[QUOTE=ilikecorn;49769207]I'm not voting for him based on his ability to get shit done, I'd love it if he could get shit done, but I'm pretty ok with the idea that he'd roll in for 4 years, yell, scream, and bitch about how congress isn't doing working with him, and then roll out.
And that's ok. Because it's better than the other candidates.. who'd actively fuck the country INTO THE GOD DAMNED GROUND.[/QUOTE]
This is true, but I never actually heard why Clinton would destroy the country. I thought people's (here) biggest problem with her was that she's only a continuation of Obama's policies, and wouldn't change anything.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;49769295]Retirement funds are on you, not the government. Pensions are on your employer, not the government. The US we have Social Security which everyone pays into, but many people entering the workforce now will never see.[/QUOTE]
Yeup. Social Security is the one I meant to say.
Young people won't be getting that. It's on them to plan everything, and no ones taught them shit because school is a joke.
Rightfully so, Hillary's main points are not being Trump and being a woman.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;49769212]I've heard the opposite of that from most people I've seen talking about it.[/QUOTE]
Polls at the moment seem to reflect that Sanders has more popular support than either Hillary or Trump - but most of these people aren't registered as democrats or Republicans, and so they don't vote in the primaries. That said, Hillary's support is starting to evaporate and Sanders' is still steadily climbing, so I'm curious to know if he might actually win the nomination.
You only have to be registered in a party if your state has closed primaries afaik.
I'm not affiliated with either party and I still voted for Sanders.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;49768704]Actually it's that mindset that'll get trump elected. Don't assume that if it comes down to trump v bernie that bernie would sweep it, bernie has a ton of young voter support, historically young voters don't actually come out and vote on election day if they don't feel like it's on the line, trumps voter base consists of old white people, a group that isn't going to miss election day even if it kills them.[/QUOTE]
This election has gotten more people to sit up and pay attention than the last couple, because something real is at stake here. You've got two candidates who are polar opposites, and both of them running on the premise of patriotism, not power. Two candidates, mind, who wouldn't stand a chance in hell of winning an election under normal circumstances because of the views they hold.
But the times are changing. Sanders' biggest liability right now is his support by younger voters - not because they won't come out and vote during the election - they absolutely will - but because they don't register as democrats and won't vote in the primaries, meaning the nomination may yet go to Hillary. There's a chance that Sanders might still win the nomination, but that's all it will be - a chance.
[editline]18th February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Pascall;49769535]You only have to be registered in a party if your state has closed primaries afaik.
I'm not affiliated with either party and I still voted for Sanders.[/QUOTE]
Huh - I was under the impression that you HAD to be registered. Thanks for setting me straight.
[video=youtube;4uQutU7FzcQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uQutU7FzcQ[/video]
I'd feel gross voting for this. I'd rather vote for a Trump.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49769568][video=youtube;4uQutU7FzcQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uQutU7FzcQ[/video]
I'd feel gross voting for this. I'd rather vote for a Trump.[/QUOTE]
If you're a democrat in your leanings, do your part to make sure Sanders wins the primaries, then. And if I were American and was forced to choose between Trump and Hillary, I'd refrain from voting. Neither of them is the least bit better than the other.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49769056]NPR had a segment today explaining how that's not exactly the case.
To summarize, a lot of people don't believe Sanders' plans will work, let alone be implemented, but they find Hillary's plans even less feasible. It boils down to another year of "voting for the lesser evil" more than "voting for the person you want".[/QUOTE]
clinton claims she can put together stuff that the republicans will vote for (IE try to be bipartisan) unfortunatly Obama pretty much ran on the same platform 8 years ago and we now know that anything watered down to pass by the republicans will pretty much not have any teeth to do anything, and will just be a feel good piece of legislation
it always boils down to regardless of whether or not your points are good, people of the opposing party will shoot it down.
[QUOTE=Pascall;49769535]You only have to be registered in a party if your state has closed primaries afaik.
I'm not affiliated with either party and I still voted for Sanders.[/QUOTE]
ya and in some states where you register for a party, you only have to declare a choice at the polls
[QUOTE=Pascall;49769535]You only have to be registered in a party if your state has closed primaries afaik.
I'm not affiliated with either party and I still voted for Sanders.[/QUOTE]
If you register then you have to pay fees or dues to the party you register under? Or am I mistaken. NJ is closed primaries and I refuse to register for any party.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49769693]If you register then you have to pay fees or dues to the party you register under? Or am I mistaken. NJ is closed primaries and I refuse to register for any party.[/QUOTE]
You are mistaken. It's a little checkbox that you fill out in voter registration and you can change it however often and whenever you want.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;49769295]Retirement funds are on you, not the government. Pensions are on your employer, not the government. The US we have Social Security which everyone pays into, but many people entering the workforce now will never see.[/QUOTE]
Dude
cant you understand that can change? Did God come and told you that a gov shouldnt do the things Abyss proposes?
It's better for the youth to take the Sanders path. What's not good for you?
[QUOTE=phygon;49769707]You are mistaken. It's a little checkbox that you fill out in voter registration and you can change it however often and whenever you want.[/QUOTE]
Right, I just remembered that the Republicans, Democrats, and even the Libertarian had registration forms on their websites for paying dues so I wasn't completely sure.
[QUOTE=archangel125;49769563]This election has gotten more people to sit up and pay attention than the last couple, because something real is at stake here. You've got two candidates who are polar opposites, and both of them running on the premise of patriotism, not power. Two candidates, mind, who wouldn't stand a chance in hell of winning an election under normal circumstances because of the views they hold.
But the times are changing. Sanders' biggest liability right now is his support by younger voters - not because they won't come out and vote during the election - they absolutely will - but because they don't register as democrats and won't vote in the primaries, meaning the nomination may yet go to Hillary. There's a chance that Sanders might still win the nomination, but that's all it will be - a chance.
[editline]18th February 2016[/editline]
Huh - I was under the impression that you HAD to be registered. Thanks for setting me straight.[/QUOTE]
In connecticut you have to be registered to vote in your party. I registered democrat when sanders announced he was running
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;49769710]Dude
cant you understand that can change? Did God come and told you that a gov shouldnt do the things Abyss proposes?
It's better for the youth to take the Sanders path. What's not good for you?[/QUOTE]
What? I'm confused. Are you saying that the government should supply retirement funds/pensions for everyone (as in, not Social Security)
I turn 18 the day before election day, so if Bernie's on the ballot I'm definitely voting for him :terrists:
I think Bernie's policies will lead to economic disaster but it's for these exact reasons that I want to see him elected so that I can find out once and for all who is right. The only problem is he has no hope of ever pushing anything he wants through Congress.
I think March 15th is the Illinois primary right?
I'm ready to go right for Sanders.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49769693]If you register then you have to pay fees or dues to the party you register under? Or am I mistaken. NJ is closed primaries and I refuse to register for any party.[/QUOTE]
If you register to a party, you don't have to pay fees. But you can, every year, expect 3 or 4 letters asking for you to donate to the party you registered to, usually "a minimum of $25". This is completely voluntary and no law requires you to pay a cent to a political party if you do not wish to.
Also, I was under the impression that you simply declare which party you're voting for in the primary before going to the booth in New Jersey (I forget, it's been a while since I last voted in a primary).
I'm registered as an independent and IIRC, you simply say "I'm voting republican/democrat" for the primary, then they show you which options in that party you can vote for, which also bars you from voting for the opposing party. Can't say "I'm voting in the Democratic primary" then try to vote for Trump once in the booth.
[editline]18th February 2016[/editline]
Either way, it's [B]extremely important[/B] for independents to look up this information before going to the primary voting booth.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49769849]I think Bernie's policies will lead to economic disaster but it's for these exact reasons that I want to see him elected so that I can find out once and for all who is right. The only problem is he has no hope of ever pushing anything he wants through Congress.[/QUOTE]
I'm expecting nothing to happen as usual. Republicans will continue to do nothing in congress while accusing the president of being at fault.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49769849]I think Bernie's policies will lead to economic disaster but it's for these exact reasons that I want to see him elected so that I can find out once and for all who is right. The only problem is he has no hope of ever pushing anything he wants through Congress.[/QUOTE]
how does your mindset deal with the existence of countries like Denmark or Norway or Sweden? Are they socialist apocalypse hell holes or something?
Will you really be happy watching a nation fall apart just because it "proves you right"?(A pretty nebulous concept and one that would be very hard to verify that one specific thing was the cause)
would that really make you happy?
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;49768721]Superdelegates aren't as powerful as the clickbait articles are making it seem. First of all, many of them will switch their votes if Bernie starts gaining momentum, they always do. not only that, there's a relatively small number of them in comparison to regular delegates. The DNC most likely won't have a choice.[/QUOTE]
The DNC would be dumb fucking retarded at this point if they nominate Hilary over him. She's got too much dirt on her, literally a investigation by the FBI over her e-mail. Then again money fixes everything so that's unlikely. Kinda sad the Republican party is more democratic in electing candidates than the Democratic party.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49770115]how does your mindset deal with the existence of countries like Denmark or Norway or Sweden? Are they socialist apocalypse hell holes or something?
Will you really be happy watching a nation fall apart just because it "proves you right"?(A pretty nebulous concept and one that would be very hard to verify that one specific thing was the cause)
would that really make you happy?[/QUOTE]
No, they're not hellholes, but they're far from the utopias that they are often portrayed as. Not to mention they are drastically different societies. Which is why I want to know for sure if it would actually work in the US; I don't care for the outcome either way, I just want to know what would really happen. I'd be more than happy if it ended up actually improving society and the economy.
[QUOTE=Colteh;49769846]I turn 18 the day before election day, so if Bernie's on the ballot I'm definitely voting for him :terrists:[/QUOTE]
You might not be allowed to. I don't think you can register before you turn 18, and some places (like my state) have laws that you can't vote until 1 month after registering.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;49768704]Actually it's that mindset that'll get trump elected. Don't assume that if it comes down to trump v bernie that bernie would sweep it, bernie has a ton of young voter support, historically young voters don't actually come out and vote on election day if they don't feel like it's on the line, trumps voter base consists of old white people, a group that isn't going to miss election day even if it kills them.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, but out of all the elections I've seen about the US in my time alive, Trump v Bernie would probably be the only time young voters would get their shit together and go vote.
I don't even live in America and don't want Trump fucking it all up
Edit: I strongly believe Americans deserves a competent president, your country has been led by corporate doucheabags for years and they've been getting away with it too.
Americans deserve to have free health care & cheaper or free education. Australias not perfect either, but if I lose my job or get fucked up, our government actually helps us.
I went to the docs 3 times last week and it cost me $0. The medication I needed costs me $5, I also got a chest Xray which cost me $60 - which I'm getting all back.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49769392]Yeup. Social Security is the one I meant to say.
Young people won't be getting that. It's on them to plan everything, and no ones taught them shit because school is a joke.[/QUOTE]
What's so hard about planning for your retirement? Everyone does it here. It's literally mandated that you provide your employer with details of your superannuation fund account (Australian equivalent of a DCP/IRA/401k) so that they can make deposits into it for you, which you use to buy a retirement annuity when you retire. It's part of the reason why Australia has one of the most sustainable retirement systems in the world.
Snip - nvm I thought the retirement age was higher in aus, I am now informed
A lot of jobs don't even offer a 401k.
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.
