Holland: Refugee spokesman sends letter to mayor "Expect robbery if financial situation doesnt impro - Polidicks

[QUOTE=kweh;49315561]By that logic, he and everyone else did the same to rumbler, by shitting over his argument because he didn't present his ID, and by ignoring yet another article showing something negative about the refugees. And then you didn't contribute with nothing either, other than trying to prove me wrong. I'm just showing the ammount of denial going around these parts.[/QUOTE] WHERE. IS. THE. EVIDENCE. We are denying the fact hes a refugee worker because he has literally ZERO evidence.

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;49315557]The only evidence you guys need is to read the fucking article!! If there were no sources in OP's threads then it might be excusable that you're completely ignoring the facts on the table. But since there are, it just makes you lot an ignorant mess.[/QUOTE] it is completely valid to criticize unsupported anecdotal evidence why does it so enrage you that people criticize unsupported evidence?

[QUOTE=capital;49315436]bad news about refugees? it must be false, made up right wing propaganda, created by nazis, that's the only explanation.[/QUOTE] No, but it is an exaggeration. The title construes it as if the leader is threatening that if they don't get financial aid they're going to start robbing people, which is just flat out false. In reality he's saying that unless financial situation improves, some of the people in the camp may resort to crime to get money.

Why did you put a part of the thread title in quotes if the letter doesn't include it? It doesn't say anywhere "Expect robbery if financial situation doesn't improve". This makes it seem like a direct quote, even though it isn't. [B]Edit: [/B] I don't want to sound nitpicky, but if you really want people to take your criticism seriously, you have to be more objective with your threads.

[QUOTE=bitches;49315564]it is completely valid to criticize unsupported anecdotal evidence why does it so enrage you that people criticize unsupported evidence?[/QUOTE] Confirmation bias is a helluva drug.

[QUOTE=kweh;49315561]By that logic, he and everyone else did the same to rumbler, by shitting over his argument because he didn't present his ID, and by ignoring yet another article showing something negative about the refugees. And then you didn't contribute with nothing either, other than trying to prove me wrong. I'm just showing the ammount of denial going around these parts.[/QUOTE] asking for proof of evidence is not ad hominem i've contributed a great deal in this thread, starting off with a massive post deconstructing the article itself you are plainly wrong and you are throwing a fit that others are unsatisfied by unsubstantiated evidence

[QUOTE=bitches;49315564]it is completely valid to criticize unsupported anecdotal evidence why does it so enrage you that people criticize unsupported evidence?[/QUOTE] Are you seriously that dense??? READ THE ARTICLE [URL="http://www.gelderlander.nl/regio/nijmegen-e-o/nijmegen/wanhoopsbrief-vluchtelingen-aan-burgemeester-bruls-1.5541195"]http://www.gelderlander.nl/regio/nijmegen-e-o/nijmegen/wanhoopsbrief-vluchtelingen-aan-burgemeester-bruls-1.5541195[/URL] Oh look, evidence!!

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49315550]And here we have another ad hominem used against me by the guy accusing me of using ad hominem. Apparently hypocrisy is another one of your problems.[/QUOTE] Still better than blindly following wrong ideas trying to show everyone that I'm all good and no brains. Yes this is ad hominem. I'll spare you the post, seeing as nobody goes anywhere when you post, as usual. [editline]14th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=DiBBs27;49315577]Are you seriously that dense???[/QUOTE] AD HOMINEM! [i]*heh, that sure showed him!*[/i] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("threadshitting" - Orkel))[/highlight]

god damn i count maybe 11 posts about the actual topic in this thread and 19 instances of the word ad-hominem the fuck is happening here? if you want to argue use the fucking pm system stop shitting up threads.

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;49315577]Are you seriously that dense??? READ THE ARTICLE [URL="http://www.gelderlander.nl/regio/nijmegen-e-o/nijmegen/wanhoopsbrief-vluchtelingen-aan-burgemeester-bruls-1.5541195"]http://www.gelderlander.nl/regio/nijmegen-e-o/nijmegen/wanhoopsbrief-vluchtelingen-aan-burgemeester-bruls-1.5541195[/URL] Oh look, evidence!![/QUOTE] Now respond to bitches deconstructing that article, because it doesn't say what Rumbler wants it to say. If you cannot figure out that journalism can be slanted and misleading, you're exactly the kind of target Rumbler is looking for with these threads.

[QUOTE=kweh;49315581] AD HOMINEM! [I]*heh, that sure showed him!*[/I][/QUOTE] You literally just.. I'm done. I'm gone. Have fun arguing, it's clear this thread is going in circles at this point. (also that the guy above admitted to shitposting for some reason) He has no evidence that hes a refugee worker despite using it as an argument. The thread title is misleading. Hes going to continue spamming these threads. E T C. Stop defending this guy. [editline]a[/editline] Honestly I might just petition for rumbler's ban, he does nothing but post misleading titles and apparently incapable of posting evidence towards his claims. If you guys don't like it whatever.

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;49315577]Are you seriously that dense??? READ THE ARTICLE [URL="http://www.gelderlander.nl/regio/nijmegen-e-o/nijmegen/wanhoopsbrief-vluchtelingen-aan-burgemeester-bruls-1.5541195"]http://www.gelderlander.nl/regio/nijmegen-e-o/nijmegen/wanhoopsbrief-vluchtelingen-aan-burgemeester-bruls-1.5541195[/URL] Oh look, evidence!![/QUOTE] are [B]you[/B] that dense, to completely ignore context? i was clearly referring to anecdotal claims of volunteer work i've already responded a great deal to the article itself why don't you respond to what i'm actually saying instead of using ironic insult?

[QUOTE=bitches;49315574]asking for proof of evidence is not ad hominem i've contributed a great deal in this thread, starting off with a massive post deconstructing the article itself you are plainly wrong and you are throwing a fit that others are unsatisfied by unsubstantiated evidence[/QUOTE] Throwing a fit? No no, I'm laughing at how you passed a warm clean cloth over the article and assumed everything is wrong with the economical migrants. (because you leave your family behind when you're fleeing war, that works wonders! but what do I know, right?) Not to mention that you hounded him for ID and disregarded everything because "he probably doesn't works there" What I do wonder, is if you would still disregard everything he says and call it lies, if he were to show ID. And, again, lets not forget every other article that mentions problems with this whole situation. But who cares! Right?

[QUOTE=bitches;49315498]anti-muslim scare mongering about preknown laws[/QUOTE] Posting about something that frustrated me FACTUALLY is scaremongering? Ok if you say so. [b]You definitely did not 'catch me lieing' here, as you claimed.[/b] [QUOTE=bitches;49315498]posting news about a hateful professor, but in your case, obviously only done because he is islamic[/QUOTE] Absolutely. I was having discussions with several people here about non-integration at the time. I claimed that cultural and religious non-integration was a big part of it, and a day later this news appeared in headlines. Ofcourse I posted it. [b]You definitely did not 'catch me lieing' here, as you claimed.[/b] [QUOTE=bitches;49315498] "hollandistan", a thread where you complain about the very existence of religious coexistence[/QUOTE] I complained not about the religious coexistence, but about how islamic religion it forcing itself upon Western societies, and based myself on current and actual newsreports. [b]You definitely did not 'catch me lieing' here, as you claimed.[/b] [QUOTE=bitches;49315498]a thread where you posted a video claiming it to be from an event it was not, warping context[/QUOTE] I'll grant you this, as I've done many times before. I even stated it in the OP. I claimed it was from the "Paris attacks", and was completely right, except for it was from the previous Paris terrorist attack. You, the admin banning me, and a lot of others completely missed the point about how this was a sign-of non-integration and that the particular one of the two terrorist attacks didn't matter. [b]I wasn't lieing, I was mistaken, and openly admitted it immediately after finding it out[/b] [QUOTE=bitches;49315498]an even worse thread where you posted a video pretending that people were yelling ALLAHU ACKBAR where in fact nothing of the sort ever happened[/QUOTE] [b]Here you are wrong. I understand the confusion though, as the allahu ackbar yells aren't very well audible in the video posted. It was however in several newspapers, amongst which the NOS that even Turkish people in the audience were disgusted with people yelling Allahu Ackbar there.[/b] [QUOTE=bitches;49315498]i know you can keep this shitposting up all day, so i don't feel the need to respond any further[/QUOTE] I know that I post on this topic exclusively, this isn't news to me. However, you said you caught me lieing on several occasions. When asked for citation, you bring up a list of threads I made. NOt what I asked for, and that's not 'catching me lieing'. I very well understand you're now leaving the discussion, you're completely emptyhanded and even resorted to lies of your own to make your point. Congrats, you even found four people who blindly hate me enough to star you, without even reading what you posted to see if you were correct. Hilarious if it weren't so sad. [b]Also I love how you jumped on finding proof, but ignored the rest of my post where I explained how you were wrong.[/b] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("threadshitting your own thread, report and ignore" - Orkel))[/highlight]

even still neither of you (kweh and dibbs) have explained what exactly is wrong with demanding proof of evidence, in particular anecdotal claims of volunteer work [highlight](User was banned for this post ("threadshitting" - Orkel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Rumbler;49315618][b]You definitely did not 'catch me lieing' here, as you claimed.[/b] [b]You definitely did not 'catch me lieing' here, as you claimed.[/b] [b]You definitely did not 'catch me lieing' here, as you claimed.[/b] [b]You definitely did not 'catch me lieing' here, as you claimed.[/b][/QUOTE] I should've expected this.

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;49315593]You literally just.. I'm done. I'm gone. Have fun arguing, it's clear this thread is going in circles at this point. He has no evidence that hes a refugee worker despite using it as an argument. The thread title is misleading. Hes going to continue spamming these threads. E T C. Stop defending this guy.[/QUOTE] Oh hey, you finally feel what its like talking to people like you. Congrats. [editline]14th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=bitches;49315623]even still neither of you (kweh and dibbs) have explained what exactly is wrong with demanding proof of evidence, in particular anecdotal claims of volunteer work[/QUOTE] "I accept everything positive said about the refugees, but I deny everything negative about the refugees."

[QUOTE=kweh;49315631]"I accept everything positive said about the refugees, but I deny everything negative about the refugees."[/QUOTE] Ad Hominem is evolving! [music] It evolved into... Strawman Argument!

[QUOTE=bitches;49315623]even still neither of you (kweh and dibbs) have explained what exactly is wrong with demanding proof of evidence, in particular anecdotal claims of volunteer work[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=kweh;49315631] "I accept everything positive said about the refugees, but I deny everything negative about the refugees."[/QUOTE] This doesn't respond to my statement at all. Could you answer the question?

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49315516]And now Rumbler says "Screw you I'm going home". Doesn't bother to try and address any of the five threads bitches brings up [B]after asking for proof[/B]. If you didn't want to dispute your own activity why did you ask for proof of it? Do you know how guilty you look by just avoiding answering and saying "well, fuck this, you're all biased against me".[/QUOTE] Sorry to burst your bubble, but where did I say "Im going home?". I'm still trying to have a real discussion. You're all just kicking and screaming all the way there. He didn't in the least post proof. He said he had caught me lieing several times, yet comes up with 'just a list' of things I've posted. Not what he promised OR what I asked.

[QUOTE=bitches;49315596]are [B]you[/B] that dense, to completely ignore context? i was clearly referring to anecdotal claims of volunteer work i've already responded a great deal to the article itself why don't you respond to what i'm actually saying instead of using ironic insult?[/QUOTE] No, I am not ignoring the context. You're sitting here denying that there are legitimate social issues happening in the crisis, and like Kweh said, passing a warm clean cloth over the article and basically making your own interpretation of the situation. Which is just that, an interpretation. There is no factual basis whatsoever in your so called deconstruction. You're basically filtering through the facts and pointing out possible semantical difference between what the article says and what its supposed to mean.

Kweh and Rumbler, how come you two are much more comfortable talking about ad hominems than you are genuinely responding to arguments, in all of these threads? I thought all you wanted was an honest discussion. [QUOTE=Rumbler;49315649]Sorry to burst your bubble, but where did I say "Im going home?". I'm still trying to have a real discussion. You're all just kicking and screaming all the way there.[/QUOTE] Ok, then maybe respond to some of the arguments made instead of continuing drama if you don't like the attention so much.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49315640]Ad Hominem is evolving! [music] It evolved into... Strawman Argument![/QUOTE] [QUOTE=bitches;49315643]This doesn't respond to my statement at all. Could you answer the question?[/QUOTE] ...I just did, while elixwhitetail shitposts with lack of argument. You deny everything that paints the refugees in a bad image, but if something good about them pops up, there does not need to be any confirmation whatsoever. Like, I'd get it that you'd deny things in that thread about how we spend a lot on refugees because it obviously isn't their fault. But when theres quite a few threads saying that refugees are unhappy with the treatment that they get and expect everything to be a cakewalk, which is actually better than some families from their respective countries get, you still ignore it completely and call it out to be bullshit. [editline]14th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;49315660]Kweh and Rumbler, how come you two are much more comfortable talking about ad hominems than you are genuinely responding to arguments, in all of these threads? I thought all you wanted was an honest discussion. Ok, then maybe respond to some of the arguments made instead of continuing drama if you don't like the attention so much.[/QUOTE] What arguments? The arguments in these threads are always "I don't believe you, show me proof", aka disregarding the article entirely. I may ad hominem, but I at least do it with little deviation from the topic by showing that everyone disregards these articles because they are negative, unlike elixwhitetail who tries to discredit me by calling me out for exaggerating on a few of my comparisons, and nothing else.

[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;49315660]Kweh and Rumbler, how come you two are much more comfortable talking about ad hominems than you are genuinely responding to arguments, in all of these threads? I thought all you wanted was an honest discussion, or maybe just attention.[/QUOTE] Wow that is the emptiest accussation I've had so far. You guys can't criticise me for posting too much AND too little. In all the time on this forum, I've responded to everything that someone has asked me, or posted towards me. I am the one engaging in the honest discussion all the time. In the last few discussions I've actually managed to see eye-to-eye with several people who hated me at first even though we disagreed. It's not me shitposting for 3 pages instead of talking about the article in the OP.

If you think Rumbler not providing ID makes his anecdotal argument invalid, that's fine. But why must that continue for 3 pages now? If you disagree so hard, just don't engage instead of repeating same "gib ID" every time.

[QUOTE=Rumbler;49315688]Wow that is the emptiest accussation I've had so far. You guys can't criticise me for posting too much AND too little. In all the time on this forum, I've responded to everything that someone has asked me, or posted towards me. I am the one engaging in the honest discussion all the time. In the last few discussions I've actually managed to see eye-to-eye with several people who hated me at first even though we disagreed. It's not me shitposting for 3 pages instead of talking about the article in the OP.[/QUOTE] 1 last thing since your still here and say you respond to everything Please post evidence that your a refugee worker by taking a picture of an ID or badge that may identify that you are, in fact, volunteering at a refugee camp. Simply black out all information that could lead back to you. Please no paperwork as this can easily be faked. If you are unable to post this, then we can only assume you are a liar. [QUOTE=itisjuly;49315701]If you think Rumbler not providing ID makes his anecdotal argument invalid, that's fine. But why must that continue for 3 pages now? If you disagree so hard, just don't engage instead of repeating same "gib ID" every time.[/QUOTE] I don't know, I can claim I am a refugee living in Canada. I'm not, but would you believe me if I refused to post any evidence of it every time I used it as an argument? [QUOTE=kweh;49315727]Let's try it that way... He's a liar. And? That makes every negative article suddenly untrue?[/QUOTE] Your clearly missing the point. Hes spamming these articles and using his refugee-worker status to deflects arguments targeted at him when accused of misconstruing the thread titles and presenting articles in a negative light, that "he knows" better then us. Since hes failed in every instance to provide any evidence towards this, his arguments are nul until he does so.

People from Fort U.S.A. really shouldn't be arguing in immigrant/refugee topic threads.

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;49315706]1 last thing since your still here and say you respond to everything Please post evidence that your a refugee worker by taking a picture of an ID or badge that may identify that you are, in fact, volunteering at a refugee camp. Simply black out all information that could lead back to you. Please no paperwork as this can easily be faked. If you are unable to post this, then we can only assume you are a liar. I don't know, I can claim I am a refugee living in Canada. I'm not, but would you believe me if I refused to post any evidence of it?[/QUOTE] Let's try it that way... He's a liar. And? That makes every negative article suddenly untrue?

[QUOTE=NoOneKnowsMe;49315571]Why did you put a part of the thread title in quotes if the letter doesn't include it? It doesn't say anywhere "Expect robbery if financial situation doesn't improve". This makes it seem like a direct quote, even though it isn't. [B]Edit: [/B] I don't want to sound nitpicky, but if you really want people to take your criticism seriously, you have to be more objective with your threads.[/QUOTE] Yes I can totally understand this. Your well-founded criticism almost got buried under this avalanche of rubbish. It's not a direct quote, nor did I mean to to appear that way. It is however what is heavily implied. I am the one who translated that letter to english as well, so if I really were biased I also could've put that same bias in the english translation. If you'll please take the time, to go the Degelderlander.nl source and translate it in Google Translate then you can read the comments and see how many more people are all perplexed by this threat. Thanks for responding like this though. I'll try to be more accurate with quotation instead of paraphrasing.

[QUOTE=kweh;49315678] What arguments? The arguments in these threads are always "I don't believe you, show me proof", aka disregarding the article entirely.[/QUOTE] Are you interested in talking further about refugees than "they suck"? What's your opinion on what we should've done initially, or what our best option is now? What would the implications be of sending them back? Would it be justified? Give me something to believe you're arguing for more than the sake of pushing an agenda, because that's definitely the impression you're giving off.