MARYLAND: Trans Woman Brutally Attacked At Baltimore McDonald's - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Sanius;29370813]yes which is why gender is a choice. if you are a male but believe you are a female, nobody can tell you that you are a male. you have freedom of choice[/QUOTE] That's not freedom of choice it's freedom of not having it chosen for you

[QUOTE=Zeke129;29370819]That's not freedom of choice it's freedom of not having it chosen for you[/QUOTE] freedom of not having it chosen for you is freedom of choice

Damn, should've just posted the rest of it separately :smith:

[QUOTE=Sanius;29370825]freedom of not having it chosen for you is freedom of choice[/QUOTE] But in your scenario that person didn't choose to identify as a female so it wasn't a choice The only choice is the decision to ignore people telling you that you're what you aren't

[QUOTE=Zeke129;29370812]he's right when it comes to this, swilly[/QUOTE] I wasn't saying he's wrong.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;29370837]But in your scenario that person didn't choose to identify as a female so it wasn't a choice [/QUOTE] yes he did. he became aware of what a male is and what a female is and decided that he is a female rather than a male

[QUOTE=Sanius;29370855]yes he did. he became aware of what a male is and what a female is and decided that he is a female rather than a male[/QUOTE] .....that sounds an awful lot like coming out the closet scenario :v: Person One realizes that he is not A but is actually B.

[QUOTE=Swilly;29370866].....that sounds an awful lot like coming out the closet scenario :v: Person One realizes that he is not A but is actually B.[/QUOTE] I'm talking about very early stages of childhood. you aren't born into a gender. people tell you what gender you are and you are capable of rejecting that

[QUOTE=Sanius;29370879]I'm talking about very early stages of childhood. you aren't born into a gender. people tell you what gender you are and you are capable of rejecting that[/QUOTE] I know, just sounds like it.

[QUOTE=Sanius;29370855]yes he did. he became aware of what a male is and what a female is and decided that he is a female rather than a male[/QUOTE] I think you begin learning of those and forming an identity before you're consciously aware of what's happening It's not like a choice you can come to in one weekend when you're 28 or something

[QUOTE=Zeke129;29370903] It's not like a choice you can come to in one weekend when you're 28 or something[/QUOTE] that's not what I meant anyway a gender identity is something you form as life goes on. it's not something that you're born with nor is it something that people can force on you

[QUOTE=Zeke129;29370903]I think you begin learning of those and forming an identity before you're consciously aware of what's happening It's not like a choice you can come to in one weekend when you're 28 or something[/QUOTE] Sudden realization on the toilet? "Wait a second....I DON'T WANT A PENIS!"

[QUOTE=Sanius;29370931]that's not what I meant anyway a gender identity is something you form as life goes on. it's not something that you're born with nor is it something that people can force on you[/QUOTE] But neither of those makes it a conscious choice and that was my point this entire time

[QUOTE=Swilly;29370932]Sudden realization on the toilet? "Wait a second....I DON'T WANT A PENIS!"[/QUOTE] that's transsexualism but okay

[QUOTE=Zeke129;29370937]But neither of those makes it a conscious choice and that was my point this entire time[/QUOTE] It slowly sounding like my theory of sexuality which has no proof really so it doesn't count. :sigh: I should start working on getting proof for that. [editline]23rd April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sanius;29370941]that's transsexualism but okay[/QUOTE] Joke :v:

[QUOTE=Zeke129;29370937]But neither of those makes it a conscious choice and that was my point this entire time[/QUOTE] how is it not a conscious choice if it's not something you're born with and not something that can be forced on you? what is your idea of a conscious choice?

[QUOTE=Sanius;29370952]how is it not a conscious choice if it's not something you're born with and not something that can be forced on you? what is your idea of a conscious choice?[/QUOTE] Whether or not I should go to sleep.

[QUOTE=Sanius;29370952]how is it not a conscious choice if it's not something you're born with and not something that can be forced on you? what is your idea of a conscious choice?[/QUOTE] - What to wear in the morning - What to put on my toast - Whether I'll shave before or after I shower Those are choices, something that happens subconsciously in the first several years of your life isn't a choice

This is almost as bad as that random attack in the D.C. Metro earlier this year. First thing I thought of when I read the article.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;29370963] Those are choices, something that happens subconsciously in the first several years of your life isn't a choice[/QUOTE] it's a subconscious choice then. happy?

[QUOTE=Sanius;29370984]it's a subconscious choice then. happy?[/QUOTE] As much of a choice as your dreams are, sure

[QUOTE=Zeke129;29370998]As much of a choice as your dreams are, sure[/QUOTE] so you literally can't get fed up with gender roles one day and decide to change your gender identity or drop it altogether? dancing around meaningless semantics is exhausting

[QUOTE=Zeke129;29370998]As much of a choice as your dreams are, sure[/QUOTE] But I can change my dream :smith: [editline]23rd April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sanius;29371021]so you literally can't get fed up with gender roles one day and decide to change your gender identity or drop it altogether? dancing around meaningless semantics is exhausting[/QUOTE] If you drop it altogether I believe you just stop caring and live your life with the gender you have been given good sir.

[QUOTE=Sanius;29371021]so you literally can't get fed up with gender roles one day and decide to change your gender identity or drop it altogether?[/QUOTE] By the time you're old enough to have this discussion your gender identity is already too deeply ingrained to make that change

[QUOTE=Zeke129;29371053]By the time you're old enough to have this discussion your gender identity is already too deeply ingrained to make that change[/QUOTE] Again, why not?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;29371053]By the time you're old enough to have this discussion your gender identity is already too deeply ingrained to make that change[/QUOTE] that would be true is gender wasn't a concept

[QUOTE=Sanius;29371067]that would be true is gender wasn't a concept[/QUOTE] well if you want to change your gender identity right now and prove me wrong I'm open to it well not now, I'm going to bed now, I'll be open tomorrow

there is literally nothing stopping me from deciding that I'm a female tomorrow. your argument is completely invalid

[QUOTE=Sanius;29371097]there is literally nothing stopping me from deciding that I'm a female tomorrow. your argument is completely invalid[/QUOTE] It's like that mental illness where people try to cut off their own limbs because for some reason they have an overpowering feeling that they should not have them. It's not a choice, and it's not even purely psychological.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;29371122]and it's not even purely psychological.[/QUOTE] yes it is