• Kesha sobs as judge refuses to cancel contract with producer Dr. Luke who allegedly raped her in 200
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[QUOTE=testinglol;49776003]i dont think they thought about backlash they would be getting either.[/QUOTE] What? Sony hasn't [I]done[/I] anything. Kesha asked to cancel the contract, Sony said no, offered to pair her with someone else, she went to court and asked the court to cancel the contract (because she alleges that they would refuse to promote her), and they declined. [editline]19th February 2016[/editline] I think you misunderstood something here.
testinglol makes a good point; Lots of people are automatically taking Keshas side without any proof or evidence that Sony would do what she said they would, taking her word for it 100%, saying that she must be telling the truth just because she is. And Sony is receiving backlash, however reasonable or unreasonable that backlash may be.
[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;49776016]What? Sony hasn't [I]done[/I] anything. Kesha asked to cancel the contract, Sony said no, offered to pair her with someone else, she went to court and asked the court to cancel the contract (because she alleges that they would refuse to promote her), and they declined. [editline]19th February 2016[/editline] I think you misunderstood something here.[/QUOTE] declining that request in this situation is not nice in any way if allegations are true. i personally think its really cruel for them to force her to work for the alleged rapist. its not only about the contract.
[QUOTE=testinglol;49776061]declining that request in this situation is not nice in any way if allegations are true. i personally think its really cruel for them to force her to work for the alleged rapist. its not only about the contract.[/QUOTE] She is not being forced to work with her accused rapist. Sony offered to let her work with another producer. Unless you mean "work with" as in "be in the same company as" or "be in the same city as".
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;49776069]She is not being forced to work with her accused rapist. Sony offered to let her work with another producer. Unless you mean "work with" as in "be in the same company as" or "be in the same city as".[/QUOTE] shes signed to kemosabe records which is created and controlled by dr luke and owned by sony. he is not only her producer, he controls the label shes signed to. i dont think its possible for her not to work with him under that label. after all, she would be working for him. its a really weird situation
[QUOTE=testinglol;49776104]shes signed to kemosabe records which is created and controlled by dr luke and owned by sony. he is not only her producer, he controls the label shes signed to. i dont think its possible for her not to work with him under that label. after all, she would be working for him. its a really weird situation[/QUOTE] Wait... What do you mean [I]she signed[/I]? Did she sign up to Kemosabe herself, or did Sony or an agent or anybody else sign her to it on her behalf? She didn't sign up to Dr. Luke's company of her own free will, right? If she signed herself I'd feel really bad but she probably shouldn't have signed in the first place... Unless the rape happened after she signed.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;49776137]Wait... What do you mean [I]she signed[/I]? Did she sign up to Kemosabe herself, or did Sony or an agent or anybody else sign her to it on her behalf? She didn't sign up to Dr. Luke's company of her own free will, right? If she signed herself I'd feel really bad but she probably shouldn't have signed in the first place... Unless the rape happened after she signed.[/QUOTE] she signed on 2005, alleged rape happened on 2006. he finds talented people, gets them to sign, invests and produces music for them.
I did some more digging on this story and it turns out that the judge presiding said the same exact thing I was saying in my first post. [quote]"You're asking me to presume an entity like Sony, who is in a competitive position...will not want to make money on their investment," New York Supreme Court Judge Shirley Kornreich reportedly said in delivering her ruling, responding to Kesha's argument that the record company was "setting her up to fail" by insisting she stick with them.[/quote] More opinions within. [url]http://www.eonline.com/news/741842/why-kesha-s-court-battle-with-dr-luke-is-about-so-much-more-than-music[/url] [editline]19th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=testinglol;49776169]she signed on 2005, alleged rape happened on 2006. he finds talented people, gets them to sign, invests and produces music for them.[/QUOTE] Man, that's really tough. On one hand it sucks if you get stuck with someone like that, on the other there's no reasonable way out if you can't prove anything. You can't just get out of legally binding contracts based on rumors and accusations, it doesn't work that way. That's tough all around.
and now #SonySupportsRape is trending because of kneejerk backlash from people not reading into the case
[QUOTE=RikohZX;49776867]and now #SonySupportsRape is trending because of kneejerk backlash from people not reading into the case[/QUOTE] I've seen at least 4 people on facebook that I know going "Wow poor Kesha :((((("
[QUOTE=RikohZX;49776867]and now #SonySupportsRape is trending because of kneejerk backlash from people not reading into the case[/QUOTE] THIS is fucking why assumptions should NEVER be made concerning rape cases. Difficult considering the he said she said nature of the crime, but look at this shit! Sony's now drawing backlash for doing what's in their best interest as a fucking [i]business[/i]. God fucking damnit some people can be so stupid!
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;49776925]THIS is fucking why assumptions should NEVER be made concerning rape cases. Difficult considering the he said she said nature of the crime, but look at this shit! [B][I]Sony's now drawing backlash for doing what's in their best interest as a fucking business[/I][/B]. God fucking damnit some people can be so stupid![/QUOTE] Considering Sony's forcing Kesha to either: 1) work one way or another with Dr. Luke, her alleged rapist + emotional and physical abuser (Kesha has spent two months in rehab for bulimia, possibly because of the stress caused by Luke who compared her with a "fat refrigerator"), or 2) not release music at all, I'd say the backlash they receive is deserved. If you think about it, why would Kesha want out of her contract? With Luke she's scored multiple international hits and enjoyed plenty of success with her songs. What does she have to win from slandering her producer and label [I]right[/I] at her peak? Unless ... something behind the scenes has occurred. Nobody in their right mind would want to stay in the same room with their abuser. And Kesha has to make [I]eight[/I] more albums with Luke. [img]http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2537564.1455903796!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/kesha.jpg[/img] And even if Kesha's claims are false and she only wants to be free from her contract, that doesn't make Sony blameless. The music industry is fairly shady as it is –– and just because labels aim to do what's in their best interest as a business, that doesn't mean their decisions can't be poor or even hostile. There are plenty of cases where artists are stripped of their creative freedom just so their labels can have the albums they want. And if the artists don't comply, more often than not their music is shelved and they're stuck waiting for nothing. Which is exactly what's happening to Kesha right now. Even if Sony allows her to work with other producers, it's doubtful they'll promote her new music because she's stuck in a contract with the people she slandered. I think it's best for Sony to let go of Kesha. This situation isn't going to get much better for either them or her. It's a lose-lose situation.
She swore under oath that she made it all up so that she could escape her contract. [quote]Kesha's lawsuit against music producer Dr. Luke just got a lot more confusing. The "TiK ToK" singer, who claims that the music producer drugged and raped her numerous times, previously swore under oath that Dr. Luke had never harmed her.[/quote] [url]http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/kesha-swore-under-oath-prior-to-lawsuit-that-dr-luke-never-harmed-her-20142110[/url] [quote]Kesha swore under oath in 2011 that Lukasz 'Dr. Luke' Goswald did not sexually abuse her. During the deposition, unsealed Tuesday by a judge, the pop star said the music mogul neither drugged nor raped her. The sworn testimony contradicts allegations made by Kesha that Dr. Luke 'sexually, physically, verbally and emotionally abused' her over a period of 10 years.[/quote] [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2802370/kesha-swore-oath-2011-deposition-dr-luke-did-not-sexually-abuse-undercutting-rape-allegations-latest-lawsuit.html[/url] [editline]20th February 2016[/editline] I thought it was common knowledge by now that she lied, what's there to speculate?
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;49777837]She swore under oath that she made it all up so that she could escape her contract. [url]http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/kesha-swore-under-oath-prior-to-lawsuit-that-dr-luke-never-harmed-her-20142110[/url] [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2802370/kesha-swore-oath-2011-deposition-dr-luke-did-not-sexually-abuse-undercutting-rape-allegations-latest-lawsuit.html[/url] [editline]20th February 2016[/editline] I thought it was common knowledge by now that she lied, what's there to speculate?[/QUOTE] are you saying its not possible the first testimony in 2011 was not the lie because she was, like many rape victims, afraid to speak out against her rapist???
[QUOTE=Rusty100;49777944]are you saying its not possible the first testimony in 2011 was not the lie because she was, like many rape victims, afraid to speak out against her rapist???[/QUOTE] The thing is, he is innocent until proven guilty, no matter how horrific the crime is and how an asshole he was in the past. There's much confusion and lies surrounding this case. Are you simply going to believe her this time, ignoring her previous oath, why? To make things worse, Kesha own lawyer created lies by trying to state that this Dr. Luke raped Lady Gaga, something she and his lawyer, publicly stated was untrue and impossible (due to never being alone for any considerable amount of time). Considering how messy this whole case was, the Judge and Sony are getting hate all over the internet, but what could they do in this situation? They even gave her the possibility to change producer. To make it clear, I'm not saying she is lying this time. I'm saying that a witch hunt is unwarranted.
Sony already offered to let her work with somebody else. They've already tried to accommodate her. They're not going to cancel the contract for no reason (Kesha already said under oath Dr Luke hasn't sexually assaulted her, on top of that she has NO evidence to say he did.) Sony is a business and Kesha is an investment to them. Of course they're not letting go of the contract until they see "returns" on their investment. People keep saying that we should not dismiss Kesha's allegations as false, but that also means assuming Dr Luke is guilty before PROVEN guilty. How do you not see anything wrong with this?
Great another high profile rape accusation where the "accused" will have their life ruined by a frothing mob regardless of any factors other than being accused.
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;49778399]People keep saying that we should not dismiss Kesha's allegations as false, but that also means assuming Dr Luke is guilty before PROVEN guilty. How do you not see anything wrong with this?[/QUOTE] Uhm what? Of course it doesn't, did you even think this through for more than a fucking second? Not assuming Kesha's lying doesn't mean assuming she's telling the truth, christ
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;49778399]Sony already offered to let her work with somebody else. They've already tried to accommodate her. They're not going to cancel the contract for no reason[/QUOTE] Sony's offer is bull. Kesha being able to work with other producers =/= Sony approving and promoting her music. They + Dr. Luke (the owner of the label she's signed to) still decide if her new material sees the light of day. Kesha already had one album complete with The Flaming Lips and her label shelved it. Now that she dragged them through courtrooms, the likelihood of them ever releasing her material is nearly nonexistent. If Sony [I]really[/I] cared about receiving profit from Kesha, they could have taken her away from Luke's label to another one like Columbia or Epic Records, which are still tied to Sony. But they didn't. [QUOTE=zeroXSBK;49778475]Great another high profile rape accusation where the "accused" will have their life ruined by a frothing mob regardless of any factors other than being accused.[/QUOTE] Sorry but why are you so worried about Luke's feelings? This conflict will most definitely not ruin his life. He has produced plenty of hits for Katy Perry, who's one of the most successful American artists, and will most likely continue to keep churning out hits for other musicians, regardless of his "reputation". Compared to Kesha, who can't release ANYTHING on her own because she's more or less his "slave", his life is fairly untouched.
-was meant to merge- Do you not understand that the concept of innocent before proven guilty goes both ways You cannot say the producer is guilty of raping her if there's no evidence You cannot say she's guilty of lying about rape if there's no evidence
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49778514]Uhm what? Of course it doesn't, did you even think this through for more than a fucking second? Not assuming Kesha's lying doesn't mean assuming she's telling the truth, christ[/QUOTE] Investigate the claim of course. I'm not saying ignore Kesha. But I don't see the investigation going anywhere due to lack of evidence. Plus there's LOTS of room for reasonable doubt right now. Kesha herself already said under oath that Luke did not sexually assault her. Waiting several years before filing charges is bad enough. Waiting several years AND going on record stating the man did not do what you are now accusing him of doing does not look good on you at ALL. I'm not saying ignore Kesha, but I want this decided by a court of law. Not by the court of public opinion where it's currently going (#SonySupportsRape, fucking bullshit!)
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;49778534]Investigate the claim of course. I'm not saying ignore Kesha. But I don't see the investigation going anywhere due to lack of evidence. Plus there's LOTS of room for reasonable doubt right now. Kesha herself already said under oath that Luke did not sexually assault her. Waiting several years before filing charges is bad enough. Waiting several years AND going on record stating the man did not do what you are now accusing him of doing does not look good on you at ALL. I'm not saying ignore Kesha, but I want this decided by a court of law. Not by the court of public opinion where it's currently going (#SonySupportsRape, fucking bullshit!)[/QUOTE] Know what else is fucking bullshit? People saying we [I]should[/I] dismiss Kesha as a liar because doing otherwise would be holding the producer guilty
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49778543]Know what else is fucking bullshit? People saying we [I]should[/I] dismiss Kesha as a liar because doing otherwise would be holding the producer guilty[/QUOTE] Didn't I JUST say we should investigate the allegation? I did not say ignore it. I want this to be decided by a judge in a court of law based upon factual evidence. Shit like #SonySupportsRape runs in direct opposition to a fair trial. People on social media are already making up their minds on the case and we haven't even heard a damn guilty verdict. If he DID rape her, by all means throw the fucking book at him. If not, then the charges need to be dropped. There's one thing I hate more than rape and that's false rape allegations.
I don't understand why people put such heavy emphasis on when she said under oath that he did not rape her. You do know that rape can often have heavy mental repercussions, right? It's very possible that she simply thought that saying he didn't rape her would cause the thing to be over and cause her less emotional pain. Sometimes you say things that get you out of the pain, not what's right. Saying "she swore under oath" does not really mean anything in this context. Dismissing or invalidating the claim due to that is pretty much invalidating human psychology as a whole. Wherever she's lying or not, we simply do not know due to lack of evidence, and unless there is evidence to prove one or the other, it's really bad to take sides, no matter which one. By taking a side you're not doing a favor to anyone, but merely invalidating the other side by implying that lack of evidence is evidence enough to take a side.
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;49778567]Didn't I JUST say we should investigate the allegation? I did not say ignore it. I want this to be decided by a judge in a court of law based upon factual evidence. Shit like #SonySupportsRape runs in direct opposition to a fair trial. People on social media are already making up their minds on the case and we haven't even heard a damn guilty verdict. If he DID rape her, by all means throw the fucking book at him. If not, then the charges need to be dropped. There's one thing I hate more than rape and that's false rape allegations.[/QUOTE] I get the feeling you don't quite understand what I'm getting at This post is disgustingly wrong: [QUOTE=Solo Wing;49778399]People keep saying that we should not dismiss Kesha's allegations as false, but that also means assuming Dr Luke is guilty before PROVEN guilty. How do you not see anything wrong with this?[/QUOTE] According to what you said here we [I]should be dismissing Kesha as a liar[/I] because any other option would be the same as holding the producer guilty. Think about that for a second. It's mind-boggling that you're touting around this 'innocent before proven guilty' narrative while [I]completely oblivious[/I] to the fact you just said we should hold Kesha guilty before proven innocent
[QUOTE=zeroXSBK;49778475]Great another high profile rape accusation where the "accused" will have their life ruined by a frothing mob regardless of any factors other than being accused.[/QUOTE] That doesn't seem to be the case here. Sony seems to be protecting and insulating Dr. Luke pretty well. Is there any indication that is life is being ruined?
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;49778567]Didn't I JUST say we should investigate the allegation? I did not say ignore it. I want this to be decided by a judge in a court of law based upon factual evidence. Shit like #SonySupportsRape runs in direct opposition to a fair trial. People on social media are already making up their minds on the case and we haven't even heard a damn guilty verdict. If he DID rape her, by all means throw the fucking book at him. If not, then the charges need to be dropped. There's one thing I hate more than rape and that's false rape allegations.[/QUOTE] Though I understand your hatred for false allegations, I think you should adopt a more realistic perspective. #SonySupportsRape could tarnish their reputation, but at the end of the day, people won't stop buying or using their stuff. At MOST they'll see a 0.005% drop in annual profits because of this. It's not a big deal. Same goes for Dr. Luke. He will keep producing for popular artists, keep receiving royalties from his already released hits and keep living the comfortable life he's been living [I]if[/I] the rape accusation turns out to be false. On the other hand, the tag raises awareness for Kesha's situation. More people will support Kesha however they can, which is all she can get by law, apparently. If the #FreeKesha tag amasses more recognition, which causes Sony to willingly release Kesha, then that'll be great. Sony will most likely not drop Dr. Luke any time soon [I]unless[/I] legitimate evidence states that he's a rapist. So there's really no need to be so protective over Dr. Luke. I think Kesha'll have to appear in court again in May (this time to decide if Luke really is a rapist or not). Maybe then this case will finally see closure.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49778597]I get the feeling you don't quite understand what I'm getting at This post is disgustingly wrong: According to what you said here we [I]should be dismissing Kesha as a liar[/I] because any other option would be the same as holding the producer guilty. Think about that for a second. It's mind-boggling that you're touting around this 'innocent before proven guilty' narrative while [I]completely oblivious[/I] to the fact you just said we should hold Kesha guilty before proven innocent[/QUOTE] Ok then let me correct myself and clarify this for everyone. I want justice to be served. Is that clear enough for everyone? I apologize for giving everyone the impression that I support dismissing her claims. I just want to make sure the right person gets what's coming to them. Based on a fair trial and due process. I just don't believe in IMMEDIATELY assuming guilt on Luke's part because "listen and believe."
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49778597]It's mind-boggling that you're touting around this 'innocent before proven guilty' narrative while [I]completely oblivious[/I] to the fact you just said we should hold Kesha guilty before proven innocent[/QUOTE] I am only speaking for myself, but people should understand that not automatically siding with Kesha is not the same as automatically siding with Dr. Luke and Sony. Some people are just acknowledging that, as the facts are presented right now, Kesha's case is weak and without the aid of many, many assumptions, we cannot prove whether or not her allegations about past and future effects are true. This is not the same as saying Dr. Luke is an innocent saint who would never hurt a fly, or that Sony is blameless in any sort of wrongdoing. This is just pointing out that it's intellectually dishonest to believe claims without proof, no matter the context. All we can do is suspect.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;49779737]I am only speaking for myself, but people should understand that not automatically siding with Kesha is not the same as automatically siding with Dr. Luke and Sony. Some people are just acknowledging that, as the facts are presented right now, Kesha's case is weak and without the aid of many, many assumptions, we cannot prove whether or not her allegations about past and future effects are true. This is not the same as saying Dr. Luke is an innocent saint who would never hurt a fly, or that Sony is blameless in any sort of wrongdoing. This is just pointing out that it's intellectually dishonest to believe claims without proof, no matter the context. All we can do is suspect.[/QUOTE] Thank you! This post. This post so much. Very curious to see where this case is headed.
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