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[QUOTE=Sanius;29381297]society didn't spontaneously come into existence. it evolved over hundreds of thousands of years[/QUOTE] Then if it evolved then you are saying that humans also evolved with it, and therefore prejudice is in our genes.

[QUOTE=Sanius;29381885]common sense[/QUOTE] Are fetishes biological too? Like, big booty gene, furry gene, scat gene, etc. Just curious.

[QUOTE=Sanius;29381786]no you can't gender identity is psychological and sexual arousal is biological[/QUOTE] .......Uhhhhhhhhh Hahahahahaha.. Sexual arousal is as much mental as it is physical.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;29381986]Then if it evolved then you are saying that humans also evolved with it, and therefore prejudice is in our genes.[/QUOTE] no, it was social evolution not biological evolution [QUOTE=Silly Sil;29382116]Are fetishes biological too? Like, big booty gene, furry gene, scat gene, etc. Just curious.[/QUOTE] no

[QUOTE=Sanius;29382205]no, it was social evolution not biological evolution no[/QUOTE] I'm now extremely confused.

So wait, you can convince yourself that you are a girl trapped in male body because that's psychological, you can't convince yourself that you are gay because that biological, but you can convince yourself that big booty porn arouses you because it's not biological? Why can you do that and you can't convince yourself that dicks arouse you? Also aren't you confusing gender identity with gender role? Please answer all my questions not only the last one.

this is all a battle of semantics that will never end. I'm done

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;29381861]:pwn: Source?[/QUOTE] A lot of social sciences started considering gender and sex independent with gender being a social role or psychological construct. Look it up on Wikipedia if you have a hard time believing it. In settings where distinction between biological features and behaviors and that are merited, gender and sex are not synonymous. It's only in contexts where one is paying no attention to anything but biology (certain medical texts, studies on animals with no social behavior of note) that the two are synonymous. [url]http://www.who.int/topics/gender/en/[/url]

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;29382377]A lot of social sciences started considering gender and sex independent with gender being a social role or psychological construct. Look it up on Wikipedia if you have a hard time believing it. In settings where distinction between biological features and behaviors and that are merited, gender and sex are not synonymous. It's only in contexts where one is paying no attention to anything but biology (certain medical texts, studies on animals with no social behavior of note) that the two are synonymous. [url]http://www.who.int/topics/gender/en/[/url][/QUOTE] I'd like to see those studies, because that just sounds retarded :v:

[QUOTE=Sanius;29381786]no you can't gender identity is psychological and sexual arousal is biological[/QUOTE] What you just said is people are born gay. You're fucking retarded :frog:

[QUOTE=Swilly;29382534]I'd like to see those studies, because that just sounds retarded :v:[/QUOTE] No, that just makes sense.

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;29382377]A lot of social sciences started considering gender and sex independent with gender being a social role or psychological construct. Look it up on Wikipedia if you have a hard time believing it. In settings where distinction between biological features and behaviors and that are merited, gender and sex are not synonymous. It's only in contexts where one is paying no attention to anything but biology (certain medical texts, studies on animals with no social behavior of note) that the two are synonymous. [url]http://www.who.int/topics/gender/en/[/url][/QUOTE] Yes, I know sex and gender identity are independent. That's why you get males trapped in female body and vice versa.

[QUOTE=Binladen34;29382558]What you just said is people are born gay. You're fucking retarded :frog:[/QUOTE] huh? how the hell did you get that from what I posted?

[QUOTE=archangel125;29382561]No, that just makes sense.[/QUOTE] No it doesn't because at its core, whatever happens biologically must be confirmed to happen mentally. Its not muscle memory people. Infact muscle memory implies that you're brain remembers to do that :v:

[QUOTE=Sanius;29382372]this is all a battle of semantics that will never end. I'm done[/QUOTE] "I'm loosing this argument time to evacuate" See if you were right we wouldn't even have the sex change operations. Nobody would be unhappy with their body because they would just convince themselves they are what they appear to be.

[QUOTE=Swilly;29382610]No it doesn't because at its core, whatever happens biologically must be confirmed to happen mentally. Its not muscle memory people. Infact muscle memory implies that you're brain remembers to do that :v:[/QUOTE] While that is true, it has nothing whatsoever to do with gender identity, psychologically speaking.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;29382624]Nobody would be unhappy with their body because they would just convince themselves they are what they appear to be.[/QUOTE] that's completely parallel to what I was arguing

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;29382570]Yes, I know sex and gender identity are independent. That's why you get males trapped in female body and vice versa.[/QUOTE] ...then why the hell did you want a citation? I get the feeling you guys aren't entirely clear on what you're arguing over.

[QUOTE=Sanius;29382582]huh? how the hell did you get that from what I posted?[/QUOTE] Silly Sil posted: You can choose to identify yourself as a woman as much as [B]you can choose to be aroused by gay sex[/B]. no you can't gender identity is psychological and [B]sexual arousal is biological [/B]

[QUOTE=Binladen34;29382679]Silly Sil posted: You can choose to identify yourself as a woman as much as [B]you can choose to be aroused by gay sex[/B]. no you can't gender identity is psychological and [B]sexual arousal is biological [/B][/QUOTE] did you completely skip over "as much as" in his response? that was one complete sentence, not two this whole argument makes no fucking sense

[QUOTE=Binladen34;29382558]What you just said is people are born gay. You're fucking retarded :frog:[/QUOTE] Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [url]http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V9F-4619GBX-1&_user=10&_coverDate=06%2F30%2F2003&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=61e15c61fbd0a72ffce85b55d3b25369&searchtype=a[/url] Sexuality might be somewhat mutable, but there's definitely evidence you can be "born gay", or at the very least be more likely to be gay based on basic biological factors.

[QUOTE=Sanius;29382639]that's completely parallel to what I was arguing[/QUOTE] ... are you fucking kidding me? People who go through sex changes are unhappy in their bodies, because someone with a male body identifies himself as a female or vice versa. There is no other way for them, they can either be unhappy in a wrong body till they die or go through sex change. Now according to you they can just convince themselves they are what they appear to be. Why don't they? [QUOTE=Xenocidebot;29382671]...then why the hell did you want a citation? I get the feeling you guys aren't entirely clear on what you're arguing over.[/QUOTE] For "gender identity being psychological" and "sexual arousal being biological"

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;29382729] People who go through sex changes are unhappy in their bodies, because someone with a male body identifies himself as a female or vice versa. [/QUOTE] that's what I've been arguing the entire time you have abysmal reading comprehension

[QUOTE=Sanius;29382764]that's what I've been arguing the entire time you have abysmal reading comprehension[/QUOTE] And you have abysmal problem with reading entire posts. Here's the rest of my post so you might read it. Do you want me to divide it into more posts so your short attention span can keep up? [QUOTE=Silly Sil;29382729]There is no other way for them, they can either be unhappy in a wrong body till they die or go through sex change. Now according to you they can just convince themselves they are what they appear to be. Why don't they?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;29382816]And you have abysmal problem with reading entire posts.[/QUOTE] the rest of your post was idiotic. I never argued that people who have issues with their gender identity should identify as what gender identity people assign to them

[QUOTE=Sanius;29382841]the rest of your post was idiotic. I never argued that people who have issues with their gender identity should identify as what gender identity people assign to them[/QUOTE] You are saying they can change their gender identity at free will.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;29382853]You are saying they can change their gender identity at free will.[/QUOTE] yes and there is absolutely nothing incorrect about that statement

[QUOTE=archangel125;29382636]While that is true, it has nothing whatsoever to do with gender identity, psychologically speaking.[/QUOTE] Except the fact psychology examines the brain and how it makes us humans tick :v: [editline]23rd April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Xenocidebot;29382727]Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [url]http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V9F-4619GBX-1&_user=10&_coverDate=06%2F30%2F2003&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=61e15c61fbd0a72ffce85b55d3b25369&searchtype=a[/url] Sexuality might be somewhat mutable, but there's definitely evidence you can be "born gay", or at the very least be more likely to be gay based on basic biological factors.[/QUOTE] I'll go with the latter.

[QUOTE=Sanius;29382866]yes and there is absolutely nothing incorrect about that statement[/QUOTE] Okay lets try the points approach. Reality 1. A guy identifies himself as a woman trapped in female body. 2. Is unhappy. 3. Wants to be happy, the only way is to go through sex change operation. 4. Goes through the operation, the body matches the gender identity. 5. Is happy. If you could choose your gender identity 1. A guy identifies himself as a woman trapped in female body. 2. Is unhappy. 3. Wants to be happy. 4. Convinces himself he's a female, the body matches the gender identity. 5. Is happy. But it doesn't happen.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;29382936]Okay lets try the points approach. Reality 1. A guy identifies himself as a woman trapped in female body. 2. Is unhappy. 3. Wants to be happy, the only way is to go through sex change operation. 4. Goes through the operation, the body matches the gender identity. 5. Is happy. If you could choose your gender identity 1. A guy identifies himself as a woman trapped in female body. 2. Is unhappy. 3. Wants to be happy. 4. Convinces himself he's a female, the body matches the gender identity. 5. Is happy. But it doesn't happen.[/QUOTE] I think this amounts to him blaming society and all its wicked ways.