12 Recent stories of self defense with firearms - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Sgt.Sgt;39121079]Yes they are, read the news. It happens all the time. I think you are confusing home invasions with burglaries.[/QUOTE] Home invasion implies that it's somebody entering the home by force with people present inside, burglary is specifically entering with the intent to steal when NOBODY is present.

[QUOTE=Sgt.Sgt;39121079]Yes they are, read the news. It happens all the time. I think you are confusing home invasions with burglaries.[/QUOTE] They don't break into houses to intentionally kill people.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39121110]They don't break into houses to intentionally kill people.[/QUOTE] If they break in they better be prepared to be confronted with a rifle.

[QUOTE=laserguided;39121038]And thats your personal opinion. If it was me, I'd shoot them if I'm positive they intend harm. Why? I don't want nobody coming back.[/QUOTE] I don't really have a stance on this gun control issue, but seriously dude? Several guys who may have guns against just you, alone, with a rifle, and you're telling me that you'd fearlessly face them down just to keep some of your shit? How do you intend to pull that off? Would it even really be worth the risk of getting shot and killed, just on the principle of some guys breaking into your house? You sound borderline suicidal if you'd really do all that without a moments hesitation. I mean, singlehandedly wounding or even killing a few people would normally be something you'd express some compunctions towards, but apparently it's all in a day's work for you.

[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39121021]Which was a premeditated home invasion gone wrong, in which the victims tried to fight and alert police and got killed because of it. That's not exactly a 'random' killing, now is it?[/QUOTE] Hahahaha WHAT! Oh my god! You have to be the absolute dumbest person I have come across on this forum. It was still a home invasion that let to the murder of innocent people. You have a right to fight back to protect your own life. Stop supporting the criminals. You act like they had the right to do that stuff.

[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39121021]Which was a premeditated home invasion gone wrong, in which the victims tried to fight and alert police and got killed because of it. That's not exactly a 'random' killing, now is it?[/QUOTE] All that matters is that the people who lived in the house ended up dead, and death is not something I want, no matter the circumstances.

[QUOTE=laserguided;39121123]If they break in they better be prepared to be confronted with a rifle.[/QUOTE] How does this dismiss my point? Why a rifle? Why not a handgun or a knife or a blowjob? Some place have legislation saying your first priority is to stay away from the intruder, and shooting is almost always the very last thing you ever do, and only when your life is in danger.

[QUOTE=Cone;39121130]I don't really have a stance on this gun control issue, but seriously dude? Several guys who may have guns against just you, alone, with a rifle, and you're telling me that you'd fearlessly face them down just to keep some of your shit? How do you intend to pull that off? Would it even really be worth the risk of getting shot and killed, just on the principle of some guys breaking into your house? You sound borderline suicidal if you'd really do all that without a moments hesitation. I mean, singlehandedly wounding or even killing a few people would normally be something you'd express some compunctions towards, but apparently it's all in a day's work for you.[/QUOTE] Its not suicidal if they're stupid and you have the advantage of knowing where everything is, besides criminals typically don't want murder charges.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39121110]They don't break into houses to intentionally kill people.[/QUOTE] Home invasion is the act of illegally entering a private and occupied dwelling with [B]violent intent[/B] for the purpose of committing a crime against the occupants such as [B]robbery, assault, rape, [U]murder[/U], or kidnapping[/B]. Sorry we don't have this grand multi ethnic police force to stop this like your great nation. We require our own guns to defend ourselves.

[QUOTE=Sgt.Sgt;39121151]Hahahaha WHAT! Oh my god! You have to be the absolute dumbest person I have come across on this forum. It was still a home invasion that let to the murder of innocent people. You have a right to fight back to protect your own life. Stop supporting the criminals. You act like they had the right to do that stuff.[/QUOTE] Nobody went into that to kill anyone, but they did the absolute wrong thing in that situation, when they were in a position of weakness, and got killed because of it.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39121156]How does this dismiss my point? Why a rifle? Why not a handgun or a knife or a blowjob? Some place have legislation saying your first priority is to stay away from the intruder, and shooting is almost always the very last thing you ever do, and only when your life is in danger.[/QUOTE] Because I don't own a pistol.

[QUOTE=laserguided;39121070]I doubt your logic, because it doesn't seem to be based on anything.[/QUOTE] Okay, consider the situation. You were just having a nice sleep a couple minutes ago, now there's a load of hardcore pipe-hitting motherfuckers with guns and knives right outside your bedroom door, stealing your shit. Do you really think that anybody's first dazed, confused reaction is to bust out a gun and go John Woo on their asses?

[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39121173]Nobody went into that to kill anyone, but they did the absolute wrong thing in that situation, when they were in a position of weakness, and got killed because of it.[/QUOTE] It's not their fault they died. It is that mans fault for entering that home to begin with.

[QUOTE=Cone;39121181]Okay, consider the situation. You were just having a nice sleep a couple minutes ago, now there's a load of hardcore pipe-hitting motherfuckers with guns and knives right outside your bedroom door, stealing your shit. Do you really think that anybody's first dazed, confused reaction is to bust out a gun and go John Woo on their asses?[/QUOTE] Well I have reason to assume 7.62x39mm will go through a wall, and my home is relatively small so I'd hear it before it happened. I also have alarms on all my entrances.

[QUOTE=Sgt.Sgt;39121171]Home invasion is the act of illegally entering a private and occupied dwelling with [B]violent intent[/B] for the purpose of committing a crime against the occupants such as [B]robbery, assault, rape, [U]murder[/U], or kidnapping[/B]. Sorry we don't have this grand multi ethnic police force to stop this like your great nation. We require our own guns to defend ourselves.[/QUOTE] Maybe you should move if you feel your tax money is being used to protect you properly (you do pay taxes, right?), or if you feel it's too unsafe and that YOU might end up murdered in a home invasion.

[QUOTE=Sgt.Sgt;39121171]Home invasion is the act of illegally entering a private and occupied dwelling with [B]violent intent[/B] for the purpose of committing a crime against the occupants such as [B]robbery, assault, rape, [U]murder[/U], or kidnapping[/B].[/QUOTE] Except that's not the point. People break into houses all the time to steal things. When they do this, they do not actually plan to systematically murder everybody inside and you need a gun to defend yourself. Rather, they only kill people, when they get in the way of robbing the house. Very few people just break into houses to randomly murder the people inside and leave the possessions untouched.

[QUOTE=Sgt.Sgt;39121199]It's not their fault they died. It is that mans fault for entering that home to begin with.[/QUOTE] It's as much their fault as is the perpetrators. They wouldn't have died if they hadn't acted rash.

People die and people cry, Rats move and divas groove, Can you tell me why?

[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39120630]lol "i'm more important than them, i HAVE THE RIGHT to kill them!!!"[/QUOTE] no you misunderstand. They attack me directly (or another human) and as such I have the right to intervene to protect my right of life, ownership and a multitude of others - which is more important - than their right to action. Essentially by their actions they give me the right to act myself. [QUOTE=Sobotnik;39121218]Except that's not the point. People break into houses all the time to steal things. When they do this, they do not actually plan to systematically murder everybody inside and you need a gun to defend yourself. Rather, they only kill people, when they get in the way of robbing the house. Very few people just break into houses to randomly murder the people inside and leave the possessions untouched.[/QUOTE] legally protected interests. Essentially it doesn't have to be mere danger to yourself which will warrant you to use a firearm. You see someone robbing your house and you then have the right to confront them with a firearm. If they do not cease what they are doing, or even attack you, you have the right to use said firearm. You generally don't have the right to do it when they are already escaping though (unless castle doctrine applies as it does in some state) Think of it like this. YOu are walking down a street. situation a) You are held up by a robber who demands something from you. At this moment you have the right to take out a gun and tell him to stand down. If he continues to press against you can fire. situation b) after you have shown your gun he stands down or runs away you do not have the right to shoot situation c) he is already grabbing you or something you own already at this moment you have the right to shoot without warning situation d) he grabbed the thing and is now running away at this moment you do not have the right to shoot in most cases (you can threaten though.)

[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39121207]Maybe you should move if you feel your tax money is being used to protect you properly (you do pay taxes, right?), or if you feel it's too unsafe and that YOU might end up murdered in a home invasion.[/QUOTE] Police cannot be everywhere.

[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39121207]Maybe you should move if you feel your tax money is being used to protect you properly (you do pay taxes, right?), or if you feel it's too unsafe and that YOU might end up murdered in a home invasion.[/QUOTE] I take the risks for the rights that I have here. I don't feel like I could be killed at any moment but I could very well be. There was a man where I live that had his head crushed in by a baseball bat over one sentence. Shit happens. I still live here. It was a one off thing. Violent crime is generally unpredictable and random. I would rather be prepared for the eventuality that be another murder statistic.

[QUOTE=laserguided;39121243]Police cannot be everywhere.[/QUOTE] That doesn't mean you get to act as judge, jury, and executioner when someone robs you.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39121218]Except that's not the point. People break into houses all the time to steal things. When they do this, they do not actually plan to systematically murder everybody inside and you need a gun to defend yourself. Rather, they only kill people, when they get in the way of robbing the house. Very few people just break into houses to randomly murder the people inside and leave the possessions untouched.[/QUOTE] If anybody breaks in to steal my property they can expect to have a rifle aimed at them. [editline]6th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=gay_idiot;39121255]That doesn't mean you get to act as judge, jury, and executioner when someone robs you.[/QUOTE] Actually by law it does.

[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39121173]Nobody went into that to kill anyone, but they did the absolute wrong thing in that situation, when they were in a position of weakness, and got killed because of it.[/QUOTE] As I stated (and you ignored) earlier, When someone breaks into your home, intent is irreverent, all that matters is their capability. Theres absolutely no way to tell if a person breaking into your home is there to steal your socks, or kill you. It's better to act off the worst case scenario than the best one in that sort of situation.

[QUOTE=laserguided;39121257] Actually by law it does.[/QUOTE] It isn't defined in federal law and not all states have stand-your-ground or castle doctrine laws.

[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39121219]It's as much their fault as is the perpetrators. They wouldn't have died if they hadn't acted rash.[/QUOTE] It's not their fault at all. That would be like saying all those kids at sandy hook who died deserved it because they did not act appropriately in that situation.

[QUOTE=Sgt.Sgt;39121284]It's not their fault at all. That would be like saying all those kids at sandy hook who died deserved it because they did not act appropriately in that situation.[/QUOTE] But the victims of that home invasion directly caused the perpetrators to act out by alerting police and trying to resist. Sandy hook was an unprovoked school shooting that nobody could've predicted or prepared for.

[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39121279]It isn't defined in federal law and not all states have stand-your-ground or castle doctrine laws.[/QUOTE] The majority follow the castle doctrine.

[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39121279]It isn't defined in federal law and not all states have stand-your-ground or castle doctrine laws.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.parl.gc.ca/About/Parliament/LegislativeSummaries/bills_ls.asp?ls=c26&Parl=41&Ses=1&source=library_prb[/url] I'm Canadian.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39121276]As I stated (and you ignored) earlier, When someone breaks into your home, intent is irreverent, all that matters is their capability. Theres absolutely no way to tell if a person breaking into your home is there to steal your socks, or kill you. It's better to act off the worst case scenario than the best one in that sort of situation.[/QUOTE] It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 any day.