Curtis Smith, the man arrested for jumping the fence to the White House in March, has been shot dead - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Megadave;48542499] I'm not really, but people use it as a generic term as anyone who dislikes an aspect of the government.[/QUOTE] when i say sovereign i mean people yelling out naval law shit about courtroom flags and start shit with cops saying they don't have jurisdiction over them while carrying AR-15s through shopping malls with c-mags and getting up in peoples' faces with a camera. the people whose method of dealing with police is to be as obtuse as possible while quoting off shit from the articles of confederation. the people who say laws don't apply to them because they don't agree to the terms. if you don't do that then you're not a sovereign citizen even if you dislike parts of or even distrust the government

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;48543100]when i say sovereign i mean people yelling out naval law shit about courtroom flags and start shit with cops saying they don't have jurisdiction over them while carrying AR-15s through shopping malls with c-mags and getting up in peoples' faces with a camera. the people whose method of dealing with police is to be as obtuse as possible while quoting off shit from the articles of confederation. the people who say laws don't apply to them because they don't agree to the terms. if you don't do that then you're not a sovereign citizen even if you dislike parts of or even distrust the government[/QUOTE] If that is being a soverign citizen, then no I am not one. [editline]26th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Mister Sandman;48542625]oh my god do we have a sovereign citizen here on Facepunch I can't tell if this is the worst or an absolute treat[/QUOTE] If you're are talking about me, I'm not

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48542190]Oh my God. Cops put him down because he was threatening their lives with a knife. I think they were thinking of going home at the end of the day to their families when this happened. Cops are trained for this shit.[/QUOTE] Cops are not trained to kill. Killing a person still has a massive impact on someone's life. Doesn't matter whether it's an innocent man or a lunatic. This isn't Hollywood, where cops ice criminals and then race off to a local bar to get a beer for a job well done. Officers who kill someone get paid leave and are put through extensive counseling and psychiatric evaluation to make sure they are okay. The last thing you want is a cop with a gun and a depression.

[QUOTE=V12US;48544275]Cops are not trained to kill. Killing a person still has a massive impact on someone's life. Doesn't matter whether it's an innocent man or a lunatic. This isn't Hollywood, where cops ice criminals and then race off to a local bar to get a beer for a job well done. Officers who kill someone get paid leave and are put through extensive counseling and psychiatric evaluation to make sure they are okay. The last thing you want is a cop with a gun and a depression.[/QUOTE] They saved lives by killing a potentially murderous lunatic. Don't be such a baby.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;48542625]oh my god do we have a sovereign citizen here on Facepunch I can't tell if this is the worst or an absolute treat[/QUOTE] Why not both? [editline]26th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=agentfazexx;48544289]They saved lives by killing a potentially murderous lunatic. Don't be such a baby.[/QUOTE] He isn't whining though, just saying that humans are strong but that even a trained individual can't be fully unharmed mentally from taking a life.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48544289]They saved lives by killing a potentially murderous lunatic. Don't be such a baby.[/QUOTE] Yeah, dude! Don't be such a pussy man, agentfaze serves as a police officer putting down 10 criminals a day man, he ain't phased! You do realize your speaking for an occupation you probably never experienced before? If you're going to talk about something you've never done, at least do some minuscule type of research. It wasn't about them saving lives, good job that they did it, but "YEAHH HIGH FIVE BRAH U SURE SHOWED THAT GUY LOL" isn't really the needed reaction for putting down a crazy person who threatened lives.

It's a shame it couldn't have been solved in a less violent way, but waving a knife in front of a bunch of people threatening to stab them is a level of stupidity I can't really feel too badly for having left this earth.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48544289]They saved lives by killing a potentially murderous lunatic. Don't be such a baby.[/QUOTE] Are you [I]fucking serious right now?[/I] Taking a life is no menial act. Police officers don't kill people on a regular basis (as much as you may believe). Taking a life has huge repercussions on the mental state of the one responsible. Unless you have ever killed anybody before, just sit in the corner and be quiet.

[QUOTE=BazzBerry;48547691]Are you [I]fucking serious right now?[/I] Taking a life is no menial act. Police officers don't kill people on a regular basis (as much as you may believe). Taking a life has huge repercussions on the mental state of the one responsible. Unless you have ever killed anybody before, just sit in the corner and be quiet.[/QUOTE] Some people can also handle that shit extremely well. lets not assume

what a waste, they weren't even pressing charges, he was looking at maybe community service

[QUOTE=SonicHitman;48542072]High five? IDK about that, it probably traumatized the people in there including the officers[/QUOTE] No, it did not traumatize the officers. They probably high fived when no one was looking (I'm actually serious) A lot of Officers have the Gung-Ho sort of personality, just like a lot of military personnel. Not a bad thing or anything

[QUOTE=TheTalon;48548034]No, it did not traumatize the officers. They probably high fived when no one was looking (I'm actually serious) A lot of Officers have the Gung-Ho sort of personality, just like a lot of military personnel. Not a bad thing or anything[/QUOTE] I wish ratings still existed on SH because this is incredibly dumb. I doubt you even know any cops.

Why is everyone assuming that they know how the officer in question is feeling right now?

[QUOTE=TheTalon;48548034]No, it did not traumatize the officers. They probably high fived when no one was looking (I'm actually serious) A lot of Officers have the Gung-Ho sort of personality, just like a lot of military personnel. Not a bad thing or anything[/QUOTE] haha i hope you're trolling

[QUOTE=TheTalon;48548034]No, it did not traumatize the officers. They probably high fived when no one was looking (I'm actually serious) A lot of Officers have the Gung-Ho sort of personality, just like a lot of military personnel. Not a bad thing or anything[/QUOTE] I can't tell if this is satire or not

[QUOTE=TheTalon;48548034]No, it did not traumatize the officers. They probably high fived when no one was looking (I'm actually serious) A lot of Officers have the Gung-Ho sort of personality, just like a lot of military personnel. Not a bad thing or anything[/QUOTE] those same gung ho military personal still suffer from PTSD. Remember that humour or dehumanising others is often the best way to deal with aggression stress. It doesn't mean it won't affect you, it doesn't mean it won't give you nightmares or that you'll internalise a lot of these things after you get out of the adrenaline phase.

i am a soverign citizen and i like hot dogs Nobody wil ltake that away from me

[QUOTE=greasemunky;48548092]Why is everyone assuming that they know how the officer in question is feeling right now?[/QUOTE] Facepunchers know a lot about everything, especially if its largely covered by the media.

[QUOTE=3picFail;48566356]Facepunchers know a lot about everything, especially if its largely covered by the media.[/QUOTE] We've got several police officers on the forum, a few security guards, a couple of doctors, at least two EMT ambulance drivers, IIRC one firefighter, ect. Of course every poster isn't going to be an expert, but people from all walks of life view this forum and imo it's more ignorant to instantly disregard someone by assuming they don't know what they are talking about than it is to put an opinion or observation out there, no matter how silly it might look.

[QUOTE=BazzBerry;48547691]Are you [I]fucking serious right now?[/I] Taking a life is no menial act. Police officers don't kill people on a regular basis (as much as you may believe). Taking a life has huge repercussions on the mental state of the one responsible. Unless you have ever killed anybody before, just sit in the corner and be quiet.[/QUOTE] You're overgeneralizing. Killing someone is a significant act by all means but the reaction of people to this act can't be generalized as broadly as this. If killing someone was this universally shitty then the military would not exist as a concept. Oh and, police forces are trained to kill, especially in the US where guns are a lot more common than in, say, France. They're handed a gun and trained to shoot center of mass to kill whoever they're aiming at. A policeman in the US taking on this job is fully accepting the fact that he may have to shoot someone dead at some point, because they've been trained in how to deal with that possibility. It's fair to assume that someone who took up the job of policeman or soldier is more mentally prepared to kill a human being than someone who took up the job of a baker or a sanitation agent.

[QUOTE=greasemunky;48548092]Why is everyone assuming that they know how the officer in question is feeling right now?[/QUOTE] A family acquaintance is a police officer, and he tells us a lot about how shit works for them. He once had to use his weapon to shoot someone in the leg, and it led to a mountain of paperwork and paid leave to determine whether it was justified and not excessive force. He was with another officer at the time who also took a shot, but he missed, and that guy had to go through an entire course of marksmanship training on top of the paid leave and even more paperwork to make sure he wouldn't miss again. You hear people talking about police, and you would think they believe police officers are some kind of gunslinger vigilantes who patrol through town at their own leisure and gun down criminals on a daily basis. Maybe the US is just [i]that[/i] different from the Netherlands, but I seriously doubt it.

[QUOTE=V12US;48567068]A family acquaintance is a police officer, and he tells us a lot about how shit works for them. He once had to use his weapon to shoot someone in the leg, and it led to a mountain of paperwork and paid leave to determine whether it was justified and not excessive force. He was with another officer at the time who also took a shot, but he missed, and that guy had to go through an entire course of marksmanship training on top of the paid leave and even more paperwork to make sure he wouldn't miss again. You hear people talking about police, and you would think they believe police officers are some kind of gunslinger vigilantes who patrol through town at their own leisure and gun down criminals on a daily basis. Maybe the US is just [i]that[/i] different from the Netherlands, but I seriously doubt it.[/QUOTE] European police tends to differ a lot in the way they function from US police, due to the very different policies on guns notably. In France not all police officers are armed and few ever shoot anyone. The last time someone took a shot at an individual who wasn't also armed with a gun, it was nearly considered a national tragedy and the case took more than a year to close. The situation was that a policewoman was getting cornered by angry protesters, some of them armed with improvised weapons, and she shot dead the closest one.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;48567082]European police tends to differ a lot in the way they function from US police, due to the very different policies on guns notably. In France not all police officers are armed and few ever shoot anyone. The last time someone took a shot at an individual who wasn't also armed with a gun, it was nearly considered a national tragedy and the case took more than a year to close. The situation was that a policewoman was getting cornered by angry protesters, some of them armed with improvised weapons, and she shot dead the closest one.[/QUOTE] The [I]vast[/I] majority of police officers in the US (and I'm sure the rest of the world as well) have never fired their weapons outside of the range, and the most likely never will during their careers..

So how long before justice for Curtis Smith comes about?

[QUOTE=Arrows;48568527]So how long before justice for Curtis Smith comes about?[/QUOTE] I'm sure it'll come out in Satire somehow. [QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;48566955]We've got several police officers on the forum, a few security guards, a couple of doctors, at least two EMT ambulance drivers, IIRC one firefighter, ect.[/QUOTE] We also have [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1250383"]well over a dozen military personel on FP in every branch and even a few in foreign militaries[/URL]. I believe one or two hold public service positions now I think.

[QUOTE=3picFail;48566356]Facepunchers know a lot about everything, especially if its largely covered by the media.[/QUOTE] Yeah, who'd ever think that one of the largest forums on the internet would have members that happen to be experts or have careers/hobbies in certain fields? Nope, they're all just 13 year old Rust babies.