[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39122224]Would you call the police when some dudes have held you hostage for all of your belongings, and are prepared to kill you if you resist?[/QUOTE]
if I could prove, for a FACT, that ALL they wanted to do was take my shit, then I'd probably just let it happen.
But you can't prove that, you can NEVER prove that, especially when its happening. Unknown people have used brute force to break into your home, take you captive, and you are now at their absolute mercy. Tell me straight that you just want me to let them do whatever, even if [I]without provocation[/I] they get violent and decide to rape my wife or daughter.
Should I let them do it? Yes, or no.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;39122294]if I could prove, for a FACT, that ALL they wanted to do was take my shit, then I'd probably just let it happen.
But you can't prove that, you can NEVER prove that, especially when its happening. Unknown people have used brute force to break into your home, take you captive, and you are now at their absolute mercy. Tell me straight that you just want me to let them do whatever, even if [I]without provocation[/I] they get violent and decide to rape my wife or daughter.
Should I let them do it? Yes, or no.[/QUOTE]
But they hadn't alerted police until hours into the incident, and it was before any sexual assault.
[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39122310]But they hadn't alerted police until hours into the incident, and it was before any sexual assault.[/QUOTE]
You're dodging the question.
I'm not talking about that.
Answer my question.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;39122315]You're dodging the question.
I'm not talking about that.
Answer my question.[/QUOTE]
If they start getting violent, you should defend yourself. I do not think it should be anyones first reaction, though.
[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39122332]If they start getting violent, you should defend yourself. I do not think it should be anyones first reaction, though.[/QUOTE]
None of that is yes or no.
Answer. The. Question.
Yes, or no.
[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39122332]If they start getting violent, you should defend yourself. I do not think it should be anyones first reaction, though.[/QUOTE]
What should not be anybodies first reaction?
gay_idiot I pretty much guarantee that you're the kind of person who would have blamed them for not calling the police when they had the opportunity to if the invaders decided to kill them anyways.
Considering their reaction to the police being called was to rape them and burn them alive in their home I can safely say they had the capacity for murder.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;39122368]Usually, if you don't hear the sound of a weapon being readied, your fucking wrong in every possible way. Usually, you should probably.. RUN if you hear a weapon being readied. The only weapon you couldn't hear, would probably be a bolt action rifle, not very effective for defense since their fucking long as hell.[/QUOTE]
Obrez could come in handy :v:
[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39122310]But they hadn't alerted police until hours into the incident, and it was before any sexual assault.[/QUOTE]
so because they alerted the police, it's their fault for getting raped and burned alive?
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39122413]so because they alerted the police, it's their fault for getting raped and burned alive?[/QUOTE]
I didn't say that, why are you putting words in my mouth?
[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39122425]I didn't say that, why are you putting words in my mouth?[/QUOTE]
I'm trying to see where you're coming from and understand the point you're trying to make. "But they hadn't alerted police until hours into the incident, and it was before any sexual assault." Do you think they were assaulted further because they resisted?
[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39122425]I didn't say that, why are you putting words in my mouth?[/QUOTE]
A, ANSWER MY QUESTION
B, thats exactly what you said.
[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39122185]Don't put words into my mouth.[B] They got killed because they provoked the perpetrators. [/B]I'm not blaming them for being in an impossible situation. Everyone's actions influences their future and both sides made their beds and laid in them that day.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;39122448]A, ANSWER MY QUESTION
B, thats exactly what you said.[/QUOTE]
It wasn't their fault they got killed, it was their actions that got them killed. They were in a situation they could never imagine being in, and acted as they thought they should. It didn't work out for them, but thankfully the perpetrators are in jail.
[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39122464]It wasn't their fault they got killed, it was their actions that got them killed. They were in a situation they could never imagine being in, and acted as they thought they should. It didn't work out for them, but thankfully the perpetrators are in jail.[/QUOTE]
Thankfully they're in jail, it only resulted in [I]3 deaths and 2 rapes.[/I]
ANSWER MY QUESTION
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;39122478]Thankfully they're in jail, it only resulted in [I]3 deaths and 2 rapes.[/I]
ANSWER MY QUESTION[/QUOTE]
I already answered your loaded question, I am not going to reply further to your trolling.
[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39122464]It wasn't their fault they got killed, it was their actions that got them killed. They were in a situation they could never imagine being in, and acted as they thought they should. It didn't work out for them, but thankfully the perpetrators are in jail.[/QUOTE]
Basically your blaming the victims?
[editline]6th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39122485]I already answered your loaded question[B], I am not going to reply further to your trolling.[/B][/QUOTE]
You're dumber than a rock.
By the way the robbers were not even aware that the police were called gay_idiot.
[quote]The bank surveillance cameras captured the transaction which shows Hawke-Petit in the morning of July 23 as she informed the teller of her situation. The teller then called 911 and reported the details to police. Hawke-Petit left the bank, was picked up by Hayes, who had escorted her there, and drove away.[/quote]
Also apparently the raping started before they even got back from the bank.
[url]http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/crime/steven-hayes-trial-day-five[/url]
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;39122508]By the way the robbers were not even aware that the police were called gay_idiot.
Also apparently the raping started before they even got back from the bank.
[url]http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/crime/steven-hayes-trial-day-five[/url][/QUOTE]
Nothing there states that they weren't aware of the police being informed, they could have easily been tipped off by the roadblocks and heightened police presence after leaving the bank.
[editline]6th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;39122502]Or the home owner could have shot them, killed them, and there wouldn't have been 2 rapes, and there would be "x" number of dead people who might as well be dead, as they would be serving life sentences assuming they survived.[/QUOTE]
They were scoped out and targeted, there wasn't a chance for them to react with force even if they had a gun.
[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39122485]I already answered your loaded question, I am not going to reply further to your trolling.[/QUOTE]
I'M trolling? And no, you never answered me. I said yes or no.
You're saying that instead of using a firearm to defend my home and my family from people with unknown intentions, I should alert police... but ONLY BEFORE they actually get in and capture us.
OH OH OH but I can defend myself if they get violent.
[I]they used violence to get into my house.[/I]
BUT I CAN'T SHOOT THEM, because I'm infringing on their rights. But they can't possibly be infringing on [I]my[/i] rights when they [B]BROKE INTO MY FUCKING HOUSE.[/B]
[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39122525]Nothing there states that they weren't aware of the police being informed, they could have easily been tipped off by the roadblocks and heightened police presence after leaving the bank.[/QUOTE]Woah woah woah. You're the one who was accusing THEM of being at fault for calling the police. You better have some proof to back that up.
[QUOTE=Gordy H.;39116097]That's incorrect, brah.
[url]http://www.ktvn.com/Global/story.asp?S=8378732[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_High_School_shooting[/url]
[url]http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/conceal-and-carry-stabbing-salt-lake-city-smiths/NDNrL1gxeE2rsRhrWCM9dQ.cspx[/url]
[url]http://articles.cnn.com/1998-04-25/us/9804_25_school.shooting.pm_1_count-of-criminal-homicide-weapon-and-surrender-west-paducah?_s=PM:US[/url]
[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=UEVWCHCuckMC&pg=PA6&lpg=PA6#v=onepage&q&f=false[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_School_of_Law_shooting[/url] (to be fair, the students who did this one were off-duty cops)
There was a pretty good blog with about a dozen or so more linked but unfortunately I couldn't find it.[/QUOTE]
That Pearl High School shooter guy sounds way too much like how i feel.
Better kill myself before i hurt somebody.
So gay_idiot goes ahead and blames the mother for her and her children being raped and murdered because she called the police on the idea that the invaders were aware of the police being called, and when I point out that that was incorrect instead of apologizing or something he decides to try to come up with more ways to blame her and then leave the thread.
What a fantastic person.
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;39122915]So gay_idiot goes ahead and blames the mother for her and her children being raped and murdered because she called the police on the idea that the invaders were aware of the police being called, and when I point out that that was incorrect instead of apologizing or something he decides to try to come up with more ways to blame her and then leave the thread.
What a fantastic person.[/QUOTE]
I tried to explain my stance and was only met with insults and 'hurr u victim blame!!!!!!!!'. Of course I'm going to leave the thread when nobody bothers to make a decent discussion.
[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39122927]I tried to explain my stance and was only met with insults and 'hurr u victim blame!!!!!!!!'. Of course I'm going to leave the thread when nobody bothers to make a decent discussion.[/QUOTE]
You're more afraid of being wrong about something than being a decent person and not blaming victims of murder.
Of course people are going to insult you.
[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39122927]I tried to explain my stance and was only met with insults and 'hurr u victim blame!!!!!!!!'. Of course I'm going to leave the thread when nobody bothers to make a decent discussion.[/QUOTE]
You never answered my question
Also I've seen you in other threads and you have some absurd victim blaming complex that I just absolutely hate.
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;39122951]You're more afraid of being wrong about something than being a decent person and not blaming victims of murder.
Of course people are going to insult you.[/QUOTE]
Everything is not as black and white as you perceive, and I am not going to change my opinion because of your misguided notion that I am a horrible person or something. Reddit is more suited for you, the kind of person(s) who can't stand that others might have different thoughts and opinions seem to congregate there.
[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39122973]Everything is not as black and white as you perceive, and I am not going to change my opinion because of your misguided notion that I am a horrible person or something. Reddit is more suited for you, the kind of person(s) who can't stand that others might have different thoughts and opinions seem to congregate there.[/QUOTE]
Your opinion that the mother is to blame for those two men deciding to murder her and her family based on your pure speculation in a case that has been documented for about three years?
Addressing something previously in the thread, man some of you guys are fucking spineless. Why is it even an issue to defend your home? If anyone I don't know breaks into my home I give zero fucks what their intentions are they are being held at gun point till police scoop them up and if they come at me with a knive or gun or something they are getting shot
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