Syrian refugees in Turkey riot, attack Turkish citizens and fly their own flag at the camp.
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I don't see why everyone is so shocked that these camps are unstable environments. [url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/22/us-turkey-syria-refugees-idUSBRE86L0J020120722]Reuters reports[/url] that the temperatures there have hit 40 degrees this week, that can't have helped matters
[editline]22nd July 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=MajorMattem;36886951]I get the feeling that this was the last straw for Turkey.[/QUOTE]
I think Turkey in general right now is trying to prove itself as one of the liberal democracy bros of Europe, what with trying to get into the EU etc, so they pretty much have to take the refugees as part of that
40 degrees is nothing to an Arab. We have our ways of dealing with the heat. I highly doubt a mild (yes, mild. Temperatures reach up to 60 degrees easy in the Summer) day would set them into a frenzy. Tents are very thick and are surprisingly cool inside.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;36887787]Talk about biting the hand that feeds.[/QUOTE]
That's not so much biting the hand that feeds as it is viciously tearing it off and then defecating all over it.
This is pretty much how they act in Sweden aswell.
[QUOTE=smurfy;36890293][img]http://imgkk.com/i/bliw.gif[/img] [img]http://imgkk.com/i/9mzq.gif[/img] [img]http://imgkk.com/i/w5g-.png[/img][/QUOTE]
I'm retarded, sorry. Forgot Syria is a lot higher up North than the Gulf Arab countries.
[QUOTE=barraclogh;36890512]This is pretty much how they act in Sweden aswell.[/QUOTE]
Last time I checked, you were BOS.
[QUOTE=loopoo;36888199]It wasn't exactly the Renaissance though, was it? The Medieval era did have it's perks, but a majority of the age was spent with problems due to superstition, religion and all that malarkey. But you make a fair point.[/QUOTE]
Not quite.
The Renaissance invented the term Medieval to justify its own existence. The Renaissance (And even age of Enlightenment) weren't better than the Medieval period.
Witch hunting only kicked off as the 1400s came to an end. Religious extremism actually rose in the Reformation, and superstition was massive in the 17th century. (The belief you could sell your soul to the devil only came about then.)
The Medieval era had their fair share of non-scientific things, but it had a lot (Optics, gunpowder, machinery, metal, etc) of other developments. Even homeopathy was an Enlightenment idea in itself, which leads me to doubt how brilliant the "Age of Reason" actually was.
Alchemy was proven right (In a way) in the end though. Plus Healthcare hasn't advanced greatly since the Middle ages as hospitals are breeding grounds for diseases and the such.
Honestly, I would prefer to live in the late 1200s than the early to mid 1600s. (In Germany at least)
[QUOTE=Zambies!;36888178]Wasn't Islam ahead of Christian Europe for a good few hundred years?[/QUOTE]
Well the Byzantine Empire could arguably be a part of Christian Europe, and that was probably the most advanced one in the area.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;36892253]Not quite.
The Renaissance invented the term Medieval to justify its own existence. The Renaissance (And even age of Enlightenment) weren't better than the Medieval period.
Witch hunting only kicked off as the 1400s came to an end. Religious extremism actually rose in the Reformation, and superstition was massive in the 17th century. (The belief you could sell your soul to the devil only came about then.)
The Medieval era had their fair share of non-scientific things, but it had a lot (Optics, gunpowder, machinery, metal, etc) of other developments. Even homeopathy was an Enlightenment idea in itself, which leads me to doubt how brilliant the "Age of Reason" actually was.
Alchemy was proven right (In a way) in the end though. Plus Healthcare hasn't advanced greatly since the Middle ages as hospitals are breeding grounds for diseases and the such.
Honestly, I would prefer to live in the late 1200s than the early to mid 1600s. (In Germany at least)
Well the Byzantine Empire could arguably be a part of Christian Europe, and that was probably the most advanced one in the area.[/QUOTE]
Rated Winner cause that's exactly what you are. Was a tough choice between that or Informative. I stand corrected.
[QUOTE=loopoo;36890173]40 degrees is nothing to an Arab. We have our ways of dealing with the heat. I highly doubt a mild (yes, mild. Temperatures reach up to 60 degrees easy in the Summer) day would set them into a frenzy. Tents are very thick and are surprisingly cool inside.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but where do you live where it gets up to 140°F?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;36892253]Not quite.
The Renaissance invented the term Medieval to justify its own existence. The Renaissance (And even age of Enlightenment) weren't better than the Medieval period.
Witch hunting only kicked off as the 1400s came to an end. Religious extremism actually rose in the Reformation, and superstition was massive in the 17th century. (The belief you could sell your soul to the devil only came about then.)
The Medieval era had their fair share of non-scientific things, but it had a lot (Optics, gunpowder, machinery, metal, etc) of other developments. Even homeopathy was an Enlightenment idea in itself, which leads me to doubt how brilliant the "Age of Reason" actually was.
Alchemy was proven right (In a way) in the end though. Plus Healthcare hasn't advanced greatly since the Middle ages as hospitals are breeding grounds for diseases and the such.
Honestly, [B]I would prefer to live in the late 1200s than the early to mid 1600s[/B]. (In Germany at least)
Well the Byzantine Empire could arguably be a part of Christian Europe, and that was probably the most advanced one in the area.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget that facepunch didn't exist for you to spend all day on. And Stalin had yet to exist for you to base your political ideals on.
Just an fyi for people who don't know this guy's an involuntarily celibate Stalinist lol.
What makes you think you would be anything other than the illiterate dumb peasant the majority of Renaissance Germany still was at the time?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;36892253]Not quite.
The Renaissance invented the term Medieval to justify its own existence. The Renaissance (And even age of Enlightenment) weren't better than the Medieval period.
Witch hunting only kicked off as the 1400s came to an end. Religious extremism actually rose in the Reformation, and superstition was massive in the 17th century. (The belief you could sell your soul to the devil only came about then.)
The Medieval era had their fair share of non-scientific things, but it had a lot (Optics, gunpowder, machinery, metal, etc) of other developments. Even homeopathy was an Enlightenment idea in itself, which leads me to doubt how brilliant the "Age of Reason" actually was.
Alchemy was proven right (In a way) in the end though. Plus Healthcare hasn't advanced greatly since the Middle ages as hospitals are breeding grounds for diseases and the such.
[B]
Honestly, I would prefer to live in the late 1200s than the early to mid 1600s. (In Germany at least)
[/B]
Well the Byzantine Empire could arguably be a part of Christian Europe, and that was probably the most advanced one in the area.[/QUOTE]
You want to be born into plague, isolation, poverty, starvation, war, and hardship. OKAAAAAAY.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;36892253]
Honestly, I would prefer to live in the late 1200s than the early to mid 1600s. (In Germany at least)
[/QUOTE]
Have fun slopping mud around, vile serf.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;36892253]Not quite.
The Renaissance invented the term Medieval to justify its own existence. The Renaissance (And even age of Enlightenment) weren't better than the Medieval period.
Witch hunting only kicked off as the 1400s came to an end. Religious extremism actually rose in the Reformation, and superstition was massive in the 17th century. (The belief you could sell your soul to the devil only came about then.)
The Medieval era had their fair share of non-scientific things, but it had a lot (Optics, gunpowder, machinery, metal, etc) of other developments. Even homeopathy was an Enlightenment idea in itself, which leads me to doubt how brilliant the "Age of Reason" actually was.
Alchemy was proven right (In a way) in the end though. Plus Healthcare hasn't advanced greatly since the Middle ages as hospitals are breeding grounds for diseases and the such.
Honestly, I would prefer to live in the late 1200s than the early to mid 1600s. (In Germany at least)
Well the Byzantine Empire could arguably be a part of Christian Europe, and that was probably the most advanced one in the area.[/QUOTE]
healthcare hasn't advanced greatly since the middle ages??? what??????
[QUOTE=Starpluck;36893698]You want to be born into plague, isolation, poverty, starvation, war, and hardship. OKAAAAAAY.[/QUOTE]
Didn't even think of those when I made my post. We have our differences but damn I <3 you bro
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;36892253]Not quite.
The Renaissance invented the term Medieval to justify its own existence. The Renaissance (And even age of Enlightenment) weren't better than the Medieval period.
Witch hunting only kicked off as the 1400s came to an end. Religious extremism actually rose in the Reformation, and superstition was massive in the 17th century. (The belief you could sell your soul to the devil only came about then.)
The Medieval era had their fair share of non-scientific things, but it had a lot (Optics, gunpowder, machinery, metal, etc) of other developments. Even homeopathy was an Enlightenment idea in itself, which leads me to doubt how brilliant the "Age of Reason" actually was.
Alchemy was proven right (In a way) in the end though. Plus Healthcare hasn't advanced greatly since the Middle ages as hospitals are breeding grounds for diseases and the such.
Honestly, I would prefer to live in the late 1200s than the early to mid 1600s. (In Germany at least)
Well the Byzantine Empire could arguably be a part of Christian Europe, and that was probably the most advanced one in the area.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Blackdeath2.gif[/img]
Enjoy your black plague
Cracow don't give no shits about the black plague :v:
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;36894116][img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Blackdeath2.gif[/img]
Enjoy your black plague[/QUOTE]
How Milan and Cracow didn't get black plague? Did they go all Madaqascar?
Wow, now the Turks now how everybody in Western Europe feels about them.
[QUOTE=Groat;36895033]Wow, now the Turks now how everybody in Western Europe feels about them.[/QUOTE]Uhh, what?
[QUOTE=Groat;36895033]Wow, now the Turks [b]know[/b] how everybody in Western Europe feels about them.[/QUOTE]
Is this what you are trying to say?
[QUOTE=Careld;36895256]Is this what you are trying to say?[/QUOTE]I understood what he meant to type, but not what he was trying to say.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;36887176]See, this is why I will never fucking understand the Middle East or those living there. Shit like this feels like it happens all the time, and that no matter what goes right or wrong, they're still constantly killing each other.
It's a gigantic clusterfuck and if I had my way we wouldn't even bother with the region as a whole. It's a goddamn mess, it always has been, and if things continue this way, it always will be.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. The only time they didn't kill each other was when the Europeans invaded, so they had to kill them instead!
Honestly, I hate to say it, but we need to stay out of there. I wouldn't mind lending drone support to Syrian rebels, but I know their revolution probably wont turn out well. I imagine that a revolutionary leader will get power hungry and start the oppression cycle all over again.
[QUOTE=BananaFoam;36895487]Yeah. The only time they didn't kill each other was when the Europeans invaded, so they had to kill them instead!
Honestly, I hate to say it, but we need to stay out of there. I wouldn't mind lending drone support to Syrian rebels, but I know their revolution probably wont turn out well. I imagine that a revolutionary leader will get power hungry and start the oppression cycle all over again.[/QUOTE]Like Libya or Egypt or Tunisia? They're all currently operating under Democratic systems. No one just took over and held power. They held open, democratic elections, the people were able to choose their leaders.
[editline]23rd July 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=BananaFoam;36895487]Yeah. The only time they didn't kill each other was when the Europeans invaded, so they had to kill them instead![/QUOTE]And really, when was Europe any better about killing each other? Seriously, they had hard times not killing each other even when they were invading the middle east.
[QUOTE=Megafan;36893214]Sorry, but where do you live where it gets up to 140°F?[/QUOTE]
Could be 40 degrees via heat index.
[URL]http://www.maineharbors.com/weather/convert3.htm[/URL]
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;36886806]Now rioting is an act of terrorism. Great conclusions drawn[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for a religious, political or, ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians). Some definitions now include acts of unlawful violence and war. The use of similar tactics by criminal organizations for protection rackets or to enforce a code of silence is usually not labeled terrorism though these same actions may be labeled terrorism when done by a politically motivated group.[/QUOTE]
Sounds just like terrorism to me. They were terrorists in Syria, that is. But they held policemen captive in the refugee camp, wounded a few too.
[QUOTE=Megafan;36893214]Sorry, but where do you live where it gets up to 140°F?[/QUOTE]
I live in Kuwait (well, only during Summers). Temperatures here reach 60 degrees celsius quite commonly, but the norm temperature is usually around the 50 degrees celsius mark. It's bloody hot over here. Countries like Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Dubai all reach ridiculously high temperatures in the summer.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;36893698]You want to be born into plague, isolation, poverty, starvation, war, and hardship. OKAAAAAAY.[/QUOTE]
Well you horribly understand how the situation in medieval Europe actually was.
The late 1200s was a time of relative prosperity in Europe, as the Medieval warm period was coming to an end around that time. It was warm enough to grow wine in England. Plus there's the fact that the plague had yet to come for another 50 years. Literacy was also a real goal for many people, and not something that was unrealistically distant.
Peasants also weren't exactly in poverty, in the village of Wharram Percy in Yorkshire as one example, there is evidence of the peasantry eating pork, lamb, beef, fruit and vegetables.
In contrast, the mid 1600s were kind of shit. You had inflation going on, the 30 years war was wrecking Germany inside and out, plus religious extremism was pretty high.
There were times when the Medieval peasant had it pretty good.
[QUOTE=RBM11;36893258]Don't forget that facepunch didn't exist for you to spend all day on. And Stalin had yet to exist for you to base your political ideals on.
Just an fyi for people who don't know this guy's an involuntarily celibate Stalinist lol.
What makes you think you would be anything other than the illiterate dumb peasant the majority of Renaissance Germany still was at the time?[/QUOTE]
Sorry but this post is horribly dumb.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;36893740]Have fun slopping mud around, vile serf.[/QUOTE]
The serfs were only a few of some of the people around then. They also didn't spend all of their time slopping mud around and getting oppressed.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;36893758]healthcare hasn't advanced greatly since the middle ages??? what??????[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/11856.php[/url]
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;36894116][img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Blackdeath2.gif[/img]
Enjoy your black plague[/QUOTE]
Yeah but that's the mid 14th century not 13th century.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;36898151]
Peasants also weren't exactly in poverty, in the village of Wharram Percy in Yorkshire as one example, there is evidence of the peasantry eating pork, lamb, beef, fruit and vegetables. [/QUOTE]
lmao
[QUOTE=gra;36904281]lmao[/QUOTE]
It was very dependent upon the weather, and during the 1200s, things were pretty good a lot of the time for peasantry. Famines and starvation still happened of course when harvests failed.
Stuff only started to get troublesome in the late medieval crisis, which is when massive famines and the plague arrived.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;36893698]You want to be born into plague, isolation, poverty, starvation, war, and hardship. OKAAAAAAY.[/QUOTE]
Also you misread my post.
I said I would PREFER the 13th century to the 17th. I would prefer the 21st century to BOTH.
You may also note that what you listed apply more to the 17th century than the 13th.
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