Millions sign petition urging Electoral College to elect Hillary Clinton
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[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51362148][URL="https://facepunch.com/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=739101"]I would recommend everybody blocks him. He has nothing worthwhile to contribute to this thread, nor any other topic. [/URL][/QUOTE]
You just wrote a 600+ word response to the guy and you expect us to take that request seriously ?
Follow your on advice instead of making a salty ass out of yourself.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51362549]You just wrote a 600+ word response to the guy and you expect us to take that request seriously ?
Follow your on advice instead of making a salty ass out of yourself.[/QUOTE]
haha salty liberals, the president is promising to take away their [B]constitutional rights[/B], theyre so salty.
get real
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51362555]haha salty liberals, the president is promising to take away their [B]constitutional rights[/B], theyre so salty.
get real[/QUOTE]
I said nothing about liberals or the political context of all this
I'm saying you (as in [I]you specifically[/I], and no one else) are in dire need of a chill pill, because you wrote a response long enough to fit on both sides of an A4 sheet of paper to a guy you then claimed wasn't worth talking to.
If you can't manage to be consistent within your own post then chances are you're just too tilted to actually have a proper discussion and you need to get off the computer for an hour or two. The fact you instantly turned aggressive and tossed some generic strawman response kind of proves me right that you're far too agitated to actually produce anything worth reading. Nobody's going to think less of you because you looked at some guy, told yourself "nah fuck it" and acted like an adult by not writing an essay on him [I]while trying to convince others to block him.[/I]
I mean for fucks sake you just asked everyone on the forum to put the guy on a block list after releasing a wall of text that's probably thicker than the sum of his posts on this thread.
I'm just thinking that if against all odds the electoral college votes for Clinton, the backlash would be immense. Knowing the types of people who supports Trump, their reactions to such an event could be insanely dangerous to the country and the levels of violence they could dish out could rival the Civil Rights Era
[QUOTE=NiftyNeutrino;51362601]I'm just thinking that if against all odds the electoral college votes for Clinton, the backlash would be immense. Knowing the types of people who supports Trump, their reactions to such an event could be insanely dangerous to the country and the levels of violence they could dish out could rival the Civil Rights Era[/QUOTE]
I sincerely doubt basically half of the population would turn violent because of this, but it would absolutely fuck up the American electoral system to the point of requiring a complete overhaul. While the necessity and benefice of such a drastic reform is debatable, I doubt it will happen over what appears to be less than a 2% discrepancy.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51362571]I said nothing about liberals or the political context of all this
I'm saying you (as in [I]you specifically[/I], and no one else) are in dire need of a chill pill, because you wrote a response long enough to fit on both sides of an A4 sheet of paper to a guy you then claimed wasn't worth talking to.
If you can't manage to be consistent within your own post then chances are you're just too tilted to actually have a proper discussion and you need to get off the computer for an hour or two. The fact you instantly turned aggressive and tossed some generic strawman response kind of proves me right that you're far too agitated to actually produce anything worth reading. Nobody's going to think less of you because you looked at some guy, told yourself "nah fuck it" and acted like an adult by not writing an essay on him [I]while trying to convince others to block him.[/I]
I mean for fucks sake you just asked everyone on the forum to put the guy on a block list after releasing a wall of text that's probably thicker than the sum of his posts on this thread.[/QUOTE]
So would you prefer me to cherry pick a single sentence to respond to? Is this post short enough to meet your criteria?
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51358523]Man the fuck up over losing your rights huh? I should just man up that my relationship with my partner has lasted longer than the my right to marry my partner has been around, and the new administration has promised to strip me of.
Man, where were you when the right thought Obama was going to come steal all their guns. Were you telling them to man up and deal with it? Were you calling them whiny babies when McCain and Romney voters were threatening to shoot anyone that came to take their guns?
Or are you just being a hypocrite that lacks the ability to see from any other perspective? (Hint: I've seen your posts. Its the latter)[/QUOTE]
Lmao. I appreciate your attempt to paint me on complete assumptions, that's pretty cool. When Obama won i hoped the best for him because I'm an American and don't want to see my country not do well just because my political preference didn't get into office.
And gay rights is literally a non issue to me, I care about things like Immigration, the economy, national security. You know, things that actually matter.
[QUOTE=Komodoh;51362632]Lmao. I appreciate your attempt to paint me on complete assumptions, that's pretty cool. When Obama won i hoped the best for him because I'm an American and don't want to see my country not do well just because my political preference didn't get into office.
And gay rights is literally a non issue to me, I care about things like Immigration, the economy, national security. You know, things that actually matter.[/QUOTE]
Okay
[QUOTE=Komodoh;51362632]And gay rights is literally a non issue to me, I care about things like Immigration, the economy, national security. [b]You know, things that actually matter.[/b][/QUOTE]
How can equal rights not matter?
Like, in an effort to be fair-minded in a really heated thread I can accept that people have different priorities they want to see their President tackle, but that kinda sounds like a put-down.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51362627]So would you prefer me to cherry pick a single sentence to respond to? Is this post short enough to meet your criteria?[/QUOTE]
No I'd prefer you to take your own advice, act like an adult and block the guy like you said people should instead of making a fat ass out of yourself.
Stop swinging from extreme to extreme and tossing fallacies around.
[QUOTE=Komodoh;51362632]
And gay rights is literally a non issue to me, I care about things like Immigration, the economy, national security. You know, things that actually matter.[/QUOTE]
Posts dont get much worse than this
[QUOTE=Komodoh;51362632]
And gay rights is literally a non issue to me, I care about things like Immigration, the economy, national security. You know, things that actually matter.[/QUOTE]
All legitimate and reasonable concerns that fall under the government's purview are things that actually matter- this [B]especially[/B] includes the rights of the people that it is responsible for protecting.
One should not be so dismissive of the fight for equal rights, no matter who is fighting.
You wouldn't say that the equal voting rights of women or African Americans are insignificant, correct? It is the exact same concept for the equal protection and treatment of those who are gay.
Also I don't know how it operates in America but in France it's impossible to repeal gay marriage because people already got married under the law. No matter how the repeal would be handled, it would cause legal and human right issues :
- If the law gets repealed and everyone who [I]was[/I] married becomes an outlaw, then the nation basically entrapped its own citizens to perform a law-abiding act and then retroactively made it a crime.
- If the law gets repealed and everyone who [I]was[/I] married gets to keep their status, then their status becomes a social privilege that cannot otherwise be achieved through legal means, making it unconstitutional.
The same logic can and [I]will[/I] be applied to the US, because it resorts to basic human rights and plenty of people will point out how unconstitutional it is to repeal those laws while people are still benefiting from the social status offered by them. It would create an exclusive caste with unobtainable privileges.
It's very doubtful that those laws, when already into effect, will go anywhere simply because of the administrative and human rights nightmare it would cause to repeal them.
[QUOTE=NiftyNeutrino;51362601]I'm just thinking that if against all odds the electoral college votes for Clinton, the backlash would be immense. Knowing the types of people who supports Trump, their reactions to such an event could be insanely dangerous to the country and the levels of violence they could dish out could rival the Civil Rights Era[/QUOTE]
Then we would have the biggest hypocritical situation on our hands. The college can do whatever they see right and will be shielded from all public scruntiny because at the end of the day, there isnt enough state support to remove them
[QUOTE=Komodoh;51362632]Lmao. I appreciate your attempt to paint me on complete assumptions, that's pretty cool. When Obama won i hoped the best for him because I'm an American and don't want to see my country not do well just because my political preference didn't get into office.
And gay rights is literally a non issue to me, I care about things like Immigration, the economy, national security. You know, things that actually matter.[/QUOTE]
You're not even gonna pretend you care about other people? You would be singing a different tune if it were YOUR rights being taken away. Gay rights shouldn't even be an issue, but conservatives like telling people they can't do things because religion... which completely flies in the face of the first amendment. Conservatives [i]made[/i] this an issue.
Everything about Trump's immigration plan is stupid and won't work. The wall isn't going to keep illegals out, and Mexico isn't gonna pay for it. Deporting large numbers of people results in [b]United States Citizens[/b] being deported, so literally no American should support that. Of course, he's recently started backpedaling on some of this, so it looks like you won't get your precious immigration plan [i]anyway[/i].
As for the economy, Trump literally suggested that the United States should default on their debt. He also talks about getting jobs back from china, but those jobs either [i]don't exist[/i] anymore, or soon won't (automation is a bitch, isn't it?). He's promising you the moon, and won't be able to deliver.
[QUOTE=Jcw87;51362880] Everything about Trump's immigration plan is stupid and won't work. The wall isn't going to keep illegals out, and Mexico isn't gonna pay for it. Deporting large numbers of people results in [b]United States Citizens[/b] being deported, so literally no American should support that. Of course, he's recently started backpedaling on some of this, so it looks like you won't get your precious immigration plan [i]anyway[/i].[/QUOTE]
I can think of a few walls that worked in the recent years.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_border_barrier[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier[/url]
And yea, I really don't care about gay marriage. Sorry bud.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51362699]Also I don't know how it operates in America but in France it's impossible to repeal gay marriage because people already got married under the law. No matter how the repeal would be handled, it would cause legal and human right issues :
- If the law gets repealed and everyone who [I]was[/I] married becomes an outlaw, then the nation basically entrapped its own citizens to perform a law-abiding act and then retroactively made it a crime.
- If the law gets repealed and everyone who [I]was[/I] married gets to keep their status, then their status becomes a social privilege that cannot otherwise be achieved through legal means, making it unconstitutional.
The same logic can and [I]will[/I] be applied to the US, because it resorts to basic human rights and plenty of people will point out how unconstitutional it is to repeal those laws while people are still benefiting from the social status offered by them. It would create an exclusive caste with unobtainable privileges.
It's very doubtful that those laws, when already into effect, will go anywhere simply because of the administrative and human rights nightmare it would cause to repeal them.[/QUOTE]
Couldn't you just repeal the laws and remove the status at the same time? I don't think it would be making gay marriage a [i]crime[/i], it would just be removing the official recognition of it. When Germany removed hereditary noble titles, it didn't make people who held them criminals, it just didn't let them use their titles officially.
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[QUOTE=Komodoh;51362974]I can think of a few walls that worked in the recent years.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_border_barrier[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier[/url]
And yea, I really don't care about gay marriage. Sorry bud.[/QUOTE]
Do you only care about things that affect you? That's amazingly selfish.
Wouldn't a change.org petition have a lot of fake votes?
Forigners, People under 18, ect.
If thy wanted to do a real petition I'm surprised they used a site like this.
[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;51363015]Do you only care about things that affect you? That's amazingly selfish.[/QUOTE]
No, I just don't care about this one specific topic.
One thing I hope that will happen is that the cult of outrage and political correctness will die out.
[QUOTE=NiftyNeutrino;51362601]I'm just thinking that if against all odds the electoral college votes for Clinton, the backlash would be immense. Knowing the types of people who supports Trump, their reactions to such an event could be insanely dangerous to the country and the levels of violence they could dish out could rival the Civil Rights Era[/QUOTE]
It would absolutely kill the Democrats as a political party. For all the fear of Trumps policies (and supporters, who this has shown are more behaved) now, as time goes on and the overreaction dies away it will turn from "we were saving our rights" to "we lost and took power", by 2020 nobody will remember most of this campaign but they will remember an election being overturned after most people accepted the result. Never mind that the "democratic" reason for overturning the election (popular vote) is using a metric that wasn't in play during the election, nobody has a response to, or knows how it would have ended up, if both campaigns were shooting for the popular vote.
I thought we were supposed to be scared Putin was influencing the election, now it is the political neophytes pushing for something that would kill their own cause. Political short sightedness at its worst.
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51358531]I dont believe you care about rights. I doubt the left does. They use the guilt tripping and passive aggressive bullshit as a way to take, take and take. Once they take everything, is when the abuse sets in. Maybe if you cared so much about individual rights (you dont, you care about group rights) or gave a shit about compassion, it would be extended to all. Not just a few then set up riots in the streets when they don't get their way.[/QUOTE]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/530hNNN.png[/t]
and how does this not apply to that flawlessly???
The government has to right to interfere with his relationship and freedom and happiness.
Saying other wise is hysteria
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[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51362148]Rage? I'm not in rage, I'm trying my damndest to figure out what the fuck your problem is.
Do you wish you could say faggot as well? Do you already?
You're fucking scum. The only thing I want is to keep the rights that myself and my community [B]finally[/B] have, and the new president's cabinet has promised to strip me of. I have no concern for taking jack shit from anybody else.
In short, fuck you. Fuck your beliefs, and fuck your misconstruction of my words. But mostly, fuck [B]you.[/B]
[URL="https://facepunch.com/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=739101"]I would recommend everybody blocks him. He has nothing worthwhile to contribute to this thread, nor any other topic. [/URL]
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You could have really turned it around against him
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[QUOTE=TheLolrus;51362645]How can equal rights not matter?
Like, in an effort to be fair-minded in a really heated thread I can accept that people have different priorities they want to see their President tackle, but that kinda sounds like a put-down.[/QUOTE]
It should be a basic human right, but it doesn't have nearly the effect that security has
like it should just universally a thing no one cares about and accepts as totally the norm. It doesn't however, have the same weight as working to improve an economy does.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;51357373]Then you fundamentally misunderstand the way presidential elections work in the United States.
The popular vote hasn't, and will never, be what chooses the next President of the United states.
Unfit according to whom? This assumes everyone who voted for Hillary Clinton believes the above, which is obviously not the case. So at the end of the day this is just the opinion of some guy and a few million people who think Donald Trump is the only person who has lied, been impulsive, and bullied. (So far we're describing pretty everyone much over the age of 10).
As for openly admitting sexual assault, that's a complete lie. Sorry, it's not sexual assault if the other person lets you do it. (I assume we're talking about the pussy grabbing video?)
No one who ever runs for the office of the presidency is 'experienced'. Political experience helps but the whole point of running for the office of the President in the country is that ANYONE can be president (as long as you're older than 35 and were born in the United States).
This petition is bullshit and the fact that people can't let this go is so hypocritical that it's laughable. FOR WEEKS after the last debate, all we heard from the media and Hillary supporters was how DANGEROUS it would be for people to reject Trumps inevitable loss on election day.
Well guess what. We aren't the ones rioting in the street and acting like fucking babies. We didn't do it in 2008, and we didn't do it in 2012. Lose with grace. If you're scared for your life, arm yourself. It's your right as an American.[/QUOTE]
Oh cut the bullshit.
The electoral college is a broken system and denying that it is just because your candidate won doesn't make it any less broken. Do I think that it should immediately be abolished and the presidency given to Hillary? Fuck no. We as a people need to be united, and that would divide us even more than we are now. I can only hope Donald attempts to cross party boundaries and try to help bridge the gap between parties.
It is a stretch, but that's what we need more than ever in this nation.
If the situation was reversed, and Hilary won the election despite Trump getting the popular vote. Your oh so patriotic tune about the electoral college wouldn't be as sweet, now, would it?
Hell, if that did happen, I may be pleased with the results but I would STILL think the college needs a reform or an abolishment. My stance on it would have not changed.
Oh, and yes, I remember your party being OH so mature in 2008 and 2012.
[img]http://issuehawk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/protest-530x298.jpg[/img]
Very Mature
[img]http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/files/2010/11/obama-protest.jpg[/img]
Losing with grace.
[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;51363015]Couldn't you just repeal the laws and remove the status at the same time? I don't think it would be making gay marriage a [i]crime[/i], it would just be removing the official recognition of it. When Germany removed hereditary noble titles, it didn't make people who held them criminals, it just didn't let them use their titles officially.[/QUOTE]
But there's plenty of things that stem directly from the married status of a couple, from property to legal parenthood to potential social/welfare benefits (there's a lot of those in France for married couples).
There's a reason divorce procedures exist and are quite complex - marriage creates a pretty convoluted legal net that takes time to untangle and remove. A solution would be to force people to undergo a divorce procedure, which costs money that people may not have or may not be able to spend on this (let alone [I]willing[/I] to) before the law is passed to repeal gay marriage, but then everyone would scream nanny state.
It has been 4 days and people are still complaining their candidate lost.
Please, grow up, and realize that this is how elections are run. If you do not like it, petition for the removal of the Electoral College so that 4 years from now, the election will be decided by popular vote or however the people of the USA want it to be decided.
This is to both sides by the way, when Obama won republicans threw a shit fit, now that republicans won, democrats are throwing a shit fit.
[QUOTE=Komodoh;51362974]I can think of a few walls that worked in the recent years.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_border_barrier[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier[/url]
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How's a wall gonna stop the 40-50% of illegal immigrants who are people getting tourist visas and just staying after it expires?
I think it would be wonderful if this election would function as fuel to get the electoral vote system abolished, but my god would it be a giant clusterfuck if they actually did it with retroactive effect...
Kind of an unfortunate combination of events that Trump both won only via the electoral system and previously has stated that the electoral college is a disaster. It makes it kind of awkward for him to attempt to abolish it, even though it sounds like he agrees that it should be.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;51364840]I think it would be wonderful if this election would function as fuel to get the electoral vote system abolished, but my god would it be a giant clusterfuck if they actually did it with retroactive effect...
Kind of an unfortunate combination of events that Trump both won only via the electoral system and previously has stated that the electoral college is a disaster. It makes it kind of awkward for him to attempt to abolish it, even though it sounds like he agrees that it should be.[/QUOTE]
It's been only a few days and Trump already seems to be back-peddling on a lot of his more controversial "promises". And, hey, I'm cool with that. If a politician is going to lie, I'd rather they lie about wanting to do something terrible and then not actually do it.
Once he's actually in power, I wouldn't be surprised if he moved to abolish the EC. And if so, then good riddance, I say. I'm not going to pretend like I'm an expert on politics, here. Because politics are a confusing, nightmarish mess at the best of times. But it seems to me that a system which effectively ignores the votes of civilians in favour of some weird ass state-based crap that nobody seems to be able to agree on, that... kind of flies in the face of "democracy". Or at least my understanding of democarcy.
Granted it doesn't seem to be much better anywhere else, either. My own country has been in a pointless tug-of-war between the Labour and Liberal party, neither of whom seem capable of getting [I]anything[/I] done, while legitimately appealing parties like the Greens don't even get a look in.
And if we can't get it right with our tiny ass population, mandatory votes and (broadly speaking) lack of serious consequence, then I'd be shocked to see a machine as big, complex and terrifying as America make sense of it.
[QUOTE]Fuck your beliefs, and fuck your misconstruction of my words. But mostly, fuck you.[/QUOTE]
My beliefs are very simple.
Causing psychological trauma or abuse in any form or least trying to institutionalize it is wrong.
The reason for this is because when there is enough people in a society traumatized or emotionally wounded, society changes for the worse. Our psychological demons soon become reality physically manifest.
The reason people are screwing with you is because someone hurt them. They cannot function so they psychologically project their shortcomings upon you. They have psychological demons they are not dealing with. Instead of dealing with them, they project them upon you and then take their frustrations out on you. The reason for this is so these psychological demons can spread and have a host. They fucked up, then they fuck you up, you wounded, now you mad and now wanna find someone else to beat up.
The reason they act this way is because they adhere to an ideal that causes psychological damage. Which makes them brutal and insane. This is done with religion or race within the right. It is blatant.
This harm is being done intentionally.
The reason for the intentionally psychological harm is the more emotional unstable an idea makes you, the more you become passionate about it. The more fanatical you become, the more likely you will allow other dominate you. This leads to a creation of an organization, a hierarchical cult. Which generates inequality, oppression, war, and yes abuse you have witnessed and experienced. If such an idea take holkd enough on a large enough scale, societies such as nazi Germany, Saudi arbaia, Isis, north korea and other hell holes manifest.
The reason people on the right cause you harm is due to narratives that have been designed intentionally to make them wonky thus as a result, vicious.
With the left, the ideals are designed in a more subtle way to generate psychological harm (that means you are being harmed by adhering to it) and encourage behaving in ways to ensure you keep harming yourself. When in this self harm state, you end up thinking up is down, left is right, fire is wet and so on. Which makes a person unable to function. Which leads to YOU taking it out on others. On top of the abuse you have taken from anti gay, it just asking for an outlet of all this toxicity.
The problem with the left is cleverly uses language to dress up toxic behavior to make it look like its an act of compassion. It isn't. It also wont solve your issue either. Alot of the "Solutions" in leftist thought are double think. They say they are trying to end racism, then proscribe a method that generates the exact opposite result. Alot of what the left is trying to encourage you to do is only to prevent forming allies and bring up more enemies. Yet in your mind, you would be thinking "I'm wining". You're not. Such is the power of thought and ideology over one's senses and ability to access an situation clearly
Both sides's ideals are designed to fail, and are designed to destroy adherents mentally and emotionally until they are a vile husk of a human being. Who end up being led or seek out vile human beings to lead them.
Which leads (as mentioned) the manifestation of intolerance, (such as you experience) war, oppression, inequality, along with a whole host of shitty things.
With this in mind, I consider both the left and right as toxic and was designed to be so on purpose to make ya sick, so to make you a slave and get ya to create systems of oppression and horror. You end up creating your own prison. My alternative to social justice and generate more tolerance is to get rid of any ideological which share the same psychological damaging structure. Once all those ideas are erased is when you wont be having any intolerance any more.
By constantly propping the narrative of the left, you end up giving the right to exist, so thus you are keeping this cycle of toxicity going and thus only hurting your self.
the only reason you are getting upset is I don't share your ideas how to end intolerance. I do however believe ending intolerance is a must do goal. I do have a different way of getting there. This is why you are so upset. You want me to do it YOUR way. I say your way isnt helping you long term or even short term. But to bring up a discussion of even asking of "is there another way?" is deemed racist and bigoted. How it trying to find as many ways to fix a problem "bigoted?"
I would love to see your proof that the left is a harmful mindset to the self.
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