=1#post49814569"]already[/URL] gone [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1507618&p=49815348&viewfull=1#post49815348"]over[/URL] just how fucking monumental an undertaking that much border would be to secure to the extent that Trump wants to A wall to secure the US-Mexico border is a fucking pipe dream, especially with this moronic notion that you're somehow going to get the Mexican government to agree to build it and somehow pay for the whole thing[/QUOTE] Yes the border is about 2000 miles but you only need 1000 miles of wall because there are natural barriers. And Mexico can and will pay for it. Donald Trump has already laid out that plan. Here they estimate the cost for 2000 miles, but you only need 1000 miles: [video=youtube;NkSo0QQLUfE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkSo0QQLUfE[/video]

[QUOTE=orgornot;50654820] It would take a long time to set up a ladder & rope then climb up and down. So they would get spotted and dealt with. Not to mention the risks involved. You can have a simple drone that patrols, spots intrusions, then dispatches a chopper/patrol to deal with them.[/QUOTE] I'm sure you could have the wall set up to spot anyone that even tries to look in the direction of the wall, it's still not gonna solve the reasons people want to illegally cross the border in the first place. And no, Mexico isn't going to pay for it. The money will come from the citizens of The United States of America.