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[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49446310]Yeah, God bless Americans, the only place where ESports can exist.[/QUOTE]What the fuck is this shit. We're talking about esports [B]in the United States of [U]America[/U][/B] so yes, American interests are completely fucking relevant to the discussion, it [U]is[/U] the discussion. We're not talking about South Korea, Japan, Europe, or even Canada, we're talking about esports as a phenomena in the United States.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49446310]In any case, if you do not consider poker a sport, is chess sport for you as well?[/QUOTE]Yes, I would consider chess a sport. A boring one, holy shit, but still a sport. Why does it even matter what the fuck I consider a sport at all? This was never relevant and it never will be relevant.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49446285]Wow, Flumbooze. Okay, here we go...
I didn't press the point, all I said was essentially "yeah, I've played these games before" to somebody who was treating me like I was born in 1955 and think video games are strictly for children. I guess my super duper cool adventures in Starcraft are suddenly relevant enough to bitch about rather than the actual points I made?
I never did. I'm not even sure why you think I was[/QUOTE]
Because you talk about these old games and how you owned at them as if these games hasn't changed at all. I just don't get why you keep talking about your past?
[QUOTE]Cool. Really, I don't give a shit, I really don't like esports.[/QUOTE]
That's fine.
[QUOTE]See, I think you're mistaking me for somebody who takes video games deadly serious, so let me spell it out for you plainly: I do not consider the ability to play video games is not a noteworthy achievement. I never will.[/QUOTE]
Who takes video games deadly serious? Who takes sports deadly serious? Besides, why does it have to be a noteworthy achievement? I don't think running x meters in y seconds is noteworthy. Yeah, congrats, you just ran really fast. (Random example, which I can apply to anything).
[QUOTE]So prize pools are a measure of respect? I should respect the lottery then, that routinely gets up to hundreds of millions of dollars, pretty big prize pool.[/QUOTE]
No but prize pools do show how popular a certain sport is. (Why is everything about respect and achievements for you?) I don't even know why you'd counter my argument with the lottery... How can you even compare those two?
[QUOTE]Um, again, "lots of people" is apparently less than the number of people who watch NASCAR which is basically restricted to rednecks, literally nobody else gives a shit about NASCAR and it's viewership is dwindling. I also specifically said that the viewership is growing, so I guess I've granted your wish without even trying.[/QUOTE]
Dude, Nascar almost exists 70 years now... Again, how is that a fair comparison? Also, it's races are literally broadcast in 150 countries... So some people do give a shit and you can't compare it to esports at all.
[QUOTE]Hahaha what, at least a solid third of the country plays video games and more than likely over half do if you go strictly by age groups. "Most Americans" what are you even talking about. Of all the interests out there video games has basically exploded in the last five years alone and if previous assertions were correct then esports would likewise have seen such an absurd increase in viewership given that the target audience has grown so large and so fast. This has not happened.
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Can you please show me your source? Because I find it hard to believe that most of these people are even interested in games as complicated as CS:GO and Dota 2.
[QUOTE]Again, is that 4.5 million in the US alone? I'm waiting on some source on that. Either way I don't find it particularly impressive. Maybe if that number increases sharply and hits ten million by 2017 I'll revise my opinion, but until then it's just a niche sport (like NASCAR, I said this several times) that, again, Americans largely don't give a single fuck about.[/QUOTE]
In fact, in 2013 71.5 million people watched eSports: [URL="https://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/esports-brief/"]source[/URL]
31.4 million viewers are from America. Is that impressive enough? That's from 2013 btw, I expect it to have grown by now. So I think your last paragraphs aren't really relevant anymore.
EDIT: Today's viewer numbers is a lot higher: 134 million viewers worldwide: [URL="http://www.engadget.com/2015/07/31/the-business-of-esports-in-numbers/"]source[/URL]
It's larger than you think.
[QUOTE=Flumbooze;49446379]Because you talk about these old games and how you owned at them as if these games hasn't changed at all. I just don't get why you keep talking about your past?[/QUOTE]It was brought up. I responded. The end? (probably not considering how often I have to repeat myself)
[QUOTE=Flumbooze;49446379]Who takes video games deadly serious? Who takes sports deadly serious? Besides, why does it have to be a noteworthy achievement? I don't think running x meters in y seconds is noteworthy. Yeah, congrats, you just ran really fast. (Random example, which I can apply to anything).[/QUOTE]Do I really need to explain the careful nuances of how I don't care that much about video games here? I mean I can't help but suspect I'm stepping on some toes here because there's some dreams of being a pro gamer in this thread and people are getting a little emotional about it. Sorry little buddy, but I just don't have those aspirations and if you call me out I will speak my mind.
[QUOTE=Flumbooze;49446379]No but prize pools do show how popular a certain sport is. (Why is everything about respect and achievements for you?) I don't even know why you'd counter my argument with the lottery... How can you even compare those two?[/QUOTE]How? They're equally as useful, if I want to find out how big a sport is I'll find out how big it is, I won't go for vague allusions when the actual hard statistics about size and viewership are already tracked. (respect for the prize pool isn't something I started by the way, I'm just responding to it)
[QUOTE=Flumbooze;49446379]Dude, Nascar almost exists 70 years now... Again, how is that a fair comparison? Also, it's races are literally broadcast in 150 countries... So some people do give a shit and you can't compare it to esports at all.[/QUOTE]They're both niche elements of a larger market.
[QUOTE=Flumbooze;49446379]Can you please show me your source? Because I find it hard to believe that most of these people are even interested in games as complicated as CS:GO and Dota 2.[/QUOTE]First of all lmao at those games being complicated, second of all here you go: [url]http://www.theesa.com/article/150-million-americans-play-video-games/[/url]
I've guesstimated that a third of the country plays actual video games featured in tournaments, (conservative lowballing) but yeah, half the country plays video games and I'd wager the actual surveyed amount is short of the real number.
[QUOTE=Flumbooze;49446379]In fact, in 2013 71.5 million people watched eSports: [URL="https://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/esports-brief/"]source[/URL]
31.4 million viewers are from America. Is that impressive enough? That's from 2013 btw, I expect it to have grown by now. So I think your last paragraphs aren't really relevant anymore.
EDIT: Today's viewer numbers is a lot higher: 134 million viewers worldwide: [URL="http://www.engadget.com/2015/07/31/the-business-of-esports-in-numbers/"]source[/URL][/QUOTE][I]Thank you[/I] for citing a source. Alright, that is far more significant than fucking a measly 4.5 million so you're right, a lot of my points no longer apply.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49446350]What the fuck is this shit. We're talking about esports [B]in the United States of [U]America[/U][/B] so yes, American interests are completely fucking relevant to the discussion, it [U]is[/U] the discussion. We're not talking about South Korea, Japan, Europe, or even Canada, we're talking about esports as a phenomena in the United States.
Yes, I would consider chess a sport. A boring one, holy shit, but still a sport. Why does it even matter what the fuck I consider a sport at all? This was never relevant and it never will be relevant.[/QUOTE]
I guess you are way too moody to understand any of this discussion.
Matter of fact is: Esports is a thing, a comparatively big thing; you can dislike that but it will not change the fact.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49446431]I guess you are way too moody to understand any of this discussion.[/QUOTE]lol no, I just don't tolerate blatant "I didn't read, w/e" shit.[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49446431]Matter of fact is: Esports is a thing, a comparatively big thing; you can dislike that but it will not change the fact.[/QUOTE]Mm. Never ever disputed that, I said it wasn't a big deal in the US and apparently it actually kind of is. Not huge, mind you, but maybe it's matured enough to be on primetime television.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;49446125]imo $40 for a one time purchase with absolutely no other costs (yet) is about right.[/QUOTE]
oh yeah it is by no means a bad price, just a really really weird move imo
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49446434]lol no, I just don't tolerate blatant "I didn't read, w/e" shit.Mm. Never ever disputed that, I said it wasn't a big deal in the US and apparently it actually kind of is. Not huge, mind you, but maybe it's matured enough to be on primetime television.[/QUOTE]
Not that I agree with the game choice, but ESPN showed heroes of the storm.
Honestly I feel like mobas and rts aren't a good fit for tv, while stuff like fps and fighting games are. Since they're easier to understand if you don't know the game, man shootmans man, man ded, man punchmans man, man ded.
[QUOTE=Crimor;49446956]Not that I agree with the game choice, but ESPN showed heroes of the storm.[/QUOTE]I wonder if this means they're softening on their position of "esports is a [I]competition[/I] not sports" and we'll see international matches on ESPN now.
[QUOTE=Crimor;49446956]Honestly I feel like mobas and rts aren't a good fit for tv, while stuff like fps and fighting games are. Since they're easier to understand if you don't know the game, man shootmans man, man ded, man punchmans man, man ded.[/QUOTE]Well like I said earlier, they're hard to follow unless you're spectating yourself and even then, it's kind of hard to follow exactly what's going on. A spectator just doesn't have the information the player's gathered and has built a mental picture on what they need to do, one that is [U]constantly[/U] changing in an RTS environment where it's all rapid-fire decision making.
360 no hope
[QUOTE=Crimor;49446956]Not that I agree with the game choice, but ESPN showed heroes of the storm.
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Heroes of the Storm is fun to watch because shit happens faster. You don't have the obligatory 15-20 lul that you get from Dota 2 or LoL. Not to say those games aren't exciting to watch and they are certainly more nuanced but I appreciate the hero brawler nature of HotS.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49446426]Do I really need to explain the careful nuances of how I don't care that much about video games here? I mean I can't help but suspect I'm stepping on some toes here because there's some dreams of being a pro gamer in this thread and people are getting a little emotional about it. Sorry little buddy, but I just don't have those aspirations and if you call me out I will speak my mind.[/QUOTE]
Okay so if your point is that you don't care about video games, why do you feel the need to make so many inflammatory, condescending remarks about how pro-level players are lazy dorks that are just playing video games for a living so they don't have to get a [i]real[/i] job, and how their competition is nothing more than a glorified button-mashing contest.
I've also never at any point claimed that you've never played video games, but you don't seem to understand that "yeah I played a bunch of starcraft like 10 years ago so I was pretty much playing on the same level as the pros" is a completely ridiculous thing to say. That would be like me saying "yeah I played little league and every other week I go out with some friends and play a casual game of baseball at the park, so I basically know what it's like to play professionally."
You could have just made a post saying "I don't care about video games" and we all could have easily ignored it.
[QUOTE=Geikkamir;49447345]Okay so if your point is that you don't care about video games, why do you feel the need to make so many inflammatory, condescending remarks about how pro-level players are lazy dorks that are just playing video games for a living so they don't have to get a [i]real[/i] job, and how their competition is nothing more than a glorified button-mashing contest.[/QUOTE]Great work on missing that point.
[QUOTE=Geikkamir;49447345]I've also never at any point claimed that you've never played video games,[/QUOTE]Never said you did but,[QUOTE=Geikkamir;49447345]"yeah I played a bunch of starcraft like 10 years ago so I was pretty much playing on the same level as the pros" is a completely ridiculous thing to say.[/QUOTE][I]I literally never said this, all I said was I played the game.[/I] Period. That's all I said, here, let me quote myself:
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49442201]I was a huge, huge, huge SC player back in the day and literally all the game boiled down to was hotkeys, being faster than your opponent, and some [U]mild[/U] strategy.[/QUOTE]Oh, is [I]this[/I] where you got confused? I used "huge" and all the bells and whistles in your head went "weewoo pro gamer alert!" Right, okay, let's set you straight: when somebody says they were a "huge, huge, huge" anything it doesn't automatically mean "I was literally the best." I'm a huge, huge, huge Dio fan, does that mean I am a [I][U]pro[/U] fan?[/I] No, it just means I air guitar and loudly sing Rainbow in the Dark whenever it comes on without shame.
Jesus Christ. All that over a ridiculous misunderstanding.
[editline]3rd January 2016[/editline]
I'm sorry for making you upset, I really didn't know this meant that much to you.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49447410]Great work on missing that point.
Never said you did but,[I]I literally never said this, all I said was I played the game.[/I] Period. That's all I said, here, let me quote myself:
Oh, is [I]this[/I] where you got confused? I used "huge" and all the bells and whistles in your head went "weewoo pro gamer alert!" Right, okay, let's set you straight: when somebody says they were a "huge, huge, huge" anything it doesn't automatically mean "I was literally the best." I'm a huge, huge, huge Dio fan, does that mean I am a [I][U]pro[/U] fan?[/I] No, it just means I air guitar and loudly sing Rainbow in the Dark whenever it comes on without shame.
Jesus Christ. All that over a ridiculous misunderstanding.[/QUOTE]
No, I'm fully aware that you're not claiming to be a professional-level player. The point is that you're trying to use your prior experience with SC as a basis to dismiss pro-level play as just "whoever can mash their hotkeys the fastest."
You're basically saying that because you played SC at some low-to-mid tier of play and at that tier of play what matters most is who can do their inputs the fastest, pro-level play is exactly the same. It's not. You're not interacting with the game in the same way or at the same level that a professional player is, just like someone that just casually plays baseball isn't interacting with the sport at the same level as a professional baseball player, and what's most important to succeeding in a backyard game with mildly-experienced and passably capable players isn't what's most important to succeeding in a professional game.
That might actually be a bad example because baseball is a mostly physical contest but hopefully you get the point.
Thanks for responding in the most insultingly condescending manner you possibly could, though, that's really great.
[QUOTE]I'm sorry for making you upset, I really didn't know this meant that much to you.[/QUOTE]
It upsets me because there are people who work tirelessly for tens of thousands of hours to be good enough to play professionally and stay at that level, and you are essentially dismissing them as just a bunch of dudes that play video games all day instead of "working for a living" so they can make easy bank off of a shallow, barely difficult competition.
It's not because I'm a pro-wannabe (I'm not, I have absolutely no interest in playing a game constantly for thousands of hours until I hate it just so that I can make less than minimum wage for years, if I'm lucky). It's because it's aggravating to see people continue to hand wave the accomplishments of pro-players because "all they do is play video games", which, among other things, is something you've repeatedly done throughout this thread.
[QUOTE=Geikkamir;49447737]The point is that you're trying to use your prior experience with SC as a basis to dismiss pro-level play as just "whoever can mash their hotkeys the fastest." [/QUOTE]I was quite literally saying "I am aware of this game's functions." I specifically said that.
[QUOTE=Geikkamir;49447737]Thanks for responding in the most insultingly condescending manner you possibly could, though, that's really great.[/QUOTE]You're welcome? Thanks for continually missing my point.
[QUOTE=Geikkamir;49447737]It's because it's aggravating to see people continue to hand wave the accomplishments of pro-players because "all they do is play video games", which, among other things, is something you've repeatedly done throughout this thread.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I don't think it's much of an accomplishment, but I'm sure some of the things I've done in my life that I'm proud of probably aren't seen as much of an accomplishment either. I'm not bothered by this, I'm enough of an adult to go "oh, okay, whatever" and wave it off as inconsequential because that is precisely what it is. Who cares?
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49446979]Well like I said earlier, they're hard to follow unless you're spectating yourself and even then, it's kind of hard to follow exactly what's going on. A spectator just doesn't have the information the player's gathered and has built a mental picture on what they need to do, one that is [U]constantly[/U] changing in an RTS environment where it's all rapid-fire decision making.[/QUOTE]
this is... not true at all though
you can most definitely understand what's going on if even with a basic-mild understanding of the game
and whatever it is that you can't understand - well, that's what replays and commentators are there for
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49448416]this is... not true at all though
you can most definitely understand what's going on if even with a basic-mild understanding of the game
and whatever it is that you can't understand - well, that's what replays and commentators are there for[/QUOTE]No no, I mean in the moment. A lot of an RTS is about resources and knowing what you have as you're making these decisions, spectators (usually) can't see this sort of information.
I guess I just find it uncomfortable to not be in that same decision making cycle as a player, seeing everything well after it's all said and done makes me antsy and makes me want to play.
I'm not a very good spectator.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49448437]No no, I mean in the moment. A lot of an RTS is about resources and knowing what you have as you're making these decisions, spectators (usually) can't see this sort of information.
I guess I just find it uncomfortable to not be in that same decision making cycle as a player, seeing everything well after it's all said and done makes me antsy and makes me want to play.
I'm not a very good spectator.[/QUOTE]
there is even more info on the screen for spectators than there is for players
[editline]3rd January 2016[/editline]
doesn't sound like you've ever even watched one of these things
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49448447]there is even more info on the screen for spectators than there is for players
[editline]3rd January 2016[/editline]
doesn't sound like you've ever even watched one of these things[/QUOTE]I already said I haven't. At least not anything this decade so I'm likely well out of date.
Literally the only esports match I ever remotely enjoyed watching was fighting games anyway. I can't even watch a Let's Play of SCII (I have yet to play) I have to stop and go install the first Starcraft and then not play it after I satisfy that craving.
[editline]3rd January 2016[/editline]
Come to think of it I don't even remember spectating in the first Starcraft. I mean I know I did but I don't ever remember there being resource values on the screen for spectators.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49448463]I already said I haven't. At least not anything this decade so I'm likely well out of date.
Literally the only esports match I ever remotely enjoyed watching was fighting games anyway. I can't even watch a Let's Play of SCII (I have yet to play) I have to stop and go install the first Starcraft and then not play it after I satisfy that craving.[/QUOTE]
So you're basing your opinion that mobas are harder to follow as a spectator on literally nothing
good to know
I'll just edit this rather than make a new post replying to the post below:
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49448958]Do you think the rest of the world that plays soccer gives a shit about Americans' apathy? Also, can you back that up with [I]anything[/I] outside of anecdotal evidence? It's an asinine statement to make.[/QUOTE]I like how I go "oh hey I was wrong, neat" and it's not enough for you. Like I already explained why A: this is a thread about esports in America so focusing on actual Americans is important and B: the moment somebody goes "yeah actually it is bigger than you thought" I conceded the points I was making based off that very wrong position.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49448958]To be honest, this alongside your paranoia of Windows[/QUOTE]I think it's okay for me to disregard all the inane rambling tied to this shit.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49448958]You're the cool kid - you've got it all figured out. You're not wrong. You don't need facts - just anecdotes and your ~feelings~![/QUOTE]I hope you're not having a nervous breakdown.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49448958]You're really good at being passive aggressive and condescending to everyone around you and really bad at accepting that you have no idea what you're talking about once again. Seriously.[/QUOTE]Here I am admitting I'm wrong:[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49446426]Alright, that is far more significant than fucking a measly 4.5 million so you're right, a lot of my points no longer apply.[/QUOTE]See that? He cited his source, I thanked him for it, and then I admitted that yeah I was way the hell off-base because 4.5 million people is the figure that was given to me and Flumboozle corrected it, proving it was a much larger figure.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49448958]You go full-force with your opinions and come off so insufferable and then call it quits when everyone's pitted against you for being objectively wrong and subjectively horrible to talk to.[/QUOTE]No I just don't want to keep going tit-for-tat with somebody over the most inane points, literally my [B]admittedly limited experience with esports[/B] and my spotty memory regarding Starcraft. Oh yes, my thoughts about spectating sure are important to this discussion despite the fact that I admitted I don't watch esports. I said this several times. Then he comes with a stupid snipe, "well i guess you dont know what your talking about." Yeah, I'm not continuing such [U]stupid[/U] [U]shit[/U] anymore.
Maybe I'm not expressing myself adequately and yeah maybe I'm a little abrasive, but aside from that it seems like every time the discussion dies down somebody like you comes along and starts [I]quoting from another thread to stir shit.[/I] It's not even shit that makes any sense because I'm not "paranoid about Microsoft" or whatever silly shit you have in your head. I snipped my tl;dr post to indicate I was no interested in this dumb argument anymore and it's why this post is edited versus bumping the thread and making a new one. It's completely ridiculous, the thread's effectively been killed because of dumb arguing about how good I am at Starcraft (let me clear up any confusion: I am not a ~pro starcraft player~ and I never claimed to be, what the fuck is so hard to understand here) or if I consider poker, of all things, to be a sport. Oh yeah, real [I]great[/I] discussion there.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49446099]Americans largely do not give a shit about esports[/QUOTE]
Do you think the rest of the world that plays soccer gives a shit about Americans' apathy? Also, can you back that up with [I]anything[/I] outside of anecdotal evidence? It's an asinine statement to make.
[editline]3rd January 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49446426][I]Thank you[/I] for citing a source. Alright, that is far more significant than fucking a measly 4.5 million so you're right, a lot of my points no longer apply.[/QUOTE]
They never did. To be honest, this alongside your paranoia of Windows without [I]you[/I] citing any real sources just makes you out to sound like you want to validate your own opinions without actually taking on the burden of proof. You have hunches and think your opinion is a lot more popular and normal than it actually is.
I hate to bring up shit from other threads to make my point but reread [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1497821&p=49354606&viewfull=1#post49354606]your posts on in the Windows thread[/url]. If you aren't just a dedicated troll I'm going to assume that you've got some serious issues with putting your sensitive and paranoid feelings before rationality and fact and it's bleeding into this thread. Just as you were plugging your ears screaming about how Windows is part of some mass conspiracy with the chance of people impossibly tampering updates, you're plugging your ears and going, "COMPETITIVE GAMING ISN'T FUCKING COOL" and, when people keep saying you're wrong in a multitude of ways, you feel so much dissonance that you straight up call it quits while calling the entire argument "stupid shit" and somehow finding it unironic to try and call out others (directly or not) for being "mad" or "obsessed". You're the cool kid - you've got it all figured out. You're not wrong. You don't need facts - just anecdotes and your ~feelings~!
[editline]3rd January 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49448624]-actually fuck it, this stupid shit has gone on long enough-[/QUOTE]
You're really good at being passive aggressive and condescending to everyone around you and really bad at accepting that you have no idea what you're talking about once again. Seriously.
I don't have a problem with people being wrong and I don't have a problem with being wrong, because I like understanding how others think within the context of a discussion or even a friendly argument. You totally don't do that though. You go full-force with your opinions and come off so insufferable and then call it quits when everyone's pitted against you for being objectively wrong and subjectively horrible to talk to. It doesn't have to be - handle differences of opinions better dude, and push yourself to understand the reality of the situation instead of trying to confirm your predetermined conclusion.
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No it isn't and if you think I'm speaking for anyone else who's played Starcraft then I guess reading comprehension is hard for you. I don't remember my name I was using those days (it was either toadie81, raimana, or possibly marlboroman, if any of those sound familiar) but I played [U]constantly[/U] and I got really fucking good at it. I don't ever remember matches going for very long unless they were artificially lengthened for base building time, but usually once that was done it was over pretty quick. I won most of the matches I played, but for the sake of your argument let's say I've been completely in the dark all these years and I haven't figured out the Shaolin secrets of Starcraft. Do you have anything else to add other than, "u dont no how to play starcraft scrub" or is that it?
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im just pointing it out because its just more of you talking out of your ass. brood war games were even longer than sc2 games now. its about knowing timings, knowing WHEN to move, and knowing what kind of comps to expect from scouting and the meta. you talk like everyone just all ins from the jump. you dont just fucking rush people.
i was also a c rank on iccup btw
[QUOTE=Raidyr;49447037]Heroes of the Storm is fun to watch because shit happens faster. You don't have the obligatory 15-20 lul that you get from Dota 2 or LoL. Not to say those games aren't exciting to watch and they are certainly more nuanced but I appreciate the hero brawler nature of HotS.[/QUOTE]
I agree that it's better than dota/lol in that regard, but still feel like fps/fighting games would be better to break into mainstream tv.
I can't see esports getting as big as real sports. I still think of videogames as a small part of culture, and competitive gaming even moreso. Frat dudes play gta5, but only a small percentage of people watch esports
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49450519]I can't see esports getting as big as real sports. I still think of videogames as a small part of culture, and competitive gaming even moreso. Frat dudes play gta5, but only a small percentage of people watch esports[/QUOTE]
This is slightly old but I somehow missed this post!
I honestly don't see it getting as big as sports, but to be honest stuff like football is the societal cream of the crop. In order for games to become that popular, you would have to do a lot to fix the stigmas of gaming. You'd have to start with the gamer stereotype, focus on the gender problems of gaming (everyone loves those), stop making out games to be infantalism or low-life escapism, start making out games to be expressions of art and examples of competition, etc. Our society isn't prepared for it right now, and I don't see it accelerating towards a better condition any time soon. It bothers me specifically within the context of not being taken seriously as art, but by proxy I think it's bothersome that it can't be cool enough to be a sport.
Meanwhile, I own a non-insubstantial sum of activision stock. Well, fuck.
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