Holland: Refugee spokesman sends letter to mayor "Expect robbery if financial situation doesnt impro - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;49315706]1 last thing since your still here and say you respond to everything Please post evidence that your a refugee worker by taking a picture of an ID or badge that may identify that you are, in fact, volunteering at a refugee camp. Simply black out all information that could lead back to you. Please no paperwork as this can easily be faked. If you are unable to post this, then we can only assume you are a liar. [/QUOTE] Holy fucking shit. [b]Seriously.[/b] I have responded to everything, yes, and I've already responded in full length on requests for my ID-card, and I've referenced those full-length posts in this topic already. How dense are you?! And what the hell kind of ID-card that's not-easily fakable [b]do you think they give out to volunteers[/b]?! Watermarked plastic cards with imprinted official logo's?! They are just a goddamn logo COA logo that they sent me by PDF, which I printed out myself, and placed into a plastic holder that they gave me on the first day. It shows my first name in big letters, last-name in a smaller font, states that I"m VOLUNTEER under my name Arabic and English. [b]Something I could've faked 20 times by now if I was in it just to deceive you guys.[/b] And as I've said many times before if you want to assume I am a liar just because I am critical and somehow thats impossible to combine with volunteerwork to try and make things better in your mind, then that's YOUR problem, not mine. You're free to accept anything anecdotal I've said to be rubbish. [b]However, please read and RESPOND to the articles that I post. This is something you all are refusing to do, you keep denying and apologizing or diverting attention by focussing attention to me.[/b] Keep fighting that social justice on the internet my friend, since that's what you call it yourself. I'll spend my time twice a week actually improving this shitfest in the meanwhile. And I love having discussions about this topic, since I think it's massively important to have discussions about this. I do it in my free-time, I do it in my political membership of local government, I do it with my friends. That's my motivation. If you can prove me wrong then do so gladly, however everything in this thread alone is shitposting to the max.

[QUOTE=Rumbler;49315760] They are just a goddamn logo COA logo with my first name and VOLUNTEER under it in Arabic and english. Something I could've faked 20 times by now if I was in it just to deceive you guys. [/QUOTE] then post it what is the problem Like you said it's done easily. Just black out your name. You use it as an argument constantly. If it makes you feel better for calling me an SJW when I am avid guy whos in gamergate, the supposed "right-wing radical" group...

"I won't provide proof, I can't provide proof, and I intend on continuing to shitpost with impunity and you're all SJWs for arguing with me." Good to know. You could've said this on page 1 and saved us all a lot of time. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("threadshitting" - Orkel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49315775]"I won't provide proof, I can't provide proof, and I intend on continuing to shitpost with impunity and you're all SJWs for arguing with me." Good to know. You could've said this on page 1 and saved us all a lot of time.[/QUOTE] I'd just like to point out that you're literally the only one in the thread who's used the term "SJW" so far and for fucks sake none of you need to see his fucking identification it's completely irrelevant to the topic of discussion, he brought it up in the first place solely because people were attacking his character. Which honestly, he shouldn't have done in the first place since the only thing responding to things like that accomplishes is giving idiots the idea that it's a valid line of questioning.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49315775]"I won't provide proof, I can't provide proof, and I intend on continuing to shitpost with impunity and you're all SJWs for arguing with me." Good to know. You could've said this on page 1 and saved us all a lot of time.[/QUOTE] This topic is about the article I posted. As you can see the title of the topic isn't "Blowjobs for Rumbler since he's an awesome volunteer". You're free to ignore anything anecdotal I say, I don't need you to believe me on my volunteerwork as I've said 20 threads back instead of on page 1 here. You guys keep bringing it up.

[QUOTE=Rumbler;49315809]This topic is about the article I posted. As you can see the title of the topic isn't "Blowjobs for Rumbler since he's an awesome volunteer". You're free to ignore anything anecdotal I say, I don't need you to believe me on my volunteerwork as I've said 20 threads back instead of on page 1 here. You guys keep bringing it up.[/QUOTE] Still no proof. I have reason to believe you are a massive liar and will hold it over your head every time you use it as an argument. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("threadshitting" - Orkel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;49315824]Still no proof. I have reason to believe you are a massive liar and will hold it over your head every time you use it as an argument.[/QUOTE] This can't be real... Where did I use it as an argument? Do we really have to go logic101 on this? Ok then. 1. I post a valid newstopic, from a valid newssource. 2. I then clearly mark, where I am giving personal anecdotes. If you believe them, then please read them along with the newsstory. 3. If you don't, as you've promised a few times now, then please shut up about it, and just respond on the newsstory itself. I am not deceiving anyone, nor am I saying "BELIEVE THIS BECAUSE I AM THE AUTHORITY OF ALL AUTHORITIES" I'm just posting my personal experiences, [b]in complement to a newsarticle that's completely valid by itself[/b]

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49315775]"I won't provide proof, I can't provide proof, and I intend on continuing to shitpost with impunity and you're all SJWs for arguing with me." Good to know. You could've said this on page 1 and saved us all a lot of time.[/QUOTE] Again. What does it matter if he provides proof? Why not just ignore is anecdotal arguments and read the article? All he is doing is quoting the article. What proof do you need other than a source saying this is happening? [QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;49315824]Still no proof. I have reason to believe you are a massive liar and will hold it over your head every time you use it as an argument.[/QUOTE] Officially the most childish post in this thread.

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;49315824]Still no proof. I have reason to believe you are a massive liar and will hold it over your head every time you use it as an argument.[/QUOTE] this is asinine

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49315799]I'd just like to point out that you're literally the only one in the thread who's used the term "SJW" so far[/QUOTE] Except I'm not. [QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;49315298]And don't ask him for proof that he actually works in a refugee camp, he literally says "he will be hunted by SJW's to get him fired." It doesn't help he deflects literally every argument with "I work in a refugee camp so I can say [I]x[/I]." Where you signed up is not valid proof that you actually did![/QUOTE] And the two posts directly above my post that you quoted: [QUOTE=Rumbler;49315760]Keep fighting that social justice on the internet my friend, since that's what you call it yourself. I'll spend my time twice a week actually improving this shitfest in the meanwhile.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;49315771]If it makes you feel better for calling me an SJW when I am avid guy whos in gamergate, the supposed "right-wing radical" group...[/QUOTE] Actually reading the thread helps before making arguments. Rumbler wasn't the first to use the term, but neither was I, which you asserted. :v:

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49315837]Except I'm not. And the two posts directly above my post that you quoted: Actually reading the thread helps before making arguments. Rumbler wasn't the first to use the term, but neither was I, which you asserted. :v:[/QUOTE] so far as I'm aware rumbler has never used the term SJW, it's only been used by people saying that rumbler has said it yes, you were not specifically the first person to use it in that context, my statement was incorrect

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;49315824]Still no proof. I have reason to believe you are a massive liar and will hold it over your head every time you use it as an argument.[/QUOTE] I believe you are lying about him being a liar.

Come on guys, I'd say I'm a left-centre person and even I think he has fair points, the discussion in these threads is fucking ridiculous lmao

This thread so far: [I]"The immigrant crisis, and all the news source articles you posted are fake and/or lying to me because you wont provide me with your identification!! Everything is FAKE! Everything is a figment of my imagination!!!"[/I]

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49315350]Hey, Rumbler, remember when you said this to me 20 hours ago? Here you are doing it again. I WIN.[/QUOTE] just gotta point out that you didn't even respond to the criticism he made of your post when you called him out in the video section thread but only responded to it here to say "I WIN"

[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;49315898]just gotta point out that you didn't even respond to the criticism he made of your post when you called him out in the video section thread but only responded to it here to say "I WIN"[/QUOTE] That is true. I felt that responding any further would've derailed that thread. In retrospect I'd prefer to undo those posts but it's too late for that now.

I don't think Rumbler is lying because IMO he doesn't behave like the typical liar. Seems more like a guy in his 30/40's getting increasingly annoyed by pointless requests. Most liars would be more grandiose in their claims and would oversell their importance. The "gain" motive behind lying about this is also so incredibly fucking small. There is a chance he is lying however I certainly wouldn't bet any money on those odds.

[QUOTE=Murky42;49315938]I don't think Rumbler is lying because IMO he doesn't behave like the typical liar. Seems more like a guy in his 30/40's getting increasingly annoyed by pointless requests. Most liars would be more grandiose in their claims and would oversell their importance. [B]The "gain" motive behind lying about this is also so incredibly fucking small. [/B] There is a chance he is lying however I certainly wouldn't bet any money on those odds.[/QUOTE] Look at this rational post. Why is it so hard for some people to understand this.

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;49315832]Officially the most childish post in this thread.[/QUOTE] Not as bad as that autistic ass Pokemon reference elix dropped.

[QUOTE=kweh;49315678]...I just did, while elixwhitetail shitposts with lack of argument. You deny everything that paints the refugees in a bad image, but if something good about them pops up, there does not need to be any confirmation whatsoever.[/QUOTE] You still haven't answered my question. I asked you why it is unacceptable to demand proof of anecdotal evidence, something that clearly upset you earlier.

[QUOTE=Murky42;49315938] The "gain" motive behind lying about this is also so incredibly fucking small.[/QUOTE] On the other hand people on the internet have lied for less. [editline]14th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=bitches;49315964]You still haven't answered my question. I asked you why it is unacceptable to demand proof of anecdotal evidence, something that clearly upset you earlier.[/QUOTE] For one, demanding is a shitty thing to do overall, and second, you shouldn't do that in every god damn post all the damn time.

[QUOTE=bitches;49315964]You still haven't answered my question. I asked you why it is unacceptable to demand proof of anecdotal evidence, something that clearly upset you earlier.[/QUOTE] Don't get me started on things you haven't responded to either. Take this one for example, which also happens to be a direct answer to your question you've repeated for the tenth time now, even though it wasn't originally aimed at you: [quote] 1. I post a valid newstopic, from a valid newssource. 2. I then clearly mark, where I am giving personal anecdotes. If you believe them, then please read them along with the newsstory. 3. If you don't, as you've promised a few times now, then please shut up about it, and just respond on the newsstory itself. I am not deceiving anyone, nor am I saying "BELIEVE THIS BECAUSE I AM THE AUTHORITY OF ALL AUTHORITIES" I'm just posting my personal experiences, in complement to a newsarticle that's completely valid by itself.[/quote] You don't get to pretend that I'm purely posting anecdotal evidence. I'm posting newsstories from valid sources. I then compliment the news with things I've personally experienced. For that part of my posts you can require evidence before you believe it. [b]However, I have explained why I do not wish to give you that evidence, and I've also told you how the evidence that you'd be satisfied with, wouldn't really be evidence since I could easily fake it so I'm taking the wind out of my own sail there. Does that not scream not-liar to you?[/b] I don't know what more I can do to make this any clearer.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49315775]"I won't provide proof, I can't provide proof, and I intend on continuing to shitpost with impunity and you're all SJWs for arguing with me." Good to know. You could've said this on page 1 and saved us all a lot of time.[/QUOTE] Maybe if you stopped acting like a superiour douchebag, that would save everyone a lot of time as well. [QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49315929]That is true. I felt that responding any further would've derailed that thread. In retrospect I'd prefer to undo those posts but it's too late for that now.[/QUOTE] To be fair, you've managed to derail this thread from the 1st page already. And to the ID thing, i wouldn't be comfortable to show you my id. Just look at the way you guys have been hostile against Rumbler, it's not even suprising that he doesn't want to show you his id at all jesus fuck.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49315440]journalism.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately the left wing media is trying to paint a picture of the crisis with rose colored glasses on so yeah, we have to rely on the right to get the facts. Obviously not all of its fact based (same with left media) but quite a bit of it is. [QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49315775]"I won't provide proof, I can't provide proof, and I intend on continuing to shitpost with impunity and you're all SJWs for arguing with me."[/QUOTE] Some kind of trolling

[QUOTE=itisjuly;49315970]For one, demanding is a shitty thing to do overall, and second, you shouldn't do that in every god damn post all the damn time.[/QUOTE] What is wrong with upholding argumentative standards? Should anyone get to make any claim and it be automatically regarded as truth? Of course not. Why should Rumbler get to use supposed volunteer status as a reason to declare everything he posts as the truth, without supporting his claim? Why does it upset you that others find unsubstantiated anecdotes unsatisfactory? He doesn't need to keep throwing around supposed volunteer work as proof. If he doesn't want to post evidence, he shouldn't make the claim that his volunteer status should mean anything to us.

[QUOTE=bitches;49316010]What is wrong with upholding argumentative standards? Should anyone get to make any claim and it be automatically regarded as truth? Of course not. Why should Rumbler get to use supposed volunteer status as a reason to declare everything he posts as the truth, without supporting his claim? Why does it upset you that others find unsubstantiated anecdotes unsatisfactory? He doesn't need to keep throwing around supposed volunteer work as proof. If he doesn't want to post evidence, he shouldn't make the claim that his volunteer status should mean anything to us.[/QUOTE] Flatout ignoring what I just posted. Asks the same question again. Can't believe this guy is even for real anymore. How much shitposting is one allowed to do?

[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;49315740]Are you interested in talking further about refugees than "they suck"? What's your opinion on what we should've done initially, or what our best option is now? What would the implications be of sending them back? Would it be justified? Give me something to believe you're arguing for more than the sake of pushing an agenda, because that's definitely the impression you're giving off.[/QUOTE] How about regulating things? How about not making it a free for all and advertise it as a "got problems? Come here then, we'll fix everything, 100*% guaranteed solutions". Help the people who do have families and are in need, and not the loners who are just out for trouble with the mask of being disgruntled.

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;49315824]Still no proof. I have reason to believe you are a massive liar and will hold it over your head every time you use it as an argument. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("threadshitting" - Orkel))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Way to be fucking ignorant. Welcome to the ignore list. Now, since I posted, something on-topic: IMO governmental officials should just ignore these petty threats, and if these threats will be executed, then just threaten to deport every refugee the fuck out. If they value their presence in Europe, they will beat the shit out of thugs themselves.

One thing to think about. If citizens can have a waiting period of up to 1 year or even more IIRC to be able to get on a list to have an apartment in Holland; it can't be that far off an idea to think it might take an unknown/considerable amount of time to figure out housing/asylum status for people who are only just starting their path down becoming citizens of the country (and not all of the refugee's plan to stay, anyways). Especially with the massive undertaking of bringing large amounts of people into a dense area Kudos to all the people that volunteer at these places to try and make a difference, because I'm guessing the pay isn't amazing

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49316227]Way to be fucking ignorant. Welcome to the ignore list. Now, since I posted, something on-topic: IMO governmental officials should just ignore these petty threats, and if these threats will be executed, then just threaten to deport every refugee the fuck out. If they value their presence in Europe, they will beat the shit out of thugs themselves.[/QUOTE] Refugees know these will be empty threats. Most EU governments have no spine to actually kick out refugees.