Slain 2-Year-Old Hit Grandfather With Toys As He Killed Her Mom
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[QUOTE=Holy-Smokes;33036221]Then chop his head off on public TV[/QUOTE]
lol
He killed someone so let's publicly execute him in the most brutish manner possible! That's not circulatory or anything!
[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;33036729]not sure if this is late, but i was trippin balls over heels because of the title. seriously make some grammatically correct titles...
[editline]30th October 2011[/editline]
now im even more mad because i just read the first few lines...what the fuck!!![/QUOTE]
Yes, because your posts are the epitome of grammatically correct prose.
[QUOTE=devotchkade;33036841]Yes, because your posts are the epitome of grammatically correct prose.[/QUOTE]
i'm not the one that made the thread so i don't give a fuck what i say in a post. if i made a thread, i'd make sure that the title is correct.
seriously, the title says the the dead toddler hit the grandfather and then killed the mother.
get off my dick brah
[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;33036857]i'm not the one that made the thread so i don't give a fuck what i say in a post. if i made a thread, i'd make sure that the title is correct.
seriously, the title says the the dead toddler hit the grandfather and then killed the mother.
get off my dick brah[/QUOTE]
Believe me, babe, I'm not the one touching your dick here.
You're being pedantic. I don't see why titles have to be grammatically correct, but in posts, anything goes? Right. The title isn't in text speak, and it coveys what needs to be conveyed.
Also, you're wrong. The pronoun 'he' in this sentence clearly refers to the grandfather, who is the only male who is explicitly mentioned by gender (as it may be, the toddler was female), and also the last male (or potential male) before the pronoun is used. If I said, "A person sold two cars to Michael; he liked them very much," it is clear I'm saying Michael liked them, not the person of unspecified gender.
[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;33036857]i'm not the one that made the thread so i don't give a fuck what i say in a post. if i made a thread, i'd make sure that the title is correct.
seriously, the title says the the dead toddler hit the grandfather and then killed the mother.
get off my dick brah[/QUOTE]
what kind of shitty education did you get?
I mean, somehow pages of people understood the title, yet it had you "trippin balls over heels"
seek help because I find it hard to believe you survive in day to day life
Edit: In fact, re-reading it, it actually says 'as he killed [i]her[/i] mom', so the toddler is [i]clearly[/i] female. Which makes you even more incorrect.
[editline]30th October 2011[/editline]
Thanks for breaking my automerge, Contag.
not sure if this is late, but i was trippin balls over heels because of the title. seriously make some grammatically correct titles...
i mean holy shit
how could a slain toddler throw stuff?
zombie toddler [img]http://www.adiumxtras.com/images/pictures/something_awful_2_6634_2842_image_3468.gif[/img]
[editline]30th October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=devotchkade;33037000]
Thanks for breaking my automerge, Contag.[/QUOTE]
automerge destroyer yourself
use edit for security
Jesus fuck why did I read this thread. WHY.
[QUOTE=devotchkade;33036982]Believe me, babe, I'm not the one touching your dick here.
You're being pedantic. I don't see why titles have to be grammatically correct, but in posts, anything goes? Right. The title isn't in text speak, and it coveys what needs to be conveyed.
Also, you're wrong. The pronoun 'he' in this sentence clearly refers to the grandfather, who is the only male who is explicitly mentioned by gender (as it may be, the toddler was female), and also the last male (or potential male) before the pronoun is used. If I said, "A person sold two cars to Michael; he liked them very much," it is clear I'm saying Michael liked them, not the person of unspecified gender.[/QUOTE]
because the the title can totally be put as "Slain 2-Year-Old Hit Grandfather With Toys; As He Killed Her Mom." the title isn't 2 separate thoughts goddamnit. plus the toddler is put as the subject of the sentence, thus the one doing the action. the title is wrong damnit.
[editline]30th October 2011[/editline]
sorry i can't understand incorrect grammar
[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;33037247]because the the title can totally be put as "Slain 2-Year-Old Hit Grandfather With Toys; As He Killed Her Mom." the title isn't 2 separate thoughts goddamnit. [/quote]
Point taken, the two sentences aren't similar in that way, so my example was off.
[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;33037247]plus the toddler is put as the subject of the sentence, thus the one doing the action. the title is wrong damnit.[/quote]
In this case the toddler and the grandfather were the subjects, so it isn't as clear-cut as you make it sound. If you read the whole title, you see that the toddler is female, the mother is clearly female, and the father/grandfather is clearly male, so it's not difficult to figure out who did what. The grandfather is the last male or potential male in the sentence before the pronoun 'he' is used, so, in context, it applies to him - that's the rule that most people use in contemporary times.
Also, grammar is not as clear-cut as you make it seem; there are plenty of grey areas. English itself is a ridiculous language that follows very few of its own rules. It's also changing all the time, too. A lot of it only makes sense in certain contexts. Bottom line is, this title is fairly easy to figure out (at least for most people), especially if you read the article. It says what it needs to in order to deliver the appropriate information. It's not glaringly incorrect to anyone other than you.
[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;33037247]
[editline]30th October 2011[/editline]
sorry i can't understand incorrect grammar[/QUOTE]
How do you read your own posts, then?
[QUOTE=devotchkade;33037298]Point taken, the two sentences aren't similar in that way, so my example was off.
In this case the toddler and the grandfather were the subjects, so it isn't as clear-cut as you make it sound. If you read the whole title, you see that the toddler is female, the mother is clearly female, and the father/grandfather is clearly male, so it's not difficult to figure out who did what. The grandfather is the last male or potential male in the sentence before the pronoun 'he' is used, so, in context, it applies to him - that's the rule that most people use in contemporary times.
Also, grammar is not as clear-cut as you make it seem; there are plenty of grey areas. English itself is a ridiculous language that follows very few of its own rules. It's also changing all the time, too. A lot of it only makes sense in certain contexts. Bottom line is, this title is fairly easy to figure out (at least for most people), especially if you read the article. It says what it needs to in order to deliver the appropriate information. It's not glaringly incorrect to anyone other than you.
How do you read your own posts, then?[/QUOTE]
haw haw. you insulted me.
anyway, just because you can understand the title, it doesn't make it grammatically correct. of course I could understand the title after I read the article, but when I just saw the title it didn't make sense. you even said it yourself:
[QUOTE=devotchkade;33037298]Bottom line is, this title is fairly easy to figure out (at least for most people), [b]especially if you read the article[/b]. It says what it needs to in order to deliver the appropriate information.[/quote]
by taking the title, just "Slain 2-Year-Old Hit Grandfather With Toys As He..." makes the toddler a male. but then it continues on with "...Killed Her Mom" then the title gets all kinds of fucked up. at least, this is how i first interpreted it. but really, this all could have been avoided if it just said "Grandfather brutally murders daughter and granddaughter" or something alike.
[QUOTE=devotchkade;33036756]You don't necessarily have to be what we consider to be 'elderly' to be a grandfather. In this case, the man was 39. His daughter, who had had a child, was 18. And no, he didn't have Alzheimer's, but he was quite mentally ill, from the look of it.
Also, read the article.
[editline]30th October 2011[/editline]
Except the person you were replying to wasn't talking about the man who committed the murder, he was talking about his father (who was, then, the grandfather and great-grandfather).[/QUOTE]
My mistake, i misread!
sorry!
[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;33037384]haw haw. you insulted me. [/quote]
I wasn't trying to insult you, I just don't see how you can fail to understand what it means.
[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;33037384]anyway, just because you can understand the title, it doesn't make it grammatically correct.[/quote]
Yes... I made that point myself. However, as I have said, English isn't clear-cut; it doesn't always (or even often) abide by its own rules. In this context, the grammar was not incorrect.
[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;33037384]by taking the title, just "Slain 2-Year-Old Hit Grandfather With Toys As He..." makes the toddler a male. but then it continues on with "...Killed Her Mom" then the title gets all kinds of fucked up. at least, this is how i first interpreted it. but really, this all could have been avoided if it just said "Grandfather brutally murders daughter and granddaughter" or something alike.[/QUOTE]
Or it could have been avoided if you hadn't felt so strongly about it that you made a post saying it made you trip balls, or whatever.
[editline]31st October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=fordzje;33037767]My mistake, i misread!
sorry![/QUOTE]
No need to apologize!
[QUOTE=devotchkade;33049457]I wasn't trying to insult you, I just don't see how you can fail to understand what it means.
Yes... I made that point myself. However, as I have said, English isn't clear-cut; it doesn't always (or even often) abide by its own rules. In this context, the grammar was not incorrect.
Or it could have been avoided if you hadn't felt so strongly about it that you made a post saying it made you trip balls, or whatever.
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I feel that the only reason you're responding now is to continue the argument and be a jackass. you're not even providing points anymore, you're just being a condescending douchebag. seriously, if you don't call that an insult then I might as well call you stupid only because you fail to see my point of view and say i didn't insult you. and as i said before, i understood the title [i]after[/i] i read the article.
as for my original comment, no one was asking you to respond to me, and i never called anyone out other than the OP.
lastly, by your logic, since the english language isn't clear-cut thus meaning it's open to interpretation, the way I interpreted the title made it grammatically incorrect. but the way you interpreted it made it correct. I can agree with this.
[QUOTE=sltungle;33017126]Well in that case NOTHING you ever do is 'willingfully' committed. By your logic we shouldn't fine or imprison people who beat their spouses because the part of their brain responsible for aggression is larger than normal! If they WERE normal though, they wouldn't have done it, so it's hardly fair, is it?
And people who do good things in life shouldn't be congratulated on them because they just so happened to be lucky enough to be bestowed with a brain which is highly developed for positive emotions and the ability to empathise with people!
Face it - your brain makes you who you are. If you're completely and utterly bonkers and the part of your brain responsible for reason is smaller than normal, and the part of your brain responsible for flipping out and murdering children is enlarged, then you should damn well be punished for flipping out and murdering children. Just like the guy who spends his hard earned money feeding the homeless and donating to charity should be seen as an upstanding member of the community for his actions - not as some dude who was just lucky enough to develop the neural connections that would allow him to be nice.[/QUOTE]
nature vs nurture.
you're missing half the picture
[QUOTE=LF9000;33052254]nature vs nurture.
you're missing half the picture[/QUOTE]
Once the damage is done its done. Like I said, if the problem is fixable (waked out chemical levels in the brain), fix it. If it turns out he has the brain of a violent sociopath there is literally nothing you can do to 'help' him. The brain determines who you are: what your favourite colour is, what your favourite food is, what clothes you prefer to wear, the kinds of people you'll like/dislike. If your brain is 'broken' then so are you.
[QUOTE=sltungle;33052289]The brain determines who you are: what your favourite colour is, what your favourite food is, what clothes you prefer to wear, the kinds of people you'll like/dislike. If your brain is 'broken' then so are you.[/QUOTE]
It's the life experiences and all the things people get exposed to in their lives that makes them who they are.
So I don't think the brain is necessarily broken. It's just the environmental factors, which I believe makes all the difference.
(And if this guy had a good childhood [b]etc[/b], then I don't see what could have possibly led him to this act of.. evilness)
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;33052557]It's the life experiences and all the things people get exposed to in their lives that makes them who they are.
So I don't think the brain is necessarily broken. It's just the environmental factors, which I believe makes all the difference.
(And if this guy had a good childhood [b]etc[/b], then I don't see what could have possibly led him to this act of.. evilness)[/QUOTE]
I think its a combination of the two. Sometimes the right variables can be interpreted incorrectly by a faulted brain and thus yield a negative result. At the same time, the wrong variables can yield a positive result in the right brain.
variables variables variables...
[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;33051008]I feel that the only reason you're responding now is to continue the argument and be a jackass. you're not even providing points anymore, you're just being a condescending douchebag. seriously, if you don't call that an insult then I might as well call you stupid only because you fail to see my point of view and say i didn't insult you. and as i said before, i understood the title [i]after[/i] i read the article. [/quote]
Oh, I'm the insulting one? Right. I never called you a jackass or a condescending douchebag, or stupid. I said your posts were riddled with grammatical mistakes (very minor ones, to be sure), which they are - which was pointed out because you were criticizing someone else's grammar. That's not an insult, that's a statement of fact.
And actually, I was responding because I don't accept your arguments. That's it. I have no vested interest in insulting you.
[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;33051008]as for my original comment, no one was asking you to respond to me, and i never called anyone out other than the OP. [/quote]
Right, except that this is a public forum, and if you wanted it to be private you could PM the OP. You say something where everyone can see and reply, then expect people to do so.
[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;33051008]lastly, by your logic, since the english language isn't clear-cut thus meaning it's open to interpretation, the way I interpreted the title made it grammatically incorrect. but the way you interpreted it made it correct. I can agree with this.[/QUOTE]
Missing my point, but cool.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;33058694]I think its a combination of the two. Sometimes the right variables can be interpreted incorrectly by a faulted brain and thus yield a negative result. At the same time, the wrong variables can yield a positive result in the right brain.
variables variables variables...[/QUOTE]
Again with the faulted brain. Faulted how? Your mind can take a lot of beating and recover.. And surely the genes also have some importance here like you said with the variables, some a little psycho genes can work out great for a child who has happy youth and all.. He won't even know about his genes too much, not today. But still play some role in who he is.
But no matter what kinda genes, child's mind is very vulnerable if exposed to something.. extreme.
I honestly don't understand the whole "You can't/can fix these people" argument. Nobody here knows anything about psychology, on both sides.
I find it irrelevant, and while he deserves help, he deserves punishment. When people argue about this, it seems the death of these two lives barely even matter, and this man is just a case to be worked on. There needs to be some sort of valid punishment for taking the very existence of a person away from them.
Also to make it clear, I'm against the death penalty.
This guy is disgusting :( the images I got from reading this are horrific.
I want him locked up, be it in prison or in an asylum. I wouldn't exactly feel bad for him if he was abused or beaten in prison but I won't say that it *should* happen. He is dangerous and needs to be put away from the public and he does need to be punished.
That two year old's last moments must have been terrifying, watching her mother's death at the hands of her grandfather before being stabbed 10 times herself. It's heartbreaking to picture it. May her and her mother rest in peace.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33014373]Why would you do that?
Unless he's insane or god told him to.[/QUOTE]
So basically unless he's insane or unless he's insane.
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