Orange Coast College Student Threatened With Expulsion After Recording Professor’s Anti-Trump Tirade - Polidicks

I'd definitely report this professor. No student, regardless if their Democrat or Republican, should feel discriminated against. Keep politics out of the classroom unless the class is directly tied to political discussion. Even then the instructor should be professional enough to keep their own ideology out of it and let students form their own opinions.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51665404]If recordings require double consent in that State there might be criminal charges [editline]13th January 2017[/editline] Yes, California is a two party system, though a lecture might be a "public meeting", or private among students so maybe student may record it, IANAL It isnt clear cut, it would be 100% legal if Cali were a one party state[/QUOTE] They can still be expelled even if it was a single party state. This is administrative action, not criminal.

I'm glad I never had a professor that was super self righteous. For the most part they kept their politics to themselves. You could tell who were liberals and who were conservatives though by how they teach. Apparently we had a super liberal political science professor that everyone liked to make fun of. I took that somewhere else though and never got to experience it. He resigned because Texas made it legal to conceal carry on campus and he didn't want to get shot or something. The campus sold off his books that he left behind and most of them were about how The Bush's, Cheney, Halliburton, Business, Republicans are evil. Pretty funny.

[QUOTE=jimbobjoe1234;51666101]I'd definitely report this professor. No student, regardless if their Democrat or Republican, should feel discriminated against. Keep politics out of the classroom unless the class is directly tied to political discussion. Even then the instructor should be professional enough to keep their own ideology out of it and let students form their own opinions.[/QUOTE] I usually don't mind political discussions by professors, it is something you should be expected to deal with. Like a boss you might have in the future who goes on a soapbox. Now where this teacher really hits the bullshit level is the point where she goes on about civil war, Trump's presidency being a terrorist act, and other extreme views that make it obvious if you were to challenge her as a Trump supporter, you would be in a horrible position and just isn't worth arguing. Just a shitty professor who probably doesn't really want to have an actual discussion and rather spew their bullshit pov. Keep your head low, get your grade, and use ratemyprofessor.com next time to avoid these derps.

This professor makes it pretty obvious they aren't open to any kind of thought-provoking discussion and critical thinking that college is supposed to teach.

[QUOTE=Sableye;51665394]from my experience, college ethics, philosophy and civics teachers tend to hold their opinions higher than the rest of their students and you shouldn't make a fuss about it, especially since you're only in their class for at most 2 hours a week theres no chance hes going to get expelled though, the title is once again sensationalized. the union cant do shit either but they shouldn't be threatening students[/QUOTE] No. You should not being going to get an education and leaving with someones opinion, especially somewhere you have to pay for the education. I would've been pissed if that was my class.

Imo, any contract or agreement that prevents students from recording lessons is essentially an admittance that you're hiding bad behavior. Why wouldn't a professor want their material being heard by as many people as possible?

Eh. I wouldn't be thrillee to pay the huge amount it would cost me to attend college, only to have someone spout their political opinions out instead of teaching me. (Then again, I probably wouldn't take a class that seems sorta useless like this one, to begin with) Then again, again, you did agree to adhere to certain rules. If you want to release a video of it to stir something up.. well, I'd at least do it anonymously.

[QUOTE=sgman91;51666799]Imo, any contract or agreement that prevents students from recording lessons is essentially an admittance that you're hiding bad behavior. Why wouldn't a professor want their material being heard by as many people as possible?[/QUOTE] Most of the time it's because people [I]pay[/I] for classes. If you're not paying, you shouldn't have access to that lecture or class material. In terms of how college works, anyway. [editline]13th January 2017[/editline] At my school, you need explicit permission from a professor to record lectures and usually only if they're for personal use. A lot of professors won't even let you do that unless you have a letter from the disability office saying you're allowed to audio record.

Whether or not the student was in the wrong for recording and uploading the rant, I have no idea how anyone thinks it isn't absolutely minuscule compared to the professor's behaviour. Teachers who spout their opinions like that have failed as teachers and should be fired.

[QUOTE=Bertie;51666836]Whether or not the student was in the wrong for recording and uploading the rant, I have no idea how anyone thinks it isn't absolutely minuscule compared to the professor's behaviour. Teachers who spout their opinions like that have failed as teachers and should be fired.[/QUOTE] Oh don't worry, she is under investigation. Again don't mind a political stance from a teacher, but atleast put it in a way that encourages a healthy debate or discussion and not a soapbox.

[QUOTE=Pascall;51666825]Most of the time it's because people [I]pay[/I] for classes. If you're not paying, you shouldn't have access to that lecture or class material. In terms of how college works, anyway. [editline]13th January 2017[/editline] At my school, you need explicit permission from a professor to record lectures and usually only if they're for personal use. A lot of professors won't even let you do that unless you have a letter from the disability office saying you're allowed to audio record.[/QUOTE] I mean, you pay for the credit, not the material. I can learn essentially everything for the large majority of degree programs without attending a single lecture, but I won't finish with a diploma. As a professor, I can't imagine not wanting people to spread my lessons as far and wide as possible, assuming I consider myself a good teacher.

[QUOTE=sgman91;51666799]Imo, any contract or agreement that prevents students from recording lessons is essentially an admittance that you're hiding bad behavior. Why wouldn't a professor want their material being heard by as many people as possible?[/QUOTE] In my experience, its because the professor is presenting topics that are their own work and not yet published, or otherwise copyrighted material that cannot be reproduced. Or the language or images used during the presentation are under privledge.

[QUOTE=sgman91;51666799]Imo, any contract or agreement that prevents students from recording lessons is essentially an admittance that you're hiding bad behavior. Why wouldn't a professor want their material being heard by as many people as possible?[/QUOTE] The contract is irrelevant. Recording looks to have been illegal to begin with since California requires the consent of everyone being recorded.

[QUOTE=sgman91;51666852]I mean, you pay for the credit, not the material. I can learn essentially everything for the large majority of degree programs without attending a single lecture, but I won't finish with a diploma. As a professor, I can't imagine not wanting people to spread my lessons as far and wide as possible, assuming I consider myself a good teacher.[/QUOTE] If it was okay to record lectures you'd probably get even less people attending than there already is. Hell, I don't know what US Colleges are like but in my Uni you already had a whole bunch of people skipping lectures they didn't feel like attending with the justification that the PowerPoint was available on the Uni network. It's the students choice of course, and most lecturers (and professors I assume) won't really care, but the institution damn sure will.

Shouldn't of been uploaded, it just needed to be as proof to the college that the event happened.

[QUOTE=1239the;51666512]This professor makes it pretty obvious they aren't open to any kind of thought-provoking discussion and critical thinking that college is supposed to teach.[/QUOTE] I'll record two minutes out of your life and put it online without any sort of context. I'm sure I'll be able to make you look like an asshole who's not open towards any sort of discussion.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;51665473]Professors typically aren't allowed to be using university resources to push a political opinion/agenda.[/QUOTE] So that whole advocating white genocide just magically didn't happen then get swept under the rug a few weeks ago?

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51668479]I'll record two minutes out of your life and put it online without any sort of context. I'm sure I'll be able to make you look like an asshole who's not open towards any sort of discussion.[/QUOTE] I promise you could look at a recording of my entire life and never find anything comparable to this video, especially when I'm in a position of authority over others.

[QUOTE=Zephyrs;51669245]So that whole advocating white genocide just magically didn't happen then get swept under the rug a few weeks ago?[/QUOTE] I'm not quite up to date on that. Was that done in class on the university's dime or was that a personal Twitter thing?

[QUOTE=sgman91;51669310]I promise you could look at a recording of my entire life and never find anything comparable to this video, especially when I'm in a position of authority over others.[/QUOTE] Even so, editing is a powerful tool.

[QUOTE=Alice3173;51667181]The contract is irrelevant. Recording looks to have been illegal to begin with since California requires the consent of everyone being recorded.[/QUOTE] They are going to have a very hard time making any of it stick. Most of this works when it is in a private setting, with expected privacy between the parties. This isn't private. This is in a public area. Consent laws fall apart in a public space.

[QUOTE=jordguitar;51670900]They are going to have a very hard time making any of it stick. Most of this works when it is in a private setting, with expected privacy between the parties. This isn't private. This is in a public area. Consent laws fall apart in a public space.[/QUOTE] As far as I'm aware a university classroom doesn't actually count as a public space. In order to count as a public space then they would need to allow anyone at all inside. At the very least you have to be a student and most places wouldn't allow you in unless you're taking that specific class in the first place.

[QUOTE=Alice3173;51671272]As far as I'm aware a university classroom doesn't actually count as a public space. In order to count as a public space then they would need to allow anyone at all inside. At the very least you have to be a student and most places wouldn't allow you in unless you're taking that specific class in the first place.[/QUOTE] You still do not have any expectation to privacy there. Can't enforce the law easily because it is extremely clear that this conversation was not in private.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51670502]Even so, editing is a powerful tool.[/QUOTE] Sony Vegas? What does good video editing software have to do with anything?

[QUOTE=Tetsmega;51671433]Sony Vegas? What does good video editing software have to do with anything?[/QUOTE] I find it hilarious that Lambeth is still trying to make video recordings intimidating in the most ridiculous of ways to prove a point. Yah, editing can really suck, but usually it is pretty obvious when it is forced to convey a message to contradict the original point.

Why does everyone keep bringing up if its legal or not. Its irrelevant.

[QUOTE=jordguitar;51671406]You still do not have any expectation to privacy there. Can't enforce the law easily because it is extremely clear that this conversation was not in private.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/california-recording-law[/url] [QUOTE]If you are recording someone without their knowledge in a public or semi-public place like a street or restaurant, the person whom you're recording may or may not have "an objectively reasonable expectation that no one is listening in or overhearing the conversation," and the reasonableness of the expectation would depend on the particular factual circumstances. Therefore, you cannot necessarily assume that you are in the clear simply because you are in a public place.[/QUOTE] A university classroom is far less public than a street or restaurant given as examples here which are [I]still[/I] not guaranteed places you can freely record.

[QUOTE=Alice3173;51671477][url]http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/california-recording-law[/url] A university classroom is far less public than a street or restaurant given as examples here which are [I]still[/I] not guaranteed places you can freely record.[/QUOTE] They still need to determine if any law was broken which there is a chance that it's the case here. I record all my classes with my pen. It's cleared with the teacher under the ADA and only me and the teacher know that it is being recorded unless I let others know. At the same time, it's difficult to hide a huge pen that I am holding in a certain way and placing down in a certain way, and in one case, plugging it into the wall to charge it. I use it to recall notes I have taken. Now I can tell you, there are probably at least one other person in that room that is recording at minimum audio. Even if it wasn't cleared under the ADA, you don't reasonably expect a student under a large class load to remember everything and will use devices at their disposal to recall information that do not use just a pen and paper.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51671456]I find it hilarious that Lambeth is still trying to make video recordings intimidating in the most ridiculous of ways to prove a point. Yah, editing can really suck, but usually it is pretty obvious when it is forced to convey a message to contradict the original point.[/QUOTE] Well maliciously edited videos did end up killing acorn [video=youtube;9UOL9Jh61S8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UOL9Jh61S8[/video]