Millions sign petition urging Electoral College to elect Hillary Clinton
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[QUOTE=/dev/sda1;51357155]all of them? even the one where i said he wasnt supporting ANY kind of pray the gay away camps, let alone electroshock therapy? the one where i linked snopes who also agrees that what he wrote was a bit too vague to draw any reasonable conclusion from?[/QUOTE]
The article you quoted does not say "Too vague".
It says its not in the platform.
Again, this is you believing that a euphemism changes the reality of the situation.
People dress up shitty things with nicer words all the time. Why are you so ready to buy it in this situation as something that is harmless or whatever angle you're trying to push here.
[QUOTE=/dev/sda1;51357172]i think you mean illegal immigrants, not all Mexicans?[/QUOTE]
I'm not deluded enough to think he's going to keep out illegal immigrants.
[QUOTE=/dev/sda1;51357163]your "proof" looks a lot like a guess based on a (maybe intentionally) vague sentence[/QUOTE]
Your "proof" is that people are using a nicer word to catch less flak for their actions or desires.
Mike Pence supported measures of "therapy" for those with sexual behaviours he disagrees with.
[QUOTE=/dev/sda1;51357172]i think you mean illegal immigrants, not all Mexicans?[/QUOTE]
It's just a dogwhistle plan anyways to appeal to racists, immigrants mostly don't come by hopping over the border, but by overstaying visas. Trump knows that
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;51357186]It is how the system was intended to be used. The question is.. who do you want to shit on? The people who lost the electoral vote, or the people who won? Do you want to set the precedent that "You guys didn't know what you're talking about, we're gonna do whatever we want"? Because if you set that precedent.. just realize it's going to be used by the opposing side later on.. we've got trump, he seems to be swinging back to moderate (just like everyone who had a brain realized he'd do), do you want to give the presidency to hillary.. and then in 4 years watch an even MORE extreme version of trump to come around, and thanks to electoral college fuckery, win? Because that could very well happen if the electoral college goes out and votes on, as I like to call "feels not reals".[/QUOTE]
Trump was elected on feels not reals. I'm not really in favour of keeping the system, but you could argue that its good to keep because the discretion of the electors can save the country from fucking itself by a fit of hysteria abused by a demagogue to achieve power.
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Again, this is you believing that a euphemism changes the reality of the situation.[/QUOTE]
sorry, i don't believe that the phrase "changing ones sexual behaviour" can only refer to conversion therapy, i think there can be another legitimate meaning
[QUOTE=/dev/sda1;51357191]sorry, i don't believe that the phrase "changing ones sexual behaviour" can only refer to conversion therapy, i think there can be another legitimate meaning[/QUOTE]
In the abstract sense perhaps but if you look at the history of what these people mean
they mean conversion therapy
Open bigotry is shunned. What do you think mike pence said when trying to legalize discrimination against LGBT people in his state? Did he say that the faggots need to be put in their place? Hell no, he said that he just doesn't want them to have more rights than anyone else and that he wants to protect religious freedom
[QUOTE=ph:lxyz;51356970]It's interesting that the same people who think the electoral college process is broken because it doesn't work via direct democracy are the same people who don't want direct democracy to override parliamentary sovereignty in the UK with regard to Brexit. Can't have it both ways. Hillary + Brexit or Trump + Remain. Pick your poison.[/QUOTE]
One is a permanent decision to break from the status quo and takes apart decades of work, and one is a decision over which leader to pick for the next 4 years with no status quo. The direct comparison would be a constitutional amendment, which, btw, does require more than just a simple majority.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;51357207]At the same time, a fit of hysteria is what's causing this whole petition. People are literally saying that come January 21st, there's going to be some mass gay round up, or some mass muslim execution, or some law passed that forces women into the kitchen. None of which is true, in the slightest. People are treating this election like some thermonuclear bomb is going to explode on the 21st.[/QUOTE] I haven't seen anyone make that claim. The claim is that he panders to bigotry, legitimizing it, and offers up plans that are both unsustainable even in the short term and incredibly damaging to the country (his economics) and oppressive to marginalized groups such as those mentioned.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;51357207]At the same time, a fit of hysteria is what's causing this whole petition. People are literally saying that come January 21st, there's going to be some mass gay round up, or some mass muslim execution, or some law passed that forces women into the kitchen. None of which is true, in the slightest. People are treating this election like some thermonuclear bomb is going to explode on the 21st.[/QUOTE]
Who is saying this.
[QUOTE=/dev/sda1;51357191]sorry, i don't believe that the phrase "changing ones sexual behaviour" can only refer to conversion therapy, i think there can be another legitimate meaning[/QUOTE]
Perhaps but not in this context
[editline]11th November 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;51357207]At the same time, a fit of hysteria is what's causing this whole petition. People are literally saying that come January 21st, there's going to be some mass gay round up, or some mass muslim execution, or some law passed that forces women into the kitchen. None of which is true, in the slightest. People are treating this election like some thermonuclear bomb is going to explode on the 21st.[/QUOTE]
No, no one is claiming that.
Personally, I just think he emboldens the bigots that did vote for him, and the rest of the voter base that selected him who is relatively sane and intelligent enough to not hold those views are going to be realizing that sometime in the next two years.
I don't think the nation is doomed, I think it's going to suffer massively though. From the ensuing riots that have started on the left, and will cause reactions on the right, causing more escalations and making the nation a scarier place. I don't see a de-escalation of the violence or rhetoric coming from Trump or under Trump. Lets be honest about that.
[QUOTE=/dev/sda1;51357077]is this some sort of zinger or[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=/dev/sda1;51356948]changing how one practices sex is not equal to conversion therapy?
it says changing their sexual behavior... not orientation.[/QUOTE]
explain the difference between sexual behavior and sexual orientation
explain what is changing sexual behavior, and explain what is changing sexual orientation
wow 3 million that's like 1/4 of California.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;51357255]To be fair, I don't hear hillary/the DNC calling out to the people to stop the violence.[/QUOTE]
No, and they're giant parts of the problem and likely will stay that way if this is any indication of their intentions which spells out bad things for everyone.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;51357286]I mean, we can calm down and stop burning things, and let the next 4 years happen. Or we can overturn the vote in the electoral college.. and start the cycle of burning things again, only this time people will have a slightly more legit argument.[/QUOTE]
hence all my posts.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;51357286]I mean, we can calm down and stop burning things, and let the next 4 years happen. Or we can overturn the vote in the electoral college.. and start the cycle of burning things again, only this time people will have a slightly more legit argument.[/QUOTE]
It's not really slightly more legit.
Hillary won popular vote
The intent of the electoral college is the prevent people like trump.
And Trump's supporters aren't at risk of having their rights stripped away
I thought he was the law and order candidate?
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;51357307]The popular vote doesn't mean shit, and you know it. If the electoral college is to act, then the popular vote doesn't mean a damn thing, and the electoral college is the end all be all of voting. Trump won the electoral college. You can't say "let the popular vote matter" and in the same sentence say "but let the electoral college do its job".[/QUOTE]
With the way the system works, the electors are supposed to work it out. The popular vote is something they would take into consideration, if they actually did debate electing Hillary.
[QUOTE=ph:lxyz;51356970]It's interesting that the same people who think the electoral college process is broken because it doesn't work via direct democracy are the same people who don't want direct democracy to override parliamentary sovereignty in the UK with regard to Brexit. Can't have it both ways. Hillary + Brexit or Trump + Remain. Pick your poison.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Thlis;51356971]I can't help but wonder how many people say "The majority were for Clinton by 160,000" but also say that "1.9% (1,250,000 votes) isn't enough of a margin" for Brexit.
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to be fair the argument for brexit was that the decision should never have been left to the general public and instead should be left to the parliament to decide, just like our congress and senate create and vote on bills and shit
[QUOTE=Pascall;51356769]I see nothing wrong with this petition.[/QUOTE]
Then you fundamentally misunderstand the way presidential elections work in the United States.
The popular vote hasn't, and will never, be what chooses the next President of the United states.
[quote]Mr. Trump is unfit to serve. His scapegoating of so many Americans, and his impulsivity, bullying, lying, admitted history of sexual assault, and utter lack of experience make him a danger to the Republic.[/quote]
Unfit according to whom? This assumes everyone who voted for Hillary Clinton believes the above, which is obviously not the case. So at the end of the day this is just the opinion of some guy and a few million people who think Donald Trump is the only person who has lied, been impulsive, and bullied. (So far we're describing pretty everyone much over the age of 10).
As for openly admitting sexual assault, that's a complete lie. Sorry, it's not sexual assault if the other person lets you do it. (I assume we're talking about the pussy grabbing video?)
No one who ever runs for the office of the presidency is 'experienced'. Political experience helps but the whole point of running for the office of the President in the country is that ANYONE can be president (as long as you're older than 35 and were born in the United States).
This petition is bullshit and the fact that people can't let this go is so hypocritical that it's laughable. FOR WEEKS after the last debate, all we heard from the media and Hillary supporters was how DANGEROUS it would be for people to reject Trumps inevitable loss on election day.
Well guess what. We aren't the ones rioting in the street and acting like fucking babies. We didn't do it in 2008, and we didn't do it in 2012. Lose with grace. If you're scared for your life, arm yourself. It's your right as an American.
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As for openly admitting sexual assault, that's a complete lie. Sorry, it's not sexual assault of the other person lets you do it. (I assume we're talking about the pussy grabbing video?)
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The justice system draws the line at explicit consent
Also marginalized groups arming themselves usually causes more gun control and ire, see the black panthers
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51357389]The justice system draws the line at explicit consent[/QUOTE]
Good thing Trump hasn't been convicted, or even tried in our court system for sexual assault, then.
It's not valid to, after the contest is over, demand the rules be changed. Change them for the next contest, perhaps, in this case we could use an overhaul on the college and our voting system in general to instant runoff instead of fptp.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;51357391]Good thing Trump hasn't been convicted, or even tried in our court system for sexual assault, then.[/QUOTE]
The claim they made was that he had an admitted history
Also interesting about how Trump supporters will overlook that but bang on all day about hillary, where multiple investigations kept turning up with nothing
[QUOTE=Mattk50;51357392]It's not valid to, after the contest is over, demand the rules be changed. Change them for the next contest, perhaps, in this case we could use an overhaul on the college and our voting system in general to instant runoff instead of fptp.[/QUOTE]
This petition isn't demanding the rules be changed
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51357393]The claim they made was that he had an admitted history
Also interesting about how Trump supporters will overlook that but bang on all day about hillary, where multiple investigations kept turning up with nothing[/QUOTE]
An admitted history?
People coming out during an election cycle and claiming "this person raped me and assaulted me 25 years ago" doesn't count as an admitting history.
Sorry.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;51357399]An admitted history?
People coming out during an election cycle and claiming "this person raped me and assaulted me 25 years ago" doesn't count as an admitting history.
Sorry.[/QUOTE]
He admitted to groping
also A+ method of dismissing rape victims off the bat. Sure are contributing resolving the conditions that lead to victims often waiting so long
It's even better knowing that Hillary won the popular vote in the 2008 democratic primaries against Obama and still lost lmao
[QUOTE=wystan;51357405]It's even better knowing that Hillary won the popular vote in the 2008 democratic primaries against Obama and still lost lmao[/QUOTE]
My god she can't catch a break can she lmao
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51357400]He admitted to groping
also A+ method of dismissing rape victims off the bat. Sure are contributing resolving the conditions that lead to victims often waiting so long[/QUOTE]
He also said, on the same tape, that these people 'let you do what ever you want'.
I'm not condoning the behavior.
We have a legal system in this country that says 'innocent until proven guilty'. The burden of proof is on that of the accuser. Just because someone says 'rape' doesn't make the implication true or false. This narrative that we need to throw out the foundation of our entire justice system just because 'its offensive victim blaming' needs to stop, seriously.
[QUOTE=/dev/sda1;51356948]changing how one practices sex is not equal to conversion therapy?
it says changing their sexual behavior... not orientation.[/QUOTE]
yeah guys he doesnt want to convert gay people to straight using therapy, he just wants gay people to fuck as if they were straight using therapy
totally ethical guys trust me theres a world of difference here honest
[editline]11th November 2016[/editline]
also were not trying to paint the blue wall red, no sir, were just trying to make the blue wall look red using paint
yuge difference
[QUOTE=UziXxX;51357412]He also said, on the same tape, that these people 'let you do what ever you want'.
I'm not condoning the behavior.
We have a legal system in this country that says 'innocent until proven guilty'. The burden of proof is on that of the accuser. Just because someone says 'rape' doesn't make the implication true or false. This narrative that we need to throw out the foundation of our entire justice system just because 'its offensive victim blaming' needs to stop, seriously.[/QUOTE]
Let you do what you want does not imply explicit consent. He made it clear that they don't deny him because of his power. It's not an uncommon thing: in the workplace it's literally illegal because of how much of a problem it can be, and yes, that is still classified as a form of sexual harassment.
And we aren't doing that, I'm talking about how you framed your statements to imply that they're bullshit with the emphasis of the timing, in a way, passing judgement before it can get to court. That's the dismissal by implying it's immediately being done for personal gain, and that's what contributes to the state of victims often waiting to accuse, and accusing in a group right after another.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;51357412]He also said, on the same tape, that these people 'let you do what ever you want'.
I'm not condoning the behavior.
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By 'let you do what ever you want' he meant that he's effectively untouchable because any claim against him can be fought off by an army of lawyers or through any other method of coercion that a stack of cash will by. He doesn't have to do anything, the fear is enough.
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