• Kesha sobs as judge refuses to cancel contract with producer Dr. Luke who allegedly raped her in 200
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[QUOTE=Solo Wing;49785237]Ok people. Assuming Luke is guilty is wrong. Assuming Kesha is a complete liar and that her claims should be dismissed is equally wrong. Can we stop fucking assuming shit and wait for a verdict please? Kesha's case doesn't look good, but that's up to a judge and jury to decide.[/QUOTE] Why do people feel like they must take sides no matter what? Do people see nothing wrong with taking sides based purely on speculation and personal feelings? You don't have to pick a side. Why do you choose to do it anyway?
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;49785283]Why do people feel like they must take sides no matter what? Do people see nothing wrong with taking sides based purely on speculation and personal feelings? You don't have to pick a side. Why do you choose to do it anyway?[/QUOTE] Read up on Pascal. When he wrote about the existence of God, he says how reason is limited. There is no way of knowing if he exists or not. The rational answer is to not pick a side, but we are naturally inclined to, therefore we can only bet. This is pretty much all we do in such a case. We don't know if the accuser is lying, we don't know if the defendant is guilty, therefore the right answer is to assume that they're both saying the truth, but this is not a satisfactory answer as one of the sides must negate the other. We can only bet
[QUOTE=Tools;49780273]Kesha is about as sexually classy as Paris Hilton, I bet half the studio's been there while she recorded those awful "im so wild and free wauuuuuuuw~" singles[/QUOTE] Okay and This has literally nothing to do with the case Also what's an act
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49778597]I get the feeling you don't quite understand what I'm getting at This post is disgustingly wrong: According to what you said here we [I]should be dismissing Kesha as a liar[/I] because any other option would be the same as holding the producer guilty. Think about that for a second. It's mind-boggling that you're touting around this 'innocent before proven guilty' narrative while [I]completely oblivious[/I] to the fact you just said we should hold Kesha guilty before proven innocent[/QUOTE] The proof needs to come from the accuser, that's where you're getting confused.
[QUOTE=Swilly;49785608]The proof needs to come from the accuser, that's where you're getting confused.[/QUOTE] wtf when did i ever say it didn't?
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49785623]wtf when did i ever say it didn't?[/QUOTE] I dunno, how did you pull out that Solo Wing wanted to call Kesha a liar?
[QUOTE=Swilly;49785646]I dunno, how did you pull out that Solo Wing wanted to call Kesha a liar?[/QUOTE] Been over this but whatever [QUOTE=Solo Wing;49778399]People keep saying that we should not dismiss Kesha's allegations as false, [B]but that also means assuming Dr Luke is guilty before PROVEN guilty[/B]. How do you not see anything wrong with this?[/QUOTE] If "[I]not[/I] dismissing Kesha's allegations as false" equals "assuming Luke is guilty before proven guilty", this means dismissing is the right way to go, according to that line. I honestly can't believe I have to point this out more than once. edit: and let me say, yet again, that I don't have a problem with anything else he said.
[QUOTE=D3N1ZFTW;49784813][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemosabe_Records"]She's signed to Kemosabe Records[/URL]. Labels do 99% of the promotional and distributional work. And Luke's the owner of the label she's signed to. Sony's offer only allows Kesha to have other people produce her songs, but they didn't say that Luke won't be able to decide what Kesha can release or not.[/QUOTE] Except nothing corroborates your statement. Instead she's claiming Sony will refuse to promote her, or at least her lawyers are claiming this. So please get a source to your claim. On top of that, she has past history of breaching contracts with labels she's signed on to.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49785768]Been over this but whatever If "[I]not[/I] dismissing Kesha's allegations as false" equals "assuming Luke is guilty before proven guilty", this means dismissing is the right way to go, according to that line. I honestly can't believe I have to point this out more than once. edit: and let me say, yet again, that I don't have a problem with anything else he said.[/QUOTE] I apologize for that. Wasn't entirely coherent at the time of that post. Dismissing is not the right way to go, but neither is a straight assumption of guilt. Things like #SonySupportsRape shows that people are making their minds up on the case before its even concluded. Entertain the possibility for a second that Luke is innocent. A rep as a rapist would ruin him, and not to mention tarnish Sony. As I said before, if he IS guilty, throw the book at him. But I want that to be decided by a fair trial. Not by the god damn court of public opinion.
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