Airlines cut deeper into legroom to help boost profits - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Clementine;37335806]jesus christ 6'9, that's too fucking tall[/QUOTE] That's about my height also. I'll add planes to the list of vehicles I can never be comfortable in.

fuck and i have a 12 hour flight this upcoming winter

No. No. Fucking no. I'm 6'5" and have a huge problem with fitting into most cars and buses. Why would you DECREASE the leg room? I'd like to have actually have knees when I'm 50, thanks.

At least I don't have to fly that often. I'm 198cm :( What annoys me more is car companies making more and more cars tiny and cramped. I can't sit up straight in most cars.

Qatar Airways and Emirates master race. Never lack legspace.

[QUOTE=Pace.;37335502]holy shit im 5'7 and i have barely any legroom really feel for you taller guys[/QUOTE] 5' 8 1/2 here. Virgin Atlantic's seats were shit, South African Airways were shit, and British Airways... God I'm never flying as it's a horrible experience. I came out with a headache and a sore ass.

Guess I'll never be flying anywhere. 6'5, bad enough on public transport in general.

God damnit. I already had to get up once every 5 minutes on a 12 hour flight.. 6'3" I almost died in there.

6'3 here. I struggle to find any seats on a bus where I can sit comfortably - along with alot of cars. Even my new bed in my Student accommodation my feet hang off the end. Planes were always the worst and will forever hold their reputation.

Southwest is pretty much the busing service of the airline industry. You get what you pay for

judging by the heights in this thread, facepunch must be some type of secret nba training camp

I'm around 6'2" and I never even try to get comfortable on a plane. The only thing I can hope for is an emergency exit seat, or a spot on the aisle row to stretch every once in a while.

[QUOTE=Robbobin;37326799]Think of it this way: much more efficient, fuel-wise.[/QUOTE] Think of it this way: fuck you. [editline]21st August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Clementine;37335806]jesus christ 6'9, that's too fucking tall[/QUOTE] Tell me about it, I'm 210cm so about 6'10".

Guys, just book a seat in the front row (for leg room) or the back row (for reclining room) ok?

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;37333964]How is being able to move your legs a luxury? I dunno about you but I know a fair few people who already needed to pay extra for leg room because otherwise they can't sit comfortably since their knees are jammed against the seats in front so this pretty much fucks them over.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying its a luxury. That's basically the opposite of what I'm saying. I'm saying you're not owed any amount of legroom unless it's agreed to as part of your transaction (buying the ticket). If there's demand for cheap legroom and it's a profitably viable model for an airline, someone should come along and fill the gap in the market. If not, there's nothing you should be able to do to [I]force[/I] people how they should provide their voluntary service. [editline]21st August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=ijyt;37338641]Think of it this way: fuck you.[/QUOTE] okay

[img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/09/13/article-1311623-0B2ABAE0000005DC-472_634x594.jpg[/img] Not too long, now! [editline]21st August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Robbobin;37338895] I'm saying you're not owed any amount of legroom unless it's agreed to as part of your transaction (buying the ticket).[/QUOTE] That doesn't make any sense, what if one day there was no legroom and just seats? Would you walk onto that plane and go "oh it's okay, we didn't agree to have any legroom anyway" then do some kind of transformation where your legs rise up inside your body? It's like being sold a car with no wheels then the seller turning around and saying "oh we never said it would have wheels". Some things can be reasonably assumed, and enough space so your knees don't get turned into mush is/should be one of those things

A car seller has an obligation to provide cars with wheels because if he didn't there'd be no repeat sales, and word of his shitty service would spread through word of mouth. It would be a disastrous business model. It ought to be the same with legroom; if they don't provide enough, don't give them repeat business and deter people from using them. It's ridiculous that people always bitch and moan about businesses caring about nothing other than money, and then expecting them to listen to your bitching. Nobody's actually came to the thread with a solution. Should there be legal sanctions to legroom? Meaning there's a genuine threat of violence if planes aren't fitted with enough. But nobody seems to be taking the plunge and say this should be the case (because it's absurd). Its totally beyond me how people feel so entitled to be given so many things without the other party consenting.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;37339633]you're fucking with me that isn't real right? RIGHT?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-1311678/Skyrider-saddle-plane-seats-launched-Aircraft-Interiors-Expo-Americas.html[/url] But apparently they don't meet safety regulations, probably something to do with hitting your head on the seat infront in the event of a crash

[QUOTE=Robbobin;37339077]A car seller has an obligation to provide cars with wheels because if he didn't there'd be no repeat sales, and word of his shitty service would spread through word of mouth. It would be a disastrous business model. It ought to be the same with legroom; if they don't provide enough, don't give them repeat business and deter people from using them. It's ridiculous that people always bitch and moan about businesses caring about nothing other than money, and then expecting them to listen to your bitching. Nobody's actually came to the thread with a solution. Should there be legal sanctions to legroom? Meaning there's a genuine threat of violence if planes aren't fitted with enough. But nobody seems to be taking the plunge and say this should be the case (because it's absurd). Its totally beyond me how people feel so entitled to be given so many things without the other party consenting.[/QUOTE] Okay, now lets say every car seller in existence sells cars without wheels, who do you go to now? Nobody, you [I]can't[/I] go to anyone now. You have to either buy your car without wheels, or you'll never own a car. Besides, there probably should be some sort of minimal space requirement. Being cramped up in a tiny space for for a long time can lead to blood clots.

I wonder if the bloke who does the seating has a Napoleon complex or something

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;37340197]Okay, now lets say every car seller in existence sells cars without wheels, who do you go to now? Nobody, you [I]can't[/I] go to anyone now. You have to either buy your car without wheels, or you'll never own a car. Besides, there probably should be some sort of minimal space requirement. Being cramped up in a tiny space for for a long time can lead to blood clots.[/QUOTE] You man up, accept the reality of the situation and buy a car and wheels separately. Honestly what is the alternative? Should we use threats of violence to force car salesmen to attach wheels?

[QUOTE=Robbobin;37340948]You man up, accept the reality of the situation and buy a car and wheels separately. Honestly what is the alternative? Should we use threats of violence to force car salesmen to attach wheels?[/QUOTE] Say fuck you to car sellers and buy a motorcycle.

Yes man up and deal with shitty service, that's definitely the attitude we need to keep companies in check. Though from your posts, it seems you would rather they be free to do whatever they want.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;37341185]Yes man up and deal with shitty service, that's definitely the attitude we need to keep companies in check. Though from your posts, it seems you would rather they be free to do whatever they want.[/QUOTE] Well yeah. I think everyone should be free to do whatever they want without threats of coercion. I've received lots of dumb/disagree ratings in this thread, and a lot of people saying how outraged they are by my voluntaryist/objectivist-sounding (I'm not an objectivist: I disagree on a couple of fundamental points that are mostly unrelated to this thread) assertions, but everyone refuses to come up with a solution themselves; at the moment it's just meaningless, empty bitching. I'm definitely not a supporter of corporations, but that's because they're sustained by the state who's function is to coerce. But there's absolutely no basis for thinking you're entitled to anything from anyone unless they told you they'd give it to you.

[QUOTE=Robbobin;37340948]You man up, accept the reality of the situation and buy a car and wheels separately. Honestly what is the alternative? Should we use threats of violence to force car salesmen to attach wheels?[/QUOTE] Holy christ, quit trolling.

[QUOTE=Ybbats;37341612]Holy christ, quit trolling.[/QUOTE] This is really annoying; instead of saying how outrageous everything I say is, actually challenge my claims and provide a solution yourself.

[QUOTE=Robbobin;37341644]This is really annoying; instead of saying how outrageous everything I say is, actually challenge my claims and provide a solution yourself.[/QUOTE] The solution is regulation. You can't just toss someone out into the world and tell them they can do anything they want without restriction, so why should a business be allowed?

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;37341871]The solution is regulation. You can't just toss someone out into the world and tell them they can do anything they want without restriction, so why should a business be allowed?[/QUOTE] Why can't we let people do what they want, as long as it's not coercive? Regulation is just another form of coercion.

I don't get how they can be so stupid. Squeezing a handful of extra chairs onto an airplane at the cost of customer satisfaction? Why don't they realize that when their customers start getting treated like human being and not just money, the customers will come back and enjoy that particular airline.

I honestly dont see the problem here. Cheap seats are cheaper then expensive seats for a reason. They both go to the same destination/ so thats not it. What could the difference be? Ah, yes- expensive seats come with luxuries such as more legroom... If we regulated legroom more then likely expensive seats would still have more legroom then cheaper seats (but the seats overall would be more expensive due to the regulation) Not defending airlines, or corporations in general. But its important to remember how difficult it is for the airline industry to stay afloat. Demand fluctuations, combined with fuel increases- its really killing the business overall. If your ticked now over legroom- just wait till they start adding a surcharge based on your weight.