[QUOTE=Govna;51213863]Pro-Russian sentiment in the Ukraine has been limited to the eastern provinces, which makes sense because they have had the closest ties to them historically. Donetsk and Luhansk of course border Russia. The Ukraine has a population of ~45.5 million people; Donetsk and Luhansk are tiny by comparison, both in terms of how much ground they actually cover as well as their populations (Donetsk has about 935,000 citizens-- maybe half of the province's overall population-- and Luhansk has maybe 1.4 million). In general, the Ukrainians do not like the Russians and do not want anything to do with the Russians. That's exactly why there's been the rise in nationalism that's been seen the last few years in the wake of this rebellion and the direct Russian invasion/annexation of the Crimea, and that's also why they got rid of Yanukovych to begin with in Euromaidan; the majority of Ukrainians wanted to align themselves towards the European Union, Yanukovych and his supporters meanwhile wanted to align the country towards Putin and the Russians by joining their Customs Union. How many of these rebels do you think there are exactly, and how great is the degree of support they've received from the Russian government?[/QUOTE]
I dont disagree that they are the minority in the country, but its disingenuous to pretend this is all Russian manufactured chaos. A minority (12-20% depending on which sources you read/believe) in a country of 45 million people is still a significant amount of people.
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51213780]And why should I feel sorry for the prisoners he executed? Maybe they were Ukrainian gun crews who shelled residential areas. Maybe they were Azov Battalion neo-Nazis. We'll never know. It's the same logic.[/QUOTE]
wow
the best thing about this is: shift and change a couple of minor things in this post
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51213699]The dude had a wife and a kid you know. You think they're saying "lol good riddance"? You think the men and women he commanded (disagree with them if you might, but it takes a brave motherfucker to see your friends and family constantly get killed by artillery and finally decide enough's enough, pick up and AK, and go fight) are saying that? You think the people in Donetsk who aren't currently being abused by Ukrainian neo-Nazis because his men were able to hold them at the airport are saying that? Have a fucking heart. He's not some ISIS piece of shit, he's a human being who fought for, as much as you don't want to hear it, a decent cause.[/QUOTE]
and you could use your own logic to paint yourself as a horrible human being. you're a total hypocrite
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51213699]The dude had a wife and a kid you know. You think they're saying "lol good riddance"? You think the men and women he commanded (disagree with them if you might, but it takes a brave motherfucker to see your friends and family constantly get killed by artillery and finally decide enough's enough, pick up and AK, and go fight) are saying that? You think the people in Donetsk who aren't currently being abused by Ukrainian neo-Nazis because his men were able to hold them at the airport are saying that? Have a fucking heart. He's not some ISIS piece of shit, he's a human being who fought for, as much as you don't want to hear it, a decent cause.[/QUOTE]
Wow an actual war criminal apologist.
You disgust me.
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[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51213780]Please educate yourself about Ukraine. The people in western Ukraine wanted Yanukovich gone. The people in eastern Ukraine, in the previous election, voted for him in overwhelming numbers and wanted them him to stay. I'd hardly call that the majority of Ukrainian people wanting him gone when the vote between him and Tymoshenko was split pretty evenly.
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It's pretty obvious you're uneducated about Ukraine if you believe the entirety of Eastern Ukraine voted for Yanukovich. Now go away.
I fail to see how yanokovich beating yulia barely means anything about the Ukrainian people wanting to be closer to Russia at all. Iirc yulia had a bad reputation for being a wealthy oligarch that engaged in corruption. I also think that you're doing an awful lot of mental gymnastics to apologize for an actual war criminal.
Leader of a group of rebels causing chaos in a country with a civil war that should've never existed...
Yeah fuck this asshole...
I won't cry for him. but blowing him the fuck up in an apartment building elevator? That's overkill lmao.
Great work disrupting the lives of dozen of tenants and potentially causing civilian casualties you retards.
Could have just, y'know, quietly executed him in the building's garage or something.
giwi is next ...
just someone is trying consolidate power in the rebel regions
rivality between those 'group' commands wasn't anything new either ...
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51213699]The dude had a wife and a kid you know. You think they're saying "lol good riddance"? You think the men and women he commanded (disagree with them if you might, but it takes a brave motherfucker to see your friends and family constantly get killed by artillery and finally decide enough's enough, pick up and AK, and go fight) are saying that? You think the people in Donetsk who aren't currently being abused by Ukrainian neo-Nazis because his men were able to hold them at the airport are saying that? Have a fucking heart. He's not some ISIS piece of shit, he's a human being who fought for, as much as you don't want to hear it, a decent cause.[/QUOTE]
lol good riddance
The guys he executed had families too, use your own logic properly before talking.
Also, are you seriously using this discourse about Ukrainian neo-nazis, when he's literally an invader? A guy that came from Russia, to protect the poor Ukrainian people from the mean fascist Western Ukrainian neo-nazis. And I'm hearing this shit from a Canadian. Jeez
[t]http://i.imgur.com/3EN1AWq.jpg[/t]
Considering how many Maidan self defense fighters were integrated into the paramilitaries sent into eastern Ukraine by interior minister Andriy parubiy, cofounder of the fascist svoboda party and kommandant of Maidan...it's not like it's a ridiculous impossibility they were nazis. Most prisoners were just put to work cleaning up shelled rebel cities, and there's videos of captors screening for members of certain hated territorial defense battalions, like azov
If anyone actually cared about those affected by the crisis they wouldn't support our cynical exploitation of dreaded eastern european nationalism, it's such a strife ridden region that never had stable nation-states with properly delineated borders like we developed. Supporting west Ukrainian nationalists is just a recipe for disaster in such a poor and diverse country
[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;51214690]Are you fucking kidding me?
" Guys please, he was just another human with a wife and family don't say good riddance boohoo "
" Fuck the POWs though, prolly nazis lol! "
Hopefully you'll learn to keep your shit to yourself and learn to think about what you're about to write before you do it, because [I]holy shit[/I][/QUOTE]
No, you see. Ukraine is led by nazi facist junta! They want to exterminate all of Russia! The might coal miners of Donbass stand against that!
Just ignore the facts that president Poroshenko is native Russian speaker and most of Ukrainian Russians support post-Maidan government. And ignore the facts there's a ton of fascists and neo-nazis fighting for pro-Russian forces. And ignore that majority of "rebel" leadership were in fact publicly admitted Russian sleeper agents and that in early stages of war majority of "rebel" forces were Russian citizens.
The piece of shit deserved to be shot like the prisoners he executed, but at least he's dead.
Good work to whoever did it, rebel or Ukrainian sabotage group, I literally don't care.
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51213780]Please educate yourself about Ukraine. The people in western Ukraine wanted Yanukovich gone. The people in eastern Ukraine, in the previous election, voted for him in overwhelming numbers and wanted them him to stay. I'd hardly call that the majority of Ukrainian people wanting him gone when the vote between him and Tymoshenko was split pretty evenly.
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And why should I feel sorry for the prisoners he executed? Maybe they were Ukrainian gun crews who shelled residential areas. Maybe they were Azov Battalion neo-Nazis. We'll never know. It's the same logic.[/QUOTE]
This post gave me at least 3 different types of cancer.
On another note, is there anything else really fucked up this guy did? I'm sure there's a lot of shit he's done that we might not know everything about
Both sides are pretty shitty in the way they're handling this shit tbh.
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51213721]Did I say he was perfect? No. I'm just trying to shut up mr edgelord over here saying "good riddance" to the death of a human being.
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Besides, nobody in a war is perfect. Even the fucking Canadian military committed [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia_Affair]terrible war crimes in Somalia[/url][/QUOTE]
He's not being an edgelord, you're just pretending you have a high horse to sit on. Some people are awful and the world is better off without them. Sometimes those awful people have families. That doesn't mean the world needed him.
And awful people having family usually means family will be awful too.
[QUOTE=Araknid;51215457]Both sides are pretty shitty in the way they're handling this shit tbh.[/QUOTE]
Don't goddamn dare to equalize the blame here!
Russians started the war and are the aggressors. Russians started to terrorize the civilian populace objecting to pro-Russian rule. Russians started to target civilians. Russians violated first and majorly both ceasefires. Russians keep violating the ceasefires. Ukrainians are forced to respond to it all, despite their best efforts to restrain themselves. If they do not respond, they'll lose more ground and more lives.
Russians don't give a shit about breaking the rules, they only care for Ukrainians and the West to break the rules and look like hypocrites.
So don't you dare to equalize the blame!
Those "Motorola" jokes are the best thing in this thread.
I am going to hell for this along with that sonic guy ain't i?
Maybe his nickname was actually "Galaxy Note 7"
honestly good, i hope every pro russian dies in ukraine
[QUOTE=CroGamer002;51215587]Don't goddamn dare to equalize the blame here!
Russians started the war and are the aggressors. Russians started to terrorize the civilian populace objecting to pro-Russian rule. Russians started to target civilians. Russians violated first and majorly both ceasefires. Russians keep violating the ceasefires. Ukrainians are forced to respond to it all, despite their best efforts to restrain themselves. If they do not respond, they'll lose more ground and more lives.
Russians don't give a shit about breaking the rules, they only care for Ukrainians and the West to break the rules and look like hypocrites.
So don't you dare to equalize the blame![/QUOTE]
Not equalizing, I'm saying neither are perfect.
Pro-Russians did all the shit that everyone knows about, while Ukrainians have shelled donetsk and allowed neo-nazis to run around and do their shit.
Wasn't saying they were both equally to blame.
Even Amnesty International say that Ukrainians have done shit too.
[url]https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/europe-and-central-asia/ukraine/report-ukraine/[/url]
Put your excessive russian hate boner away.
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51213699]The dude had a wife and a kid you know. You think they're saying "lol good riddance"? You think the men and women he commanded (disagree with them if you might, but it takes a brave motherfucker to see your friends and family constantly get killed by artillery and finally decide enough's enough, pick up and AK, and go fight) are saying that? You think the people in Donetsk who aren't currently being abused by Ukrainian neo-Nazis because his men were able to hold them at the airport are saying that? Have a fucking heart. He's not some ISIS piece of shit, he's a human being who fought for, as much as you don't want to hear it, a decent cause.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like a war criminal to me. And is his decent cause the one where Putin pays the rebels money to destabilize the Ukrainian government and attempt to annex territory?
[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;51214108]I won't cry for him. but blowing him the fuck up in an apartment building elevator? That's overkill lmao.
Great work disrupting the lives of dozen of tenants and potentially causing civilian casualties you retards.
Could have just, y'know, quietly executed him in the building's garage or something.[/QUOTE]
I feel like you're oversimplifying how easy it might be to assassinate someone.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;51213824]Motorola himself was a literal Russian from Russia, for example. The man had nothing to do with Ukraine before the conflict started. A lot of these "rebels" are, especially the leadership[/QUOTE]
Who cares? Most of east Ukraine is full of Russians anyway.
Ethnically, Ukranians aren't really much different from Russians, they're basically just more racist Russians.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51215879]A war would have happened anyway, a civil war at the very least, even if Russia chose to not lift a finger.
I dont even understand why people think there are 2 sides to this conflict. There are like, 4 different groups with loosely coinciding ideals that are actively fighting right now. The Ukrainian military, the Ukrainian militia, the Russian rebels, and the Russian military. While there are two distinct opposing camps here, both the militia and the rebels are not subject to any rule or regulation or training. They are rag tag groups of people with varying degrees of hierarchy and even looser ideals for which they fight. Evidence to this are shit like the Azov battalion and this Motorola dude.
The complexity of this conflict makes putting the blame on any one side extremely difficult, because it's not even conventional warfare. It's borderline civil war but both sides are funded by their respective official supporters.
I don't want neither the Ukrainian militia nor the Rebels to gain the upper hand. Because both have done horrific shit and are proven terrible people with hidden motives and agendas.
So yeah, we ought to equalize the blame because people are not intelligent enough to support one side without recognizing the faults of the other. A prime example of this is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. And this mindset only leads to further conflict while providing no solutions.[/QUOTE]
Most of what you've said is pretty much invalid now because the vast majority of volunteer battalions have been merged into the military as regiments.
[QUOTE=Araknid;51215861]Not equalizing, I'm saying neither are perfect.
Pro-Russians did all the shit that everyone knows about, while Ukrainians have shelled donetsk and allowed neo-nazis to run around and do their shit.
Wasn't saying they were both equally to blame.
Even Amnesty International say that Ukrainians have done shit too.
[url]https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/europe-and-central-asia/ukraine/report-ukraine/[/url]
Put your excessive russian hate boner away.[/QUOTE]
Nobody is perfect but you can't equalize the blame on a few amnesty international reports.
The truth is that Russia and the seperatists are the aggressors, they started this shit in their borderline fascist love for Russia.
There's no excessive hateboner for Russia, seriously dude get real, they deserve all the hate they get.
Motorola was a gobshite, something tells me he won't be missed by even the Separatists.
[QUOTE=Mabus;51217069]Motorola was a gobshite, something tells me he won't be missed by even the Separatists.[/QUOTE]
They already claimed that they're gonna avenge him.
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51213699]The dude had a wife and a kid you know. You think they're saying "lol good riddance"?[/QUOTE]
the people who ran the concentration camps had wives and kids too, a few of them had their families live close enough that they could smell the burning charred corpses from the crematoriums, should we have sympathy for them too?
"Assassinated"?
No, exterminated.
Long live Ukraine!
[QUOTE=space1;51216204]Who cares? Most of east Ukraine is full of Russians anyway.
Ethnically, Ukranians aren't really much different from Russians, they're basically just more racist Russians.[/QUOTE]
That's a very simplistic view on Ukrainians, and my guess is that you've never been to Ukraine, never even knew anyone who has, and don't have any idea what you're talking about.
Also, even if any of what you said was true, it still doesn't justify Russians coming here just to start shit. I could say that America and the UK are pretty much the same, but no one from Britain goes to America to start a civil war, and you would never see me condoning such behavior if someone actually did.
[QUOTE=Govna;51213756]Lmao, you were one of those people telling us not to celebrate the successful assassination of Osama bin Laden "because he was a human being too" weren't you?[/QUOTE]
Does he say the same thing about Hitler too?
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