Donald Trump has called for the Department of Education to be eliminated - Polidicks

[QUOTE=PsycheClops;51356365]I thought we do that technically for public schools through taxes. Private schools is just spending more directly to the school.[/QUOTE] yeah i'd hardly compare a minute increase in taxes to paying out of your ass

[video]https://youtu.be/Vpdt7omPoa0?t=9[/video] Honestly education is a mess in the United States, but just throwing out the department is a little crazy.

what exactly does the department of education do? american public education runs on the city level with strong state influences. when you go to a public school your school is run by the "[Your city name] Independent School District." How does the federal government influence these independent districts?

With shit like this going on, you should expect people who feel powerless to riot in the streets.

I mean it is rife with embezzlement and corruption, but I'm not sure how completely dismantling the establishment would fix the problem.

[QUOTE=Chaitin;51355174]Never understood why education is a federal jurisdiction in the U.S., maybe that's because I'm Canadian.[/QUOTE] As a European, I don't understand why it isn't. Something as crucial as education should be federal level, rather than state or even lower level. At least in terms of how stuff is calculated. Or minimum mandatory curriculum.

I don't think anyone would allow for him to up and abolish the Dept. of Education. I (and so, so many people) who rely on federal loans and grants to attend college would suddenly have nothing.

[QUOTE=sgman91;51355222]This has nothing to do with privatizing schools. It just moves the power to the states. I've worked in my local school district at a fairly high level dealing with Ed. Code application and the like. Federal involvement gets in the way in basically every single way.[/QUOTE] lol The Dep of Ed is what allows students to be able to go to college thanks to student loans. You eliminate the Dep of Ed you destroy your national college student body, want to know what happens after that? Brain drain, but 5x worse because anyone who manages to get a degree in time won't stick around when the economy stagnates. You have high school grads who can't afford an average of 20k a year for college? Guess what, they'll work their ass off to become Canadian or European citizens so they can actually have a chance of getting an education. That is assuming Trump doesn't privatize K-12. Our economy will not survive off a uneducated citizenry. We are a service and skilled labor market, the former being mostly filled by youth and elderly and the latter being filled by college grads. [editline]11th November 2016[/editline] If you also think states will provide funding for student loans in place of the federal government, the south and midwest states get their funding from the federal government who gets it from the Northeast/west coast states like California, New York, New Jersey. None of the midwest or southern population will get money for college. So good luck with that.

Dept. of Ed is fucked, State and Feds have wasted so much money, blatantly to the companies that supply textbooks to our schools. And it doesn't work. Get rid of it and replace it or heavily reform it.

[QUOTE=ThurnisHaley;51357135]Dept. of Ed is fucked, State and Feds have wasted so much money, blatantly to the companies that supply textbooks to our schools. And it doesn't work. Get rid of it and replace it or heavily reform it.[/QUOTE] If they get rid of it do you really think they would replace it? Would it really be in Trumps best interest to have a educated society when the poorly/non-educated got him into power in the first place?

[QUOTE=ThurnisHaley;51357135]Dept. of Ed is fucked, State and Feds have wasted so much money, blatantly to the companies that supply textbooks to our schools. And it doesn't work. Get rid of it and replace it or heavily reform it.[/QUOTE] Oh and you think a company like Pearson is going to do what in that situation? Sit back, stop their lobbying efforts? No, they will double down on a state and local level and it'll become even worse

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51357151]Oh and you think a company like Pearson is going to do what in that situation? Sit back, stop their lobbying efforts? No, they will double down on a state and local level and it'll become even worse[/QUOTE] jesus christ the mention of Pearson triggers me. Fuckers make you have to spend over a $100 for a code to access online portions of some courses that the college deems mandatory. I'm already dreading what they will plot if Trump goes through with this.

good luck america

[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;51357205]good luck america[/QUOTE] 4 years from now if we get him out of office it will be like recovering from a really, really long hangover.

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51357197]jesus christ the mention of Pearson triggers me. Fuckers make you have to spend over a $100 for a code to access online portions of some courses that the college deems mandatory. I'm already dreading what they will plot if Trump goes through with this.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it's not a good thought. No one really has much love for any particular government body or agency but they exist for a purpose and their loss will be felt. I think the changes need to come but not like this and it's just going to result in the complete and utter privatization of the system letting divisions of companies vie for control over education standards in certain areas controlling the entire learning curriculum of a child until they're a college student and even further beyond that. that's an incredible, and disgusting amount of control. It's a worst case scenario for sure, but it's a truly terrible one.

[QUOTE=nepnepnep;51356158]privatizing is always good then its someones name on the plate and not just some public state school people work harder that way[/QUOTE] It's not when large businesses use it to promote their own interests and fuck over common people, and no, people aren't going to just magically work harder because something is private rather than government-operated. [QUOTE=nepnepnep;51356237]if they burn out because they do their job then maybe just maybe they are not suited to do the job to start with[/QUOTE] Have you ever actually worked? Do you live in the real world among real people, or do you just live in a basement posting on the internet all day? Or is it the opposite, that you have a cushy job that requires so little effort you don't understand that people can get burned out over work they [I]are[/I] cut out for or don't have a choice in doing?

I am at a Lost for word's and i am still extremely shocked. The dow jones dropped a Great number today.... CHANGE huh ?

[QUOTE=abcpea;51357612]I am at a Lost for word's and i am still extremely shocked. The dow jones dropped a Great number today.... CHANGE huh ?[/QUOTE] uhhh..? [IMG]http://puu.sh/sfpBu/fd66fb0700.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Komodoh;51357636]uhhh..? [IMG]http://puu.sh/sfpBu/fd66fb0700.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] The post you're quoting is a direct (and kind've obscure) reference to an old Yahoo Answers question.

A centralized education system hands way too much control to one body. There is something to be said about how it lets the government overpower, say, an anti-science education system in a particular state or county, but that depends on someone reasonable actually being in power. Would you really want someone like Donald Trump deciding what kids learn about in school? Decentralizing it at least means that you have more options for switching schools if the one you're at is teaching you bullshit. [QUOTE=ElectricSquid;51357531]It's not when large businesses use it to promote their own interests and fuck over common people, and no, people aren't going to just magically work harder because something is private rather than government-operated. [/quote] The point of privatization is to introduce some nonzero amount of incentive into the system. Government schools have pretty much no reason to give a shit about their students because the parents aren't paying for it. There's a good reason that parents dump a ton of money into private schools, the government education system here is awful. Every single candidate for every single office in the country calls themselves the education candidate, they pass their glorious education reform, and then absolutely nothing changes. The one common factor over the last half century is that government school is free, and kids are forced to go to it. If we continue to have a free education system that's taxpayer funded, then it's going to stay garbage. Also, private schools already exist in the country, I don't really see any corporate empires in charge of schools. Regarding the burning out argument, I really doubt that a lot of the public education teachers work that hard. But also, as a teacher, when someone's future depends on the quality of your instruction, you're signing up for a pretty big commitment and should put in the work accordingly. There are plenty of less stressful jobs than teaching.

[QUOTE=Levithan;51357682]The post you're quoting is a direct (and kind've obscure) reference to an old Yahoo Answers question.[/QUOTE] 2008 stormfront post

[QUOTE=abcpea;51357874]2008 stormfront post[/QUOTE] My memory is shite, thanks for the refresher.

[QUOTE=FlandersNed;51355228]This seems a bit like a sensationalist headline, he said to abolish the department in his campaign but it's nowhere in his 100 day plan. All the article is talking about is [I]how[/I] he could do it, not if he is still doing it.[/QUOTE] This is the press in a nutshell, don't expect any type of sincerity from them.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;51355183]To be fair, it's a department created in 1979 that has been the source of much ridicule and money-pitting over the decades.[/QUOTE] Seriously, our schools were better before the department was created.

You really don't see much intervention by the Dept of Ed. Education is already primarily a state thing and it will always be absolutely terrible. As long as any department is run by humans, it will suck.

The question is what will Trump do with the 1.2trillon student loan debt? My guess sell it to private collectors who will raise the rates and get rid of deferral options.

[QUOTE=viper shtf;51359047]Seriously, our schools were better before the department was created.[/QUOTE] It's fairly hard to figure out if that's true or not. In terms of grades: [URL="http://www.heritage.org/static/reportimages/796DF8C7C231CFFE366308277E88CF57.gif"]NAEP Reading scores haven't significantly changed since 1971 according the NAEP scores(right graph).[/URL] [URL="https://object.cato.org/images/testimony/coulson-2-9-11-3.jpg"]Math hasn't either, but Science has gone down.[/URL] [URL="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Historical_Average_ACT_Scores.svg"]ACT scores have been moderately level barring the change to the test in 1989 (two sections replaced, existing sections redone, and a change in how it's scored).[/URL] On the SAT, [URL="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Historical_Average_SAT_Scores_%28Vector%29.svg"]Critical Thinking has dropped 10 points since 1979, Math has increased about 20 points, and the new writing section put in place in 2006 has dropped 15 points.[/URL] The problem with looking at this is that the tests have changed a fair amount even before stuff like No Child Left Behind. Most standardized tests focus on problem solving rather than knowing facts as well. [URL="https://costofcollege.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/20110912-cochsgradeinflation1.jpg"]Grade Inflation[/URL] is also an issue, where GPAs are going up because it looks better, not because people are improving. Stuff like teachers, other students, quality of the school itself, etc. are largely dependent on where you went to school and what district/state it was in. Lunches probably have changed for the worse in the eyes of middle/high school students though. New laws that Michelle Obama pushed and all that. Probably better for people in the long run.

[QUOTE=Chaitin;51355174]Never understood why education is a federal jurisdiction in the U.S., maybe that's because I'm Canadian.[/QUOTE] Because the states have proven time and time again that they can't handle it.

America's school systems are a fucking joke. I'll pray that this is part of some long term plan to make them actually good, but that might be too optimistic.

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