• Millions sign petition urging Electoral College to elect Hillary Clinton
    312 replies, posted
[QUOTE=sannys;51358311]I actually think trump supporters would not protest in any major way if trump lost. [/QUOTE] I doubt it. Like I said, many constitutionally minded militia members might see a Clinton win as a sign the republic has ceased to function as intended. With as many scandals haunting Hillary, she would ve been seen as part of the establishment usurping the will of the people via corruption. They would've seen the Clinton win as high time to "refresh the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Why? A person with as little credibility and trust such as Clinton gaining office would've been seen as illegitimate. The last thing this nation needs a bunch of ex military, aiming to over throw the government.
This situation is very similar to brexit, the parliament (I think) still have to vote to leave the EU when Britain finally wants to leave, but can you imagine the shit storm that would occur if the electoral college or the parliament goes against election results? It would be fucking mayhem and result in even more hatred towards the system and the establishment which is today a big enough problem, people not trusting the politicians they elect.
[QUOTE=KingOfScience;51356784]Would like like to take that risk, or would you rather fight to get someone who doesn't brag about molesting women into the White House?[/QUOTE] Do you not believe in forgiveness? Do you think that once people say things, they believe what they say forever? That people cannot change? A lot can happen in a few years for a person. They can change drastically. Look at the candidates as humans and not caricatures of evil and malice, and you might be able to realize that he's probably not the same as he was back then.
[QUOTE=Komodoh;51358418]Yes, yes they are. They are literally crying and needing safe space therapy to cope with not getting their way. This kind of behavior should not be tolerated for the first election the majority of millennials are participating in. Man the fuck up, and move on.[/QUOTE] Man the fuck up over losing your rights huh? I should just man up that my relationship with my partner has lasted longer than the my right to marry my partner has been around, and the new administration has promised to strip me of. Man, where were you when the right thought Obama was going to come steal all their guns. Were you telling them to man up and deal with it? Were you calling them whiny babies when McCain and Romney voters were threatening to shoot anyone that came to take their guns? Or are you just being a hypocrite that lacks the ability to see from any other perspective? (Hint: I've seen your posts. Its the latter)
[QUOTE]Man the fuck up over losing your rights huh? I should just man up that my relationship with my partner has lasted longer than the my right to marry my partner has been around, and the new admi istration has promised to get rid of. [/QUOTE] I dont believe you care about rights. I doubt the left does. They use the guilt tripping and passive aggressive bullshit as a way to take, take and take. Once they take everything, is when the abuse sets in. Maybe if you cared so much about individual rights (you dont, you care about group rights) or gave a shit about compassion, it would be extended to all. Not just a few then set up riots in the streets when they don't get their way.
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51358531]I dont believe you care about rights. I doubt the left does. They use the guilt tripping and passive aggressive bullshit as a way to take, take and take. Once they take everything, is when the abuse sets in. Maybe if you cared so much about individual rights (you dont, you care about group rights) or gave a shit about compassion, it would be extended to all. Not just a few then set up riots in the streets when they don't get their way.[/QUOTE] What the fuck are you even going on about? Are you actually, seriously trying to say that I don't care that the next leaders of this country have promised to take away my right to marry my partner? Holy shit lol [editline]12th November 2016[/editline] How do I even respond to that? You actually think you know what I want better than I do? Is that what you have to resort to?
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51358531]I dont believe you care about rights. I doubt the left does. They use the guilt tripping and passive aggressive bullshit as a way to take, take and take. Once they take everything, is when the abuse sets in. Maybe if you cared so much about individual rights (you dont, you care about group rights) or gave a shit about compassion, it would be extended to all. Not just a few then set up riots in the streets when they don't get their way.[/QUOTE] You can't make sweeping generalizations about an entire political affiliation and expect anyone to feel bad when it happens to you too.
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51358531]I dont believe you care about rights. I doubt the left does. They use the guilt tripping and passive aggressive bullshit as a way to take, take and take. Once they take everything, is when the abuse sets in. Maybe if you cared so much about individual rights (you dont, you care about group rights) or gave a shit about compassion, it would be extended to all. Not just a few then set up riots in the streets when they don't get their way.[/QUOTE] Oh, the GOP! Nothing says compassion like forcing women to give birth (with no provision to provide for their progeny), defunding public schools, taxing the poor for foodstuffs and hygiene products, ...
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;51359284]Oh, the GOP! Nothing says compassion like forcing women to give birth (with no provision to provide for their progeny), defunding public schools, taxing the poor for foodstuffs and hygiene products, ...[/QUOTE] We're the party of small government! Now we're going to invade your personal life because we can't have you marrying someone we don't approve of, or having sex in a way we don't approve of, or having an operation done that we don't approve of. Aren't those pesky democrats just too invasive with their silly regulations? Yeah small government!
[QUOTE=pentium;51356736]Give it up you lost. lol Try again in four years.[/QUOTE] I posted outta anger, and shouldn't have done that. I'll man up and own to it, but I still stand by what I said. America runs alot of this, when shit gets bad here in America, it catches like fire and gets everyone else to. That's what I meant. Think about it, and you'll get what I'm saying. When we got into this war, we dragged everyone we could with us, on some holy oil crusade. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - Pascall))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Daddy-of-war;51359464]I was gonna reply to this, left the page, cooled off, then after reading some more SH threads, I said fuck it. Fuck you dude, just incase you forget your world is our little bitch, and as much as I love you guys, and I am not trying to be mean here, but America runs this[/QUOTE] Somehow I'm not so sure this is going to remain the case after those four years.
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51358531]I dont believe you care about rights. I doubt the left does. They use the guilt tripping and passive aggressive bullshit as a way to take, take and take. Once they take everything, is when the abuse sets in. Maybe if you cared so much about individual rights (you dont, you care about group rights) or gave a shit about compassion, it would be extended to all. Not just a few then set up riots in the streets when they don't get their way.[/QUOTE] you're a constant annoyance with posts like this that are baseless and insultingly assumptive.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51359686]you're a constant annoyance with posts like this that are baseless and insultingly assumptive.[/QUOTE] Ignore him dude, he's nothing but a distraction. You're not going to be able to reason with him. [editline]12th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Arbys Watcher;51358256]He literally said, "[B]Yeah, I [U]guess[/U][/B] so."[/QUOTE] [b]"Yeah"[/b]. He agreed with it, he said yes, that's all that matters. He agreed with Iraq, he agreed with Afghanistan and Libya, and he's not against intervening/using force against Iran and North Korea. Deal with it.
That's pretty undemocratic. Then again, so is the electoral college itself, in theory you could win the presidency with only 22% of the popular vote.
Fair game to note that people who said Hillary was ahead in the popular vote weren't using the actual figures. I saw 250,000 and 400,000 in the previous pages. She's actually ahead by 600,000 according to wikipedia, which is more than Gore got when he was against Bush. I feel this petition is justified, and the electoral college was specifically founded to stop uneducated people being tricked by someone into voting for them, which is pretty much exactly what happened with Trump's current backpedalling. The EC is fully within it's rights to reject Trump based on what the founding fathers said.
Would there be any consequence for the electoral college doing this?
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;51359932]Would there be any consequence for the electoral college doing this?[/QUOTE] Its their constitutional right to be able to do this. The only thing we've seen are their pledges, states technically can't void votes that go counter but they can punish them. [editline]12th November 2016[/editline] Remember people, the US is NOT a democracy, it is a republic. [editline]12th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Trebgarta;51360115]Some states require electors to vote as said and have consequences If you ignore the trumpet riots then no, apart from those states' electors it would be system working as described so no consequence from inside the system [editline]12th November 2016[/editline] The rest of the states would make legislations too so it is a one shot move[/QUOTE] It is not a one shot move. Its currently untested whether or not states can void the votes, but its likely it'd be made unconstitutional because the electoral college is a federal system.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51358523]Man the fuck up over losing your rights huh? I should just man up that my relationship with my partner has lasted longer than the my right to marry my partner has been around, and the new administration has promised to strip me of. Man, where were you when the right thought Obama was going to come steal all their guns. Were you telling them to man up and deal with it? Were you calling them whiny babies when McCain and Romney voters were threatening to shoot anyone that came to take their guns? Or are you just being a hypocrite that lacks the ability to see from any other perspective? (Hint: I've seen your posts. Its the latter)[/QUOTE] when did the new administration promise to strip your right to marry? even scalia didnt tip it
[QUOTE=OneFourth;51360291]when did the new administration promise to strip your right to marry? even scalia didnt tip it[/QUOTE] Trump has stated he is not in favour of the federal ruling and wants states to handle it which is rife with it's own problems.
Just give us instant runoff votes for the next election please. Our system is ridiculous.
[QUOTE=OneFourth;51360291]when did the new administration promise to strip your right to marry? even scalia didnt tip it[/QUOTE] Trump said he wanted it overturned, and there will likely be 3 judges replaced during his reign I'm skeptical of it happening within 4 years, but I think if Trump has a second term it could certainly happen then [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51360471]Just give us instant runoff votes for the next election please. Our system is ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Most importantly liberals can stop screaming at people for voting third party if we get that
[QUOTE=SurfLapras;51356743]There's a difference between being a sore loser and fearing for your life.[/QUOTE] Im literally shaking
[QUOTE=MissZoey;51359917]Fair game to note that people who said Hillary was ahead in the popular vote weren't using the actual figures. I saw 250,000 and 400,000 in the previous pages. She's actually ahead by 600,000 according to wikipedia, which is more than Gore got when he was against Bush. I feel this petition is justified, and the electoral college was specifically founded to stop uneducated people being tricked by someone into voting for them, which is pretty much exactly what happened with Trump's current backpedalling. The EC is fully within it's rights to reject Trump based on what the founding fathers said.[/QUOTE] Those figures were accurate [i]at the time of posting[/i]. Votes are [i]still[/i] being counted, and her lead keeps going up.
[QUOTE=pentium;51356736]Give it up you lost. lol Try again in four years.[/QUOTE] Says the person who once said they were tempted to assassinate Stephen Harper because he didn't like him or his policy.
in a country with voluntary voting no swing voters are going to be motivated to get out and vote for the lesser of two evils. trump's supporters were passionate enough to mobilise in large numbers and get him elected.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51358536]What the fuck are you even going on about? Are you actually, seriously trying to say that I don't care that the next leaders of this country have promised to take away my right to marry my partner? Holy shit lol [editline]12th November 2016[/editline] How do I even respond to that? You actually think you know what I want better than I do? Is that what you have to resort to?[/QUOTE] Might wanna read up on abusive and dysfunctional relationzhips. As the "tactics" you used in defending your self is what a manipulative jerk would do to get people to cave in and cede automonty. As you can see, you are now in rage. Abusing people under the guise of compassion.Calling me dumb, implying any one who doesnt agree with you completely must be a "horrid person who is defefective" Try taking your guilt tripping, passive aggressive, power tripping through victim hood else where. People wanna help but are running out of patience (and sympathy) due to the "you either with me or against me attitude". You just wanna use your victim hood to gain power and fuck every one else over. If you think that stupid when I say this, might wanna look at the election results. It a rejection of how sjws treat people. The difference between the right and left is the right is blatant in their abuse of people. That wrong. What wrong with the left its an entire ideal trying to institutionalize psychological abuse upon those it claims to protect and those its against. Its subtle, its not obvious but it is what it is. Abuse. Thus still wrong You can say I am stupid but this is a wake up call. Either find a nicer and different way to build consensus with people concerning your needs or get reckd. With the riots happening on the west coast, its getting easier and easier to demonize those who care about gay rights and what not. The left is no longer seen as fighting for the little guy, but as a bunch of violent loons. Fix it or you are not going have any rights at all and could very well revert to how gay rights were in the 1950's. Your call
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51361600]Might wanna read up on abusive and dysfunctional relationzhips. As the "tactics" you used in defending your self is what a manipulative jerk would do to get people to cave in and cede automonty. As you can see, you are now in rage. Abusing people under the guise of compassion.Calling me dumb, implying any one who doesnt agree with you completely must be a "horrid person who is defefective" Try taking your guilt tripping, passive aggressive, power tripping through victim hood else where. People wanna help but are running out of patience (and sympathy) due to the "you either with me or against me attitude". You just wanna use your victim hood to gain power and fuck every one else over. If you think that stupid when I say this, might wanna look at the election results. It a rejection of how sjws treat people. The difference between the right and left is the right is blatant in their abuse of people. That wrong. What wrong with the left its an entire ideal trying to institutionalize psychological abuse upon those it claims to protect and those its against. Its subtle, its not obvious but it is what it is. Abuse. Thus still wrong You can say I am stupid but this is a wake up call. Either find a nicer and different way to build consensus with people concerning your needs or get reckd. With the riots happening on the west coast, its getting easier and easier to demonize those who care about gay rights and what not. The left is no longer seen as fighting for the little guy, but as a bunch of violent loons. Fix it or you are not going have any rights at all and could very well revert to how gay rights were in the 1950's. Your call[/QUOTE] What exactly does the left [b]take[/b] from you by allowing gay people to marry? How exactly does that fuck everyone else over? Look, I fully acknowledge that the regressive left is a thing. They typically use victimhood to get people to donate money (and ignore any evidence that they are shitheads). But, I'm not seeing that here. What I see is someone who has some very legitimate concerns for the future. Someone who is afraid being being treating like a second class citizen [i]yet again[/i]. And I see you trying to use the worst elements of the left to justify disregarding these concerns. Anti Christ has every reason to be mad. We just elected a government that has a track record for trying to take his rights away.
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51361600]As you can see, you are now in rage. Abusing people under the guise of compassion.Calling me dumb, implying any one who doesnt agree with you completely must be a "horrid person who is defefective" Try taking your guilt tripping, passive aggressive, power tripping through victim hood else where. People wanna help but are running out of patience (and sympathy) due to the "you either with me or against me attitude".[/QUOTE] Rage? I'm not in rage, I'm trying my damndest to figure out what the fuck your problem is. Abusing people? Calling you dumb? Calling you defective? I did none of that. If you interpreted that yourself, you must have projected that onto my post, and that's a problem you need to solve yourself. Power tripping? No. Victimhood? Yes. Because the president [B]wants to take my constitutional right away.[/B] [QUOTE=Guriosity;51361600]You just wanna use your victim hood to gain power and fuck every one else over. If you think that stupid when I say this, might wanna look at the election results. It a rejection of how sjws treat people.[/QUOTE] Fuck everyone else over? By what, being allowed to exercise my constitutionally protected right to marry? What the actual fuck are you even trying to get at? Secondly, the election results are an indication of a vast multitude of factors, not just "SJWs", but you've demonstrated that you're too blinded by your hatred of "SJWs" to see anything else. You probably assume anyone with colorful hair is a feminist because you've spent so long hating "SJWs" lol" [QUOTE=Guriosity;51361600]The difference between the right and left is the right is blatant in their abuse of people. That wrong. What wrong with the left its an entire ideal trying to institutionalize psychological abuse upon those it claims to protect and those its against. Its subtle, its not obvious but it is what it is. Abuse. Thus still wrong[/QUOTE] Oh is that the only difference? I hate to quote reddit, but "You're simplifying a complex issue to the point of no longer contributing anything to the discussion". There are so many differences between the ideology of the left and right, let alone the actual individuals that make up those ideologies. And you've obviously spent so long hating the radical left (or alt-left as some are now saying) that you've lost the ability to think critically or see the bigger picture. The fact is that the vast majority of people fall around the middle of the two, but that's boring. Nobody screencaps somebody making a reasonable argument. You only see screencaps of extremists on either side, and specifically, the left side for the most part. I've seen the way you post. You rant and rant about "spooky, scary SJWs" because you've grown obsessed with them due to the culture the internet has grown into. And nothing I will say is going to change anything about you, either. I already know that I'm only further entrenching you into these beliefs, and you're going to double down on them. [QUOTE=Guriosity;51361600]You can say I am stupid but this is a wake up call. Either find a nicer and different way to build consensus with people concerning your needs or get reckd. With the riots happening on the west coast, its getting easier and easier to demonize those who care about gay rights and what not. The left is no longer seen as fighting for the little guy, but as a bunch of violent loons. [/QUOTE] I never said you're stupid. I said your post didn't make sense, because it didn't. And yeah, lemme just get right on that. I'll activate my "liberal hivemind" and call off all the protesters. That's what you want, right? I mean, I'm not protesting or rioting. I'm making posts on an internet forum. How much more peaceful do you want me to be? Do you want me to stop hurting your feelings? Are you tired of your feelings being hurt be mean people on the internet? [QUOTE=Guriosity;51361600]Fix it or you are not going have any rights at all and could very well revert to how gay rights were in the 1950's. Your call[/QUOTE] Yeah like I said, lemme just call off all the protesters. Second, holy [B]fuck[/B]. I have watched my friends get beaten because of their orientation. I have to hide mine from my family because they promised they'd kick me out if I turned out gay (surprise surprise). A few years ago I left everybody I knew, my family and friends, behind so that I could get out of the third world hellhole known that is the south. I moved somewhere where it isn't [I]currently[/I] the same as it was in the 1950's. And I can tell that just makes you so angry, doesn't it? That there are places in this country where I can actually live my life as an openly gay man? Those damn SJWs are just ruining this country aren't they? I have no doubt you miss being able to say nigger out in public too, whether you'll admit to it or not. Do you wish you could say faggot as well? Do you already? You're fucking scum. The only thing I want is to keep the rights that myself and my community [B]finally[/B] have, and the new president's cabinet has promised to strip me of. I have no concern for taking jack shit from anybody else. In short, fuck you. Fuck your beliefs, and fuck your misconstruction of my words. But mostly, fuck [B]you.[/B] [editline]12th November 2016[/editline] [URL="https://facepunch.com/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=739101"]I would recommend everybody blocks him. He has nothing worthwhile to contribute to this thread, nor any other topic. [/URL] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Calm down" - Novangel))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51362148] [URL="https://facepunch.com/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=739101"]I would recommend everybody blocks him. He has nothing worthwhile to contribute to this thread, nor any other topic. [/URL][/QUOTE] You are not going to win over anybody by arguing for just blocking a person you disagree with. It severely hinders your argument.
[QUOTE=Thlis;51362444]You are not going to win over anybody by arguing for just blocking a person you disagree with. It severely hinders your argument.[/QUOTE] You know what else severely hinders an argument? Claiming that I don't care about my rights, and that I just want to fuck everyone over. That's not even arguing, that's claiming pure untruths because reality doesn't suit his world view. I have no patience to waste my time with someone that is going to make up falsehoods just because they suit his agenda better, so he's blocked.
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.