China says it would allow a unified Korea under the South's control - Polidicks

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;26402053][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ6E3cShcVU[/media] [editline]30th November 2010[/editline] Considering few people in the world have been to North Korea, its safe to say that documentaries are quite a reliable source. [editline]30th November 2010[/editline] There was also another really good North Korea documentary, a much newer one, don't remember what it was, though. The guys bribed their way into the country from China..[/QUOTE]Vice guide to North Korea [url]http://www.vbs.tv/en-gb/watch/the-vice-guide-to-travel/vice-guide-to-north-korea-1-of-3[/url]

Ah, that's the one. it's a lot more touching as they actually talk down some of the tourguides and everything, and get them to relax a bit :3:

[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;26397886]South Korea is no longer Worst korea?[/QUOTE] I found you. [url]http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mio-Akiyama/113917851977028[/url] North Korea is worst korea, Kim and his happy grassland fantasy, ho ho ho, silly north koreans, I mean, south korea has a gaming religion. How awesome is that.

North Koreans economy is dead whilst the Souths has never been better. I think I see a turn of the tables soon.

I think North Korea would do incredibly well if it were amalgamated back into South Korea. Or into Korea as whole, I guess. Despite it's state of disrepair, Pyongyang has some extremely impressive structures and monuments, the place would make one hell of a place to live or visit, given proper infrastructure. Though if Korea became one country again, lots of aid-work would need to be done, as most of North Korea is in desperate poverty.

So much for being allies with NK. Seriously, that makes no sense at all.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;26402637]So much for being allies with NK. Seriously, that makes no sense at all.[/QUOTE] makes no sense that they'd stop being allies or makes no sense that they'd be allies? Either way, I think china is a bit more rational nowadays, which would explain the change of heart. It's sort of like having a friend with you that is constantly drunk, yells racist slurs to people on the street and pisses in public areas. After a while, you just can't stand the spillover embarrassment and you don't want to be seen with them; then they're like "[I]yo maaan what haappen, you useda be cool[/I]" and you're like "[I]I grew up[/I] :colbert:" Well, its sorta like that, anyways.

[QUOTE=jwk94;26397434]I like the idea of this, but what happens to Kim Jong Il?[/QUOTE] He will live out the rest of his days in his many palaces and castles- surrounded by women and Blu-Ray disks of the James Bond collection. And he will be visited and loved by many. :unsmith:

China doesn't want war, most of the economy is to the west.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;26402764]makes no sense that they'd stop being allies or makes no sense that they'd be allies? Either way, I think china is a bit more rational nowadays, which would explain the change of heart. It's sort of like having a friend with you that is constantly drunk, yells racist slurs to people on the street and pisses in public areas. After a while, you just can't stand the spillover embarrassment and you don't want to be seen with them; then they're like "[I]yo maaan what haappen, you useda be cool[/I]" and you're like "[I]I grew up[/I] :colbert:" Well, its sorta like that, anyways.[/QUOTE] Well, China used to be homies with NK and now they're essentially saying 'oh, you guys can have him'. I don't quite see the point.

North Korea is a liability for them. In the 1940s the whole "yeah communist state bros, free the people!" thing was pretty happening, but now the coutnry is clearly run by a lunatic, the economy is as dead as dead can be, and now they are trying to piss off 2-28 very powerful countries. China and the west's economies are greatly tied together, and at this point in time, there are some significant diplomatic relations. It's not worth ruining that for a coutnry of little economic value that is run by a family of lunatics.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;26402916]North Korea is a liability for them. In the 1940s the whole "yeah communist state bros, free the people!" thing was pretty happening, but now the coutnry is clearly run by a lunatic, the economy is as dead as dead can be, and now they are trying to piss off 2-28 very powerful countries.[/QUOTE] If anything, I hope it'll be a sign to NK to stop. They pretty much lost their only ally, going to war would be a dumb thing to do.

My only concern with this is that since it has become public, unifying the Koreas will be harder once again.

[QUOTE=StupidUsername67;26397975]As nice as that sounds, it doesn't work like that. Even if NK was absorbed peacefully and there was no damage to either country SK would still inherit an entire country with hardly any economy and resources, and a starving population of 24 million. There's literally no gain whatsoever for South Korea if they reunited with the North.[/QUOTE] what south korea would gain is North korea's mineral supply.

Im really eager to see North Korea get amalgamated at some point (hopefully soon with all that's been going on). I'm sure there'll be issues, if there's a diplomatic surrender, there'll obviously be some fanatics setting off bombs, which will suck. But the amount of culture shock that'll hit that coutnry all at once when the DMZ comes down, it'll just be amazing. Even though there's the fanatical devotion in North Korea among many people, the idea of reunification seems popular there, so maybe people would put their differences aside. It'll be like the Berlin wall all over again. [editline]30th November 2010[/editline] Korea is in a a good state to be reunified with the south in favor. The North have openly lost their only potential economic and military Allie, and the country is in the middle of a large power transition. [editline]30th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=DarkCisco;26403026]what south korea would gain is North korea's mineral supply.[/QUOTE] And tourism, obviously. The place will be flooded with tourists and journalists. So many koreans "lost" family when the division went up. The only reason North Korea has no economy is because they are completely isolated (and run by complete incompetence).

[QUOTE=jwk94;26397434]I like the idea of this, but what happens to Kim Jong Il?[/QUOTE] he turns into a huge death spider that failed to take over the world

Well done China, well done.

[QUOTE=jwk94;26397434]I like the idea of this, but what happens to Kim Jong Il?[/QUOTE] I don't know if anyone has answered this yet, but the document makes it seem like South Korea is going to wait it out. Kim Jong-il only has a few years left, and the Chinese predict the collapse of the North Korean regime a few years after that. When that happens South Korea will reunify the country, and China doesn't mind as long as there is no American military presence above the DMZ, and Korea isn't hostile towards them. [editline]30th November 2010[/editline] We're going to see the fall of the awful North Korean regime and the reunification of the Koreas in our life time guys! How rad is that!

The North Koreans are hardly afraid of the Chinese. They'll turn on anyone. If their supply line from China is cut off, you can bet that they'll attack South Korea as a last ditch effort. It's nice to know that China isn't exclusively behind North Korea, but NK is still dangerous regardless. Needless to say, I've already ordered my signed portrait of Kim Jong Il.

Wow, that's an even better news than I'd hoped for. I felt confident that China would refuse North Korea support in the event of war, but I never expected that they would go so far as to actually lobby for the South. I figured that China would just stay out of it. [QUOTE=animephreak135;26404035]The North Koreans are hardly afraid of the Chinese. They'll turn on anyone. If their supply line from China is cut off, you can bet that they'll attack South Korea as a last ditch effort. It's nice to know that China isn't exclusively behind North Korea, but NK is still dangerous regardless. Needless to say, I've already ordered my signed portrait of Kim Jong Il.[/QUOTE] With China's level of involvement with the North Koreans confirmed, the only real danger has passed. Some people were concerned that a war with North Korea would incite the Chinese to offer military support to the nation, and China, being a very wealthy nation with a massive and advanced military, [i]is[/i] a potential threat to the rest of the world. North Korea, though? No, not anymore. The only thing that makes North Korea dangerous is desperation, because they could not possibly hope to sustain a war on their own. They're an economically dead country, so poor that they can barely [i]feed[/i] their soldiers, making the idea that they could afford any sort of sustained warfare a bad joke. They've got no friends and they've got no money, and both are needed for a small country to wave a sword. I've seen some concern over possible insurgency from the North Koreans. The only thing I can say to that is, "No, man. I really don't think so." The culture and conditions favorable for insurgency against a liberating/invading force simply don't exist within North Korea. I really, really don't think that those concerns are justified.

Now all Korea will be Worst Korea

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;26405069]Wow, that's an even better news than I'd hoped for. I felt confident that China would refuse North Korea support in the event of war, but I never expected that they would go so far as to actually lobby for the South. I figured that China would just stay out of it. With China's level of involvement with the North Koreans confirmed, the only real danger has passed. Some people were concerned that a war with North Korea would incite the Chinese to offer military support to the nation, and China, being a very wealthy nation with a massive and advanced military, [i]is[/i] a potential threat to the rest of the world. North Korea, though? No, not anymore. The only thing that makes North Korea dangerous is desperation, because they could not possibly hope to sustain a war on their own. They're an economically dead country, so poor that they can barely [i]feed[/i] their soldiers, making the idea that they could afford any sort of sustained warfare a bad joke. They've got no friends and they've got no money, and both are needed for a small country to wave a sword. I've seen some concern over possible insurgency from the North Koreans. The only thing I can say to that is, "No, man. I really don't think so." The culture and conditions favorable for insurgency against a liberating/invading force simply don't exist within North Korea. I really, really don't think that those concerns are justified.[/QUOTE] They have the 4th largest standing army in the world. They're more than capable of launching short distance nuclear attacks (and there's no doubt that they would in the event of an invasion) which spells big trouble for South Korea. There's no doubt in my mind that North Korean troops would fight to the death in the event of a war. They're completely brainwashed; convinced that surrendering to U.S., South Korean forces would be a death sentence. As far as military technology goes, they're obviously the underdog, but nothing is easy when you're fighting over a million soldiers (regardless of what they're equipped with.)

So how long before this could actually happen? I don't see this being possible without a warm of some kind unfortunately.

[QUOTE=animephreak135;26405539]They have the 4th largest standing army in the world. [/QUOTE] It's more assumed they have the fourth largest army. With malnutrition and other factors affecting the NK citizens I would imagine that it's smaller. China have everything to gain with SK gaining control of the North. A new economy, a neighbour that doesn't constantly throw its toys out of the pram. Allying with NK is completely useless. The only reason they were even remotely allied in the past is because of old Chinese ideals regarding communism. With the fall of Soviet Russia and the fact that China has also changed its ideals, they both strongly disagree with what NK has become and is doing. Tldr, China gains everything, loses nothing with SK taking over.

I think their "ongoing" ties to North Korea are because it acts as a buffer state which now the Chinese say they see little value in anymore.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;26400915]Would be good to see the North annexed without Pyongyang being levelled. lots of cool structures there. Were pointless to build, but cool nonetheless. [/QUOTE] All those structurally unsound deathtraps will have to be torn down. Especially that shit-heap they call a hotel.

[QUOTE=Haywood;26409637]All those structurally unsound deathtraps will have to be torn down. Especially that shit-heap they call a hotel.[/QUOTE]In the event of a war, that hotel will probably be like the Stalingrad grain elevator.

I must say, this is rather unexpected, but a very refreshing and relaxing thing to read...

all pyongyangeans move to the surrounding countryside pyongyang then becomes the world's largest disney land

Let's just hope NK doesn't go all "Last Stand" and fire everything they've got.