Millions sign petition urging Electoral College to elect Hillary Clinton
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Even if they elected Hilary there would be riots, probably worse.
[QUOTE=/dev/sda1;51357004]ok, but its not necessarily conversion to a different sexual orientation like "praying the gay away" or something. its very vague[/QUOTE]
that's literally actually genuinley imperically 100% beyond all reasonable doubt exactly what it is
you have to be consciously trying to not see that
[QUOTE=/dev/sda1;51357004]ok, but its not necessarily conversion to a different sexual orientation like "praying the gay away" or something. its very vague[/QUOTE]
You're fighting a losing battle dude, there's no way to make anything involving "gay therapy" anything less than awful. Whether it's electroshock, counseling or just "changing their behavior", it's really awful and you're splitting hairs trying to talk down how bad it is.
Everyone does realise by doing this everyone will be utterly fucked, right?
Ya'll should get rid of the Electoral College... next election.
[QUOTE=pentium;51356736]Give it up you lost. lol
Try again in four years.[/QUOTE]
Nobody wants Hillary. The DNC and the Democrats at large need to realize they fucked up. Grandly. They had a real chance to win and they threw it out to divide the country by pandering to minorities for their dark queen. I voted for Hillary not because I ever wanted Hillary, but because the people behind Trump scared me. If Hillary was pushed again in 2020, I'll genuinely just go the other way and vote against them just to fucking bury the DNC.
[QUOTE=srobins;51357034]You're fighting a losing battle dude, there's no way to make anything involving "gay therapy" anything less than awful. Whether it's electroshock, counseling or just "changing their behavior", it's really awful and you're splitting hairs trying to talk down how bad it is.[/QUOTE]
No what he is saying is completely logical.
If I was straight I can change my sexual behavior to gay, but still keep my orientation straight so if I sleep around with men, I don't have to say "No homo" anymore since my orientation is still straight.
[QUOTE=/dev/sda1;51357004]ok, but its not necessarily conversion to a different sexual orientation like "praying the gay away" or something. its very vague[/QUOTE]
You are embarrassing yourself. Stop while you're behind.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51357051]No what he is saying is completely logical.
If I was straight I can change my sexual behavior to gay, but still keep my orientation straight so if I sleep around with men, I don't have to say "No homo" anymore since my orientation is still straight.[/QUOTE]
thus, it isn't a sin
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51357051]No what he is saying is completely logical.
If I was straight I can change my sexual behavior to gay, but still keep my orientation straight so if I sleep around with men, I don't have to say "No homo" anymore since my orientation is still straight.[/QUOTE]
is this some sort of zinger or
[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;51357008]One of many reasons
[video=youtube;ip3QNCzSsrw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip3QNCzSsrw[/video]
It's a damn good thing she doesn't stand a chance anymore even though that meant Trump getting elected.[/QUOTE]
Seriously hillary isn't really much more of a warmongerer than any other politician, even trump.
[URL="http://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-us-should-shoot-russian-planes-if-putin-calls-fail-454902"]http://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-us-should-shoot-russian-planes-if-putin-calls-fail-454902
[/URL][QUOTE=Ridge;51356987]"We lost, so we ask that you forgo democracy so we can get our way"[/QUOTE]
Beautiful doublethink
[QUOTE=/dev/sda1;51357077]is this some sort of zinger or[/QUOTE]
he advocated for sexual conversion therapy, it really doesn't matter if you want to split hairs about the application of electroshock therapy in that process because it's not central to the concept of a conversion camp, which mike pence has supported
[QUOTE=ph:lxyz;51356970]It's interesting that the same people who think the electoral college process is broken because it doesn't work via direct democracy are the same people who don't want direct democracy to override parliamentary sovereignty in the UK with regard to Brexit. Can't have it both ways. Hillary + Brexit or Trump + Remain. Pick your poison.[/QUOTE]
I don't think they are 1:1 comparable like that. The Brexit poll was stated to be non-binding from the get-go, whereas the voting process on election day is not.
This isn't how democracy works. Trump won fair and square. I may not like the guy, but that's how things work. If something changed every time a bunch of people have a hissy fit things would be even worse. Accept the fact that Hillary lost and move on.
I flat out think this is a bad idea and shouldn't be acknowledged even if I think Donald Trump shouldn't be president of trash cans let alone of the USA.
It sets a bad precedent for government and the process in which we elect people. Yeah how it's done is already bad, the existence of the electoral college is a confusing situation that isn't going to be easily solved by just simply removing it flat out which is a very hard thing to do anyways.
I honestly don't see many great ways forward from here. We kind of just have to deal with the fact that Trump won, he ran a horrible mess of a campaign that was based around pandering and hatred and insults but he won because the left was apparently too stupid and too dimwitted to see what was coming and what role they played in all of that.
The left is already ramping itself up for the same bullshit all over again, and they clearly aren't going to listen to the music that's playing loud and clear. Shit has to change.
I just don't think this is the right way to approach the change but it sure beats rioting.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51357083]he advocated for sexual conversion therapy, it really doesn't matter if you want to split hairs about the application of electroshock therapy in that process because it's not central to the concept of a conversion camp, which mike pence has supported[/QUOTE]
do you just not read posts or
[editline]11th November 2016[/editline]
im not saying pence is not anti-lgbt
trump is, unfortunately, a needed wakeup call for the democratic party as a whole, that someone like Hillary, a moderate republican-lite, isn't going to work. yea, he will probably fuck a lot of things up, but nothing is completely set in stone, things can change in the future, and the DNC and the party needs to get their act together and put out a good candidate that isn't as corrupt as the other side is. Putting Hillary in now is just going to make things worse by a huge degree.
[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;51357008]One of many reasons
[video=youtube;ip3QNCzSsrw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip3QNCzSsrw[/video]
It's a damn good thing she doesn't stand a chance anymore even though that meant Trump getting elected.[/QUOTE]
Is there a version of this without the convenient potentially context-altering jump-cut?
[QUOTE=/dev/sda1;51357128]do you just not read posts or[/QUOTE]
Yeah and it's pretty clear you're either being intentionally ignorant or unwilling to learn.
Conversion camps are generally highly christian camps where highly religious parents send their "sexually confused" kids if they don't cut out their behaviour(of being the sexuality they were born/developed with). Whether they include electroshock therapy, as your [B]entire[/B] point here hinges on is entirely, totally, irrelevant. They are camps where they try and remove the gay elements from people. No matter how they do it, this has been shown to be harmful for that group of people subjected to it, often causing long lasting trauma
Now, does that explanation fulfill any of your requirements to continue this discussion in a serious and earnest manner?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51357146]
Now, does that explanation fulfill any of your requirements to continue this discussion in a serious and earnest manner?[/QUOTE]
no, you still havent read my posts
[QUOTE=/dev/sda1;51357149]no, you still havent read my posts[/QUOTE]
I have.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51357153]I have.[/QUOTE]
all of them? even the one where i said he wasnt supporting ANY kind of pray the gay away camps, let alone electroshock therapy? the one where i linked snopes who also agrees that what he wrote was a bit too vague to draw any reasonable conclusion from?
So the Democrats want to exploit a loophole in our constitution, the very bedrock upon which this country was founded, just because they didn't get their way?
That's so ridiculously anti American.
your entire argument hinges on a euphemism for the term.
That's all your basing this on. I just re read all your posts.
The optimal thing to do would be give Trump the presidency as he won as the system was established during this campaign and change how the electoral college works (or remove it entirely) for 2020 or even 2024. I haven't seen a solid argument as to why we shouldn't just use the popular vote, which becomes pointless if someone with ~400,000 less votes wins a democratic election. Might as well skip all the hassle and have the president elected straight by the college or committee.
[QUOTE=/dev/sda1;51357155]all of them? even the one where i said he wasnt supporting ANY kind of pray the gay away camps, let alone electroshock therapy? the one where i linked snopes who also agrees that what he wrote was a bit too vague to draw any reasonable conclusion from?[/QUOTE]
you did say that, and it was proven untrue multiple times
[QUOTE=Judas;51357160]you did say that, and it was proven untrue multiple times[/QUOTE]
your "proof" looks a lot like a guess based on a (maybe intentionally) vague sentence
[QUOTE=Smoot;51357156]So the Democrats want to exploit a loophole in our constitution, the very bedrock upon which this country was founded, just because they didn't get their way?
That's so ridiculously anti American.[/QUOTE]
Because just accepting a bigoted idiot as your leader who wants to build a wall to keep out Mexicans is so much more American.
[QUOTE=Smoot;51357156]So the Democrats want to exploit a loophole in our constitution, the very bedrock upon which this country was founded, just because they didn't get their way?
That's so ridiculously anti American.[/QUOTE]
It's not a loophole, it's literally how the system was intended to be used
Federalist 68 covers it I think, take a gander.
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“Mr. Trump is unfit to serve. His scapegoating of so many Americans, and his impulsivity, bullying, lying, admitted history of sexual assault, and utter lack of experience make him a danger to the Republic,” wrote Elijah Berg[/QUOTE]
Yeah this argument doesn't work. I mean he is mostly right but what he is describing is what the people voted for.
[QUOTE=Tomo Takino;51357164]Because just accepting a bigoted idiot as your leader who wants to build a wall to keep out Mexicans is so much more American.[/QUOTE]
i think you mean illegal immigrants, not all Mexicans?
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