Annual Neo-Nazi assembly in Sweden gathers approximately 800 persons - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;26646804]"nope all muslims are like hitler lol" Collectivism in it's prime form. Take a member from a group and judge the entire group from that member's opinions. Hitler was a leader, and could direct the entire group because the group was in fact a party and it's easier to direct a party than a fucking religion with 1 500 000 000 members which all have different opinions on how the quran should be interpreted. Just because we can't cooperate with extremists within a group doesn't mean we can't cooperate with the rest of the group. Some points: 1. Where do you get your numbers from? Who counts as an extremist and who doesn't? 2. Islam isn't a [I]united[/I] religion, let alone a fucking army. You can't compare it with the Wermacht. 3. So, because there are 500 million extremist muslims in the world, it automatically means that immigrants in Malmö are bribing the media to not cover any news from Rosengård? 4. 4,5% of the world population is actually 300 million. 5. You're paranoid. Collectivist bullshit. Move on. How is it freedom if you're not allowed to believe in what you want. How is it freedom if you're not allowed to have a different opinion. How is it freedom when we have a great list declaring what you can and can't think. Nobody deserves a special treatment, and that's what freedom is about. A muslim can be in Sweden and believe in sharia if he wants to, that's freedom of speech, and freedom shouldn't have any exceptions apart from when it harms another indivudual's integrity, wealth, freedom and possessions. Then, only then can freedom be revoked by the state.[/QUOTE] Aside from your typical arrogant smear campaign, since, all you pretty much did was a personal attack, hardly focusing on the subject. Now, you say freedom of speech, but, I say; sure, but it ends there. I don't consider molotov cocktails as pleasant conversation, or a bunch of high and mighty jerks trying to manipulate and threaten their way into the government as a matter of opinion. You're far too intoxicated by freedom to see when it's time to defend it. I'm not saying war, I'm just saying that we need to say no, that we need to put our foot down, they can say and think whatever they want, but what they cannot do is hurt other human beings physically and then expect to get away with it. So, mind pulling your head out of your ass? As for "collectivist bullshit", how else do you value a faction if not by their agenda? Religion is authority, so when someone says conquest, then conquest is the most valid thing to judge them by. The world isn't some fairymuffin crapped out of a unicorn, and even though it might be unfair and "offensive" to some, it sure beats the alternative; "The Islamic Republic of Sweden". [editline]13th December 2010[/editline] I treat people as equals, and when they try to publicly lynch a prime minister in broad daylight infront of the police, and not one single arrest is made, it's easy to tell that they're getting special treatment.

[QUOTE=Vinze;26646909]Aside from your typical arrogant smear campaign, since, all you pretty much did was a personal attack, hardly focusing on the subject. Now, you say freedom of speech, but, I say; sure, but it ends there. I don't consider molotov cocktails as pleasant conversation, or a bunch of high and mighty jerks trying to manipulate and threaten their way into the government as a matter of opinion. You're far too intoxicated by freedom to see when it's time to defend it. I'm not saying war, I'm just saying that we need to say no, that we need to put our foot down, they can say and think whatever they want, but what they cannot do is hurt other human beings physically and then expect to get away with it. So, mind pulling your head out of your ass? As for "collectivist bullshit", how else do you value a faction if not by their agenda? Religion is authority, so when someone says conquest, then conquest is the most valid thing to judge them by. The world isn't some fairymuffin crapped out of a unicorn, and even though it might be unfair and "offensive" to some, it sure beats the alternative; "The Islamic Republic of Sweden". [editline]13th December 2010[/editline] I treat people as equals, and when they try to publicly lynch a prime minister in broad daylight infront of the police, and not one single arrest is made, it's easy to tell that they're getting special treatment.[/QUOTE] Smear campaign? I called you paranoid and collectivist, and you've recently called me "PC-liberal pussy". Rest of my reply is directed at your arguments. As for freedom, I explicitely stated that freedom ends when it harms. My freedom starts where your freedom ends, so to speak. Throwing molotovs is not a freedom. [quote]As for "collectivist bullshit", how else do you value a faction if not by their agenda? Religion is authority, so when someone says conquest, then conquest is the most valid thing to judge them by. [/quote] Religion isn't necessarily an authority. Some people in Islam have religious leaders and others don't. And in a religion with 1,5 billion members the agenda can differ from different factions within the religion, as the only common thing the muslims have is the quran, which can be interpreted as the reader wishes. You, however, take the most extreme factions from the religion and judge the whole religion on that basis. Collectivism in it's prime form, because all muslims are like Hitler, eh? Now, would you please answer where you got those numbers from, and how this is relevant to immigrants bribing the media to not cover news from Malmö?

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;26647185]Smear campaign? I called you paranoid and collectivist, and you've recently called me "PC-liberal pussy". Rest of my reply is directed at your arguments. As for freedom, I explicitely stated that freedom ends when it harms. My freedom starts where your freedom ends, so to speak. Throwing molotovs is not a freedom. Religion isn't necessarily an authority. Some people in Islam have religious leaders and others don't. And in a religion with 1,5 billion members the agenda can differ from different factions within the religion, as the only common thing the muslims have is the quran, which can be interpreted as the reader wishes. You, however, take the most extreme factions from the religion and judge the whole religion on that basis. Collectivism in it's prime form, because all muslims are like Hitler, eh? Now, would you please answer where you got those numbers from, and how this is relevant to immigrants bribing the media to not cover news from Malmö?[/QUOTE] I got it from a poll, asking 100 average day to day muslims if they supported terrorism/sharia law. 33% said yes, then I just calculated that with the 1.6 billion muslims worldwide, and there's a valid statistic, if not even smaller, since they asked average muslims, the kind you so bravely defend. Imagine if you'd ask the middle-eastern kind, odds are, a lot more would be routing for terrorism. Also, the fact that you refuse to put a standard on muslims only causes you to let them get away with things, since the bad ones can always blend in the crowd, which is hardly realistic. If you're guilty over being white, take it elsewhere, there's rich saudi madmen who sponsors zealots all over the world to preach hatred to their loyal sheep. That's how religion works. Also, stop trying to twist around my view of freedom. I've just learned to draw the line at "criminal", we tend to take away freedom from criminals, muslim or not, perhaps you should stop being so discriminating and treat them like equals. All I said was that we should not let their uncivilized ways to rule a country corrupt our peaceful society, and if you have a problem with that, then maybe you should grow up and try not to see everything in such a divided contrast.

[QUOTE=Vinze;26647496]I got it from a poll, asking 100 average day to day muslims if they supported terrorism/sharia law. 33% said yes, then I just calculated that with the 1.6 billion muslims worldwide, and there's a valid statistic, if not even smaller, since they asked average muslims, the kind you so bravely defend. Imagine if you'd ask the middle-eastern kind, odds are, a lot more would be routing for terrorism.[/quote]Fair enough. Now may I ask you how this is relevant to immigrants bribing the media? [quote] Also, the fact that you refuse to put a standard on muslims only causes you to let them get away with things, since the bad ones can always blend in the crowd, which is hardly realistic. If you're guilty over being white, take it elsewhere, there's rich saudi madmen who sponsors zealots all over the world to preach hatred to their loyal sheep. That's how religion works. [/quote]It's the other way around, marking all muslims as extremists makes the real extremists blend into the crowd. Extremists can't blend into a crowd if we distinguish moderate islam from radical islam, since obviously there are more moderate muslims than radical. [quote] Also, stop trying to twist around my view of freedom. I've just learned to draw the line at "criminal", we tend to take away freedom from criminals, muslim or not, perhaps you should stop being so discriminating and treat them like equals. All I said was that we should not let their uncivilized ways to rule a country corrupt our peaceful society, and if you have a problem with that, then maybe you should grow up and try not to see everything in such a divided contrast.[/QUOTE]I'm not twisting your view of freedom, merely sharing mine. We have different opinions on that matter, clearly.

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;26647936]Fair enough. Now may I ask you how this is relevant to immigrants bribing the media? [/QUOTE] Rich Saudi extremists, they run a lot of the media, just look at Fox. [QUOTE=Ond kaja;26647936] It's the other way around, marking all muslims as extremists makes the real extremists blend into the crowd. Extremists can't blend into a crowd if we distinguish moderate islam from radical islam, since obviously there are more moderate muslims than radical. [/QUOTE] They do it for no other reason than their religion, and they are muslims. So, your idea is to go from "something" to "nothing" in identifying the threat. ...Yeah, when they finally get their hands on something really dangerous, you can always look back, knowing that you fully neglected it for the sake of not potentially hurting someone's feelings. I get profiled/prejudiced all the time, I don't give a damn since I know it's nothing personal. [QUOTE=Ond kaja;26647936] I'm not twisting your view of freedom, merely sharing mine. We have different opinions on that matter, clearly.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I just tend to value mine enough to try and hold on to it...

[QUOTE=Vinze;26648211]Rich Saudi extremists, they run a lot of the media, just look at Fox. They do it for no other reason than their religion, and they are muslims. So, your idea is to go from "something" to "nothing" in identifying the threat. ...Yeah, when they finally get their hands on something really dangerous, you can always look back, knowing that you fully neglected it for the sake of not potentially hurting someone's feelings. I get profiled/prejudiced all the time, I don't give a damn since I know it's nothing personal. Yeah, I just tend to value mine enough to try and hold on to it...[/QUOTE] Ah, of course. It's obvious that Saudi moguls are controlling Swedish media. There is no other explanation to why Schibsted, Bonnier and GP refuse to cover news from areas with high immigrant density. They are controlled by Saudi extremists, no need for evidence, it's so obvious. No, please stop with conspiracy theories. Furthermore, yes, they all identify themselves as muslims. But they all have different opinions on how the quran should be interpreted. For fuck sake, it's a religion of 1 500 000 000 people, are we supposed to consider them all as a potential threat to our society? Are you so proud about our society that you think it's important to defend it to the extent that we have to neglect all the values it stands on? I'm not afraid of hurting anyones feelings, but it's ridiculous to treat them all as a potential threat just because some people within the religion are terrorists. In a group of 1 500 000 000 people you are guarenteed to find a faction of zealots, regardless of the group's beliefs, its structure, its agenda etc.

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;26648608]Ah, of course. It's obvious that Saudi moguls are controlling Swedish media. There is no other explanation to why Schibsted, Bonnier and GP refuse to cover news from areas with high immigrant density. They are controlled by Saudi extremists, no need for evidence, it's so obvious. No, please stop with conspiracy theories. Furthermore, yes, they all identify themselves as muslims. But they all have different opinions on how the quran should be interpreted. For fuck sake, it's a religion of 1 500 000 000 people, are we supposed to consider them all as a potential threat to our society? Are you so proud about our society that you think it's important to defend it to the extent that we have to neglect all the values it stands on? I'm not afraid of hurting anyones feelings, but it's ridiculous to treat them all as a potential threat just because some people within the religion are terrorists. In a group of 1 500 000 000 people you are guarenteed to find a faction of zealots, regardless of the group's beliefs, its structure, its agenda etc.[/QUOTE] You're twisting my words, I just want to keep them away from our politics until they get their situation in order. As for the "conspiracy theories", it's not just theories, there has been investigations, Saudi oil kings throw bribes around all over the place. There's plenty of evidence. Either they offer oil or money, either way, they have tons of power. Hell, funds have even been traced to Saudi extremists when it comes to the Ground Zero mosque. I think you're a bit too much in denial, the world isn't just a pretty little fairy tale, evil holds it with an iron grip, and greed is the only thing that motivates change.

Let's play Where's Waldo but with Gurant!

[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;26624615]Just saying, I guess... It's really basically the same thing.[/QUOTE] you're much better at procuring boxes than me damn how do you do it

[QUOTE=Vinze;26648707]You're twisting my words, I just want to keep them away from our politics until they get their situation in order. As for the "conspiracy theories", it's not just theories, there has been investigations, Saudi oil kings throw bribes around all over the place. There's plenty of evidence. Either they offer oil or money, either way, they have tons of power. Hell, funds have even been traced to Saudi extremists when it comes to the Ground Zero mosque. [/quote]And I think you're paranoid. I didn't say Saudi moguls were powerless, I just doubt they control Swedish media. You're twisting my words too. [quote] I think you're a bit too much in denial, the world isn't just a pretty little fairy tale, evil holds it with an iron grip, and greed is the only thing that motivates change.[/QUOTE] It wouldn't surprise me if you've sealed all your windows with wooden boards and swallowed the key to your front door. Right, let's end this stupid discussion already.

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;26649236]Right, let's end this stupid discussion already.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it's easy to tell you're giving up when all you have to offer is bad jokes on your opponent's account. Ah, well, maybe you'll win next time, eh?

We should make them all sterile.

[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;26625665]Unless you know about the current political problems with immigration in Sweden, it's really ignorant to say things like "I hope they all die" or "wow those guys are dumb". There IS an immigration problem. We're taking in far too many immigrants than we can handle, most of these go to communities like Rosengård where living and economical conditions are far worse than the rest of Sweden, simply because we got no where else to put them and nothing to do with them. This results in a growing Sweden-hate amongst the immigrants inside and outside of these communities. There are even gangs of immigrants who specifically target Swedes to steal, rape and assault. I'm not a nazi, neither am I in this march. Hell, my parents are immigrants. But I'm not blind to the huge problems we have with our current mass-immigration.[/QUOTE] Same in Finland.

Neo-Nazis are just trolls nowadays.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;26650894]Neo-Nazis are just trolls nowadays.[/QUOTE] No, I think they're actually racist. The real nazis weren't trolls.

[QUOTE=Mr.Thorn;26624094]Immigration needs to stop.[/QUOTE] ...he said, in a thread about Neo-Nazism. Is there something you're trying to tell us? [editline]12th December 2010[/editline] Oh look, Vinze is claiming that people who name themselves after the biggest campaign of systematic ethnic extermination in human history aren't necessarily racist! What a surprise.

[QUOTE=Vinze;26650083]Yeah, it's easy to tell you're giving up when all you have to offer is bad jokes on your opponent's account. Ah, well, maybe you'll win next time, eh?[/QUOTE] And you call me arrogant.

[QUOTE=TH89;26650989]...he said, in a thread about Neo-Nazism. Is there something you're trying to tell us? [editline]12th December 2010[/editline] Oh look, Vinze is claiming that people who name themselves after the biggest campaign of systematic ethnic extermination in human history aren't necessarily racist! What a surprise.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it's like I communicate with people and see them as individuals instead of labels... I just hate it how muslims are saints and nazis are bastards all of a sudden, they're both out to take over the world and exterminate the jews, and since people seem to play unfair on that, I just went in to even the scores. I don't like nazis or anything, but mob-mentality like that is only dumb and narrow-minded. But yeah, we get it, you're doing your best to make sure that all races on this forum are as uncomfortable around eachother as possible by calling everyone a racist, and you're doing a great job, really. So let's just leave it at that. [editline]13th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Ond kaja;26653085]And you call me arrogant.[/QUOTE] Yeah, so?

[QUOTE=Vinze;26654020]Yeah, it's like I communicate with people and see them as individuals instead of labels...[/QUOTE] Um, these people NAMED THEMSELVES after the followers of Hitler. They EXPLICITLY align themselves with an ideology founded on racism and violent repression. And you say they're "unfairly labeled?" [QUOTE=Vinze;26654020]I just hate it how muslims are saints and nazis are bastards all of a sudden, they're both out to take over the world and exterminate the jews, and since people seem to play unfair on that, I just went in to even the scores.[/QUOTE] For what it's worth, no muslim I've met has ever hated me because of my ethnicity. Every neo-nazi I've met has. Just sayin.

[QUOTE=TH89;26654464]Um, these people NAMED THEMSELVES after the followers of Hitler. They EXPLICITLY align themselves with an ideology founded on racism and violent repression. And you say they're "unfairly labeled?" For what it's worth, no muslim I've met has ever hated me because of my ethnicity. Every neo-nazi I've met has. Just sayin.[/QUOTE] They declare themselves nationalist-socialists, that's what nazism stands for. Hitler was a massive jackass, sure, but, saying all nazis are racist, is like saying that Marxism and Communism is the same. Like all political activists who follows a utopian concept with a formula that does not suit mankind; they're idiots, but they can hardly be compared to the diplomatically omnipotent troopers of hatred that brought Europe to it's knees. They're just self-righteous jerks with a bunch of candles, I mean, it's hardly the same thing, they're just walking through a park, they're not killing anyone. I do get how it must be annoying to face biggots and the like, I've experienced it myself, I mean, like when I was in Spain I was accused of vandalism for being the only white guy around, and it was only by mere coincidence that it was my fault. The staff was rude, they had it coming... But I digress; There's no excuse for any type of behaviour they express towards you, but, in Sweden they tend to tune it down, that's all. I used to be friends with one of the more "kingpin" nationalists, and he had tons of colored friends. I think you're just too used to the more stereotypical kind of neo-nazi, and I can understand that, by all means. But, this just isn't the same thing.

[QUOTE=Vinze;26654719]They declare themselves nationalist-socialists, that's what nazism stands for. Hitler was a massive jackass, sure, but, saying all nazis are racist, is like saying that Marxism and Communism is the same.[/QUOTE] "Nazi" is a term created by Hitler's people to describe [i]their specific form[/i] of national socialism, one of the fundamental tenets of which was racism. Nazism isn't just another name for national socialism, it's a distinct form of it. Specifically Hitler's form. If I were a Swedish national socialist who opposed racism, why would I refer to myself using the a German name for the most horrifically violent and racist manifestation of national socialism in history? Wouldn't I think that was, I don't know, counter-productive? Like naming a communist group after the Khmer Rouge or something.

vinze why are you so stupid

[QUOTE=TH89;26654904]"Nazi" is a term created by Hitler's people to describe [i]their specific form[/i] of national socialism, one of the fundamental tenets of which was racism. Nazism isn't just another name for national socialism, it's a distinct form of it. Specifically Hitler's form. If I were a Swedish national socialist who opposed racism, why would I refer to myself using the a German name for the most horrifically violent and racist manifestation of national socialism in history? Wouldn't I think that was, I don't know, counter-productive? Like naming a communist group after the Khmer Rouge or something.[/QUOTE] True, but you need to understand that these people have no idea what they're doing. I mean, I've talked to them. They're kinda like those boneheads with the assault rifles who walks around the Arizona borders hunting for Mexicans. I mean, they're idiots, but the problem isn't racism as much as it is patriotism.

[QUOTE=Mr.Thorn;26624094]Immigration needs to stop.[/QUOTE] How can there be so many agrees?

[QUOTE=Kingy_why;26655420]How can there be so many agrees?[/QUOTE] Xenophobic idiots.

[QUOTE=Vinze;26654020] I just hate it how muslims are saints and nazis are bastards all of a sudden, they're both out to take over the world and exterminate the jews[/QUOTE] man what the fuck are you even talking about

[QUOTE=I'm an Alt;26624791]The immigration actually may have to stop or we're going to end up with too many people and too few jobs from what I've heard, but still, I hate these people.[/QUOTE] I don't think Sweden has to worry about too many people. It's population is declining. Actually the US is one of the only developed countries that isn't experiencing population decline, because we allow immigration.

[QUOTE=I'm an Alt;26624791]The immigration actually may have to stop or we're going to end up with too many people and too few jobs from what I've heard, but still, I hate these people.[/QUOTE] The baby boomers are starting to retire, all these CEOs and shit are going to be gone and the relatively small working age population will have to support their old wrinkly asses. There is not going to be a shortage of jobs.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;26669103]The baby boomers are starting to retire, all these CEOs and shit are going to be gone and the relatively small working age population will have to support their old wrinkly asses. There is not going to be a shortage of jobs.[/QUOTE] It isn't about a shortage of jobs.

[QUOTE=Diet Kane;26654921]vinze why are you so stupid[/QUOTE] Whoever the hell you are, why's your mom such a whore? ...See? You're not the only one who can hurt people's feelings...