• Jerry Seinfeld: Political Correctness Will Destroy Comedy
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[QUOTE=Winner;47909113]excuse me what "racist shit" have you had to deal with as a white male[/QUOTE] Being beat up, made fun of, harassed on a constant basis. It's what happens when you're the fucking little guy.
[QUOTE=Killuah;47909126]no you are supposed to acknowledge that black/ethnic/asian assholes are assholes not matter their ethnicity. they are assholes because they are dumb idiots, not because they are a "different race"[/QUOTE] What? Race is only a descriptive factor here with my posts. They're assholes but not because they're different from me.
[QUOTE=Rocket;47909131]You face advantages in life because you're white. One might say they're "privileges." You can be dirt poor and still have privilege. That doesn't mean your life is easy, or that your life is better than a rich black person, but you still have privilege due to your race. [editline]8th June 2015[/editline] i'm done with this. god damn.[/QUOTE] Okay so me and everyone else on this forum understands white privilege and acknowledges that it exists, you'd be an idiot not to. But you're actively using it as leverage to be a racist dickhead which is not what it's about.
[QUOTE=Rocket;47909131]You face advantages in life because you're white. One might say they're "privileges." You can be dirt poor and still have privilege. That doesn't mean your life is easy, or that your life is better than a rich black person, but you still have privilege due to your race.[/QUOTE] Can't wait to see you in threads arguing for shared wealth, or arguing in favor of a white person who's beaten up because they're white, or arguing in favor of a man who is offended because a bunch of women harass him in public. Oh wait, you have no intention to because you don't actually give a fuck about equal opportunities or making life easier for everybody, you only give a shit about denouncing white people and white men for every little thing they do and say.
You know what's racist and sexist? Racism and sexism. You know what isn't racist and sexism? Everything else. I don't understand this thought process that we have now, we're so fucking caught up in ~feeling all nice and superior like we're making the world a better place because we told that mean man he can't say nigger or cunt~, but it's bullshit. Do you really think Jerry Seinfeld sits in his room thinking "Oh man those niggers bring back slavery god dammit I hate women"? Of course he doesn't. Do you really think Carlin or Louis CK or any other comedian sees a black guy on the street and thinks of them as inferior? No. So what's the fucking problem? There is no hatred going on here, just guys telling jokes. You're completely missing the problem of racism and sexism and focusing on the entirely wrong thing. The problem of racism and sexism are that they're awful bigotries that suppresses entire races and sexes. The problem is not saying the word nigger, or kike, or spic, or bitch. It's not the way we talk, it's the way we think. There is no malicious thoughts like that in Jerry Seinfeld's head, so what's the fucking problem? Any time you see someone say something like that, you need to actually think, say "Do I think that it's reasonably possible that this person is racist?" You'll find that more often than not, the answer is completely no.
[QUOTE=Rocket;47909131]You face advantages in life because you're white. One might say they're "privileges." You can be dirt poor and still have privilege. That doesn't mean your life is easy, or that your life is better than a rich black person, but you still have privilege due to your race. [editline]8th June 2015[/editline] i'm done with this. god damn.[/QUOTE] Honestly, fuck you and your thought of "privilege".
[QUOTE=Rocket;47909105]Anti-semitism is not racism since it's not dependant on race. Judaism is a religion and anti-semitists hate all people of the religion, not semitic jews. Despite the name.[/QUOTE] Today, the word "Semite" may be used to refer to any member of any of a number of peoples of ancient Middle East including the Akkadians, Assyrians, Arameans, Phoenicians, Hebrews (Jews), Arabs, and their descendants.[2] source: i spent 5 seconds looking it up instead of posting without looking up what im talking about
[QUOTE=Rocket;47909105]Anti-semitism is not racism since it's not dependant on race. Judaism is a religion and anti-semitists hate all people of the religion, not semitic jews. Despite the name.[/QUOTE] haha about that: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_antisemitism[/url] The entire Holocaust was done based on the fact they were a race, not the religion.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;47909145]What? Race is only a descriptive factor here with my posts. They're assholes but not because they're different from me.[/QUOTE] then why make this a " i am white vs they are not" example here: [quote]racist shit given to me as a white person by others of different ethnicities just because I'm white?[/quote]
[QUOTE=ossumsauce;47908839]dude you're literally just saying this because you want to look like the cool, hip, new age dude that is extra self-aware of how all white people are racists and all men are sexists and now that someone has called you out on how wrong you are you're trying to smugly assert that you know better than them about Seinfeld which is clearly false since you've obviously never listened to his comedy before, so you're really just spouting pre-conceived notions about what someone like Seinfeld MUST BE(as a white, middle aged man) instead of actually looking at who he is and why he said what he did in short, you're single-handedly proving his point.[/QUOTE] wow! you got all that from one post! you're like a palm reader or something! I think people need to be more intelligent when it comes to their emotions. Just because something brings up a negative response doesn't mean that that response was the intention. And if these guys are at comedy clubs they should realize that the intention will always be humour, not to keep the kyriarchy(sp) stable and to shit down the mouths of minorities. like there's always a context that needs to be taken into consideration with this stuff. I wouldn't want a politician to be spouting eddie murphy's "nothing like a country of faggots coming after you" monologue but i absolutely love murphy's Raw show. Murphy IS saying heaps of homophobic shit but he's not doing it to rile up the masses and get them to lynch the gays, he's just trying to get his audience to laugh. I dunno. I guess the main problem that the college kids or "PC GONE MAD SJWS" probably have with exclusionary humour is that they see every action within the cultural setting as an influence onto that culture and I dunno maybe they're right but no matter how funny I find eddie murphy's stand up, I would never aim to exclude homosexuals and am 100% pro gay rights. So unless it's a subconscious type of bigotry which 'offensive' comedy puts into us then I don't see a real point to protesting it. (which noone seems to actually be doing anyhow)
Is that Rocket person even real? Can we have an interesting discussion about this now instead of a shallow debate on racism and white privileges when I thought this was going to be a thread on the state of comedy and comedians careers?
It's my observation that "SJW humor" is about the same as "Republican humor", in that neither exist because neither are capable of joking.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;47908766]Mainstream comedy is less politically correct than it's ever been, this is just a bunch of baseless scaremongering.[/QUOTE] You forget that just about everybody on this forum is too young to remember the 'POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD???' furor of the late 80s, or how conservatives and the Bush Sr. administration leaped upon it immediately after the collapse of the Soviets to decry the rising tide of liberal academia undermining free speech and Americana, let alone that 'politically incorrect' standup routines started in the mid-90s as a response to the perceived assault on free speech by the academic elite. Hand-wringing and sky-is-falling op-eds and scare quotes. Not a lot of substance, nothing new we haven't seen before. These things come and go.
I think this thread, more than anything, proves Seinfeld's point about how toxic 'political correctness' is.
Wait but guys what about black comedians who make racial jokes about their own race?
[QUOTE=Winner;47909187]well that sucks man and i'm sorry so it applies to you less, but understand that the majoirty of white people in america are inherently at a social and professional advantage bc of their race - and that's definitely the case for jerry seinfeld[/QUOTE] that's why there need to be more jokes about this
[QUOTE=Kinglah Crab;47908614]old white man upset he's not allowed to say racist shit anymore. more at 12[/QUOTE] Don't worry, your post will be directed towards the closest person of a minority so they see you're doin' good!
Ah, "political correctness," one of the many boogymen created by ultra right-wing racists to justify being able to say racist and hateful things without fear of being called out for being racist hate mongerers. If you say something offensive, people have a right to call you out on that. Its not some liberal conspiracy. Its free fucking speech.
[QUOTE=Killuah;47909177]then why make this a " i am white vs they are not" example here:[/QUOTE] Because he was saying that as a white person, I would not experience racism akin to what others of different ethnicity would experience, and in my life my experiences have shown this to not be true. Again, it was a descriptive factor.
[QUOTE=Rocket;47909105]Anti-semitism is not racism since it's not dependant on race. Judaism is a religion and anti-semitists hate all people of the religion, not semitic jews. Despite the name.[/QUOTE] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people]Hello[/url] Literally I've never heard something as fucking stupid as what you've just said
[QUOTE=Kinglah Crab;47909063]some black people called me a cracker once, reverse racism is real[/QUOTE] You seem like the kind of person who would have complained to the CBC that Air Farce was committing "cultural appropriation" when they parodied Gangnam Style a few years ago for their New Year's special. Also, as a Canadian, if you tell me you've never made fun of Americans simply because they're American, then you'd be lying through your teeth. It's a national passtime, and it's basically the same shit as this kind of comedy you seem to have such a problem with.
[QUOTE=Kinglah Crab;47908614]old white man upset he's not allowed to say racist shit anymore. more at 12[/QUOTE] Student aged liberal white male offended on the behalf of women, homosexuals, transsexuals, the disabled and racial minorities. more at 12
[QUOTE=Rocket;47909105]Anti-semitism is not racism since it's not dependant on race. Judaism is a religion and anti-semitists hate all people of the religion, not semitic jews. Despite the name.[/QUOTE] as a non religious Jew who has experienced antisemitism I would say that it's not the religion people have a problem with usually
[QUOTE=catbarf;47909193]You forget that just about everybody on this forum is too young to remember the 'POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD???' furor of the late 80s, or how conservatives and the Bush Sr. administration leaped upon it immediately after the collapse of the Soviets to decry the rising tide of liberal academia undermining free speech and Americana, let alone that 'politically incorrect' standup routines started in the mid-90s as a response to the perceived assault on free speech by the academic elite. Hand-wringing and sky-is-falling op-eds and scare quotes. Not a lot of substance, nothing new we haven't seen before. These things come and go.[/QUOTE] This so much In fact why should comedians give a fuck about a bunch of college kids who are growing up? In the 80s they had an army of POLITICIANS WIVES trying to censor these people. How about Comedians stop aiming their shows towards a bunch of kids and stay with a demographic that might actually understand the material? I think comedians who are complaining about this because the college areas are probably more buzzing for standup comedy? Honestly, I think shitty standup comedians are ruining comedy.
[QUOTE=Winner;47909187]well that sucks man and i'm sorry so it applies to you less, but understand that the majoirty of white people in america are inherently at a social and professional advantage bc of their race - and that's definitely the case for jerry seinfeld[/QUOTE] And while I will agree to an extent, blindly applying this logic to EVERY white person is fucking stupid, and I hate it.
[QUOTE=Rocket;47909131]You face advantages in life because you're white. One might say they're "privileges." You can be dirt poor and still have privilege. That doesn't mean your life is easy, or that your life is better than a rich black person, but you still have privilege due to your race. [editline]8th June 2015[/editline] i'm done with this. god damn.[/QUOTE] What's the problem with privilege? Speaking as someone from a heavily subjugated group of people (transgendered people), I don't see it as a problem that a white man can walk through security with no suspicion and a black man can't go through without questions and checks. I see it as a problem that the black dude can't go through without questions and checks. In other words, the problem isn't that white people have things more fair and easy than everyone else, it's that other people don't have things fair and easy. Having things isn't a fault, it doesn't make you worse than other people and it doesn't make your opinions or thoughts less valid and it definitely doesn't mean you should take shit that other people say for granted because they don't. We shouldn't be condemning people because they don't have things as shit as we do. It's not about the privileges you have, it's about the privileges you don't.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;47909207]Because he was saying that as a white person, I would not experience racism akin to what others of different ethnicity would experience, and in my life my experiences have shown this to not be true. Again, it was a descriptive factor.[/QUOTE] oh ok, yeah no other ethnicities have racism problems too, it'd be stupid to deny that. we cool
[QUOTE=Monkah;47909194]I think this thread, more than anything, proves Seinfeld's point about how toxic 'political correctness' is.[/QUOTE] Political Correctness isn't toxic. Just like offensive jokes aren't toxic. There are just people who use them for toxic things. There are racist scum fucks who use 'dead nigger' jokes to reduce the deaths of black people to a joke, just as there are silly internet people who use the idea of political correctness to build up their own sort of "I'm more tolerant than you" ego. And then toxic is just your own subjective view on the shit. Some people take the PC as a necessary cultural progression for an inclusive society while others call it "Cultural Marxism". Mostly I think people should just calm down.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;47909230]as a non religious Jew who has experienced antisemitism I would say that it's not the religion people have a problem with usually[/QUOTE] white people are so fucking racist they have to create subgroups of white people just to be racist towards them. Wait, shit, I'm not allowed to make racial comedy anymore
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;47909225]You seem like the kind of person who would have complained to the CBC that Air Farce was committing "cultural appropriation" when they parodied Gangnam Style a few years ago for their New Year's special. Also, as a Canadian, if you tell me you've never made fun of Americans simply because they're American, then you'd be lying through your teeth. It's a national passtime, and it's basically the same shit as this kind of comedy you seem to have such a problem with.[/QUOTE] "american" is not a race
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