[QUOTE=Revenge282;49990482]The idea behind it, because I fall under the same umbrella, is that Clinton does not represent (at all) why I am voting for Sanders, and in actuality, Trump does.
I am not voting Sanders because I think he is going to accomplish everything he has planned out, sure he'll get the idea out and the ball rolling, but in reality, it's not going to happen in 4 years. I am voting Bernie because I know he's an authentic breath of fresh air. Hilary is no better than Cruz to me, and Trump is essentially the Sanders of the Republican party.
If I can't vote for the better of the two candidates who are likely to cause a paradigm shift in their parties, then I'll take the lesser. Because, to me, that shift in thinking and approaching your constituents is more important in the long run than anything else.
TLDR; I want to see something change, not more of the same old. I'll take which ever candidate has the best chance of doing that, in any party. I have no preference towards parties, only ideas. (eg. I switched from Republican to Democrat for the Florida primaries this year so I could vote Bernie.)[/QUOTE]
Do you even know what that change is?
How many of these "#BernieOrBust" people are there really? I expect not that many.. The majority of people upset about Bernie losing will probably simply not vote. Young people aren't exactly known for their great turn out.
[QUOTE=Morgen;49990575]How many of these "#BernieOrBust" people are there really? I expect not that many.. The majority of people upset about Bernie losing will probably simply not vote. Young people aren't exactly known for their great turn out.[/QUOTE]
I would think it would be an absolutely minuscule amount of people.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;49990588]I would think it would be an absolutely minuscule amount of people.[/QUOTE]
"A new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll indicates one third of Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders' supporters cannot see themselves voting for Hillary Clinton in November."
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49990527]Hillary is not "far-right" — get that shit out of here, she's not even comparable to Donald Trump — when it comes to the political spectrum. She doesn't support a ban on Muslims, she doesn't support a Nazi-style "Muslim people" database for all Muslims (we all know that Jewish little star-patch was only because the Nazis did not have the computer-database technology, so its the same shit and the Nazis would've had it if they could've).
She doesn't take 48 hours to disavow white supremacy, her policy platform is not "strengthening the border" and making the other side pay for it, and she certainly does not slander all immigrants and rapists and criminals trying to infiltrate us. She doesn't vow to blow up terrorists and their whole families, Israeli-style. She's not a sexist and she certainly does not talk about her bra-size or clitoris.
All these factors are someone who is far-right, someone who Clinton is not. She is center at most, but not "far-right"
Further— there is something called "Betting your money on the wining candidate" — special interests groups tends throw the weight of their money towards the candidate who they most likely think will win. Clinton has been projected to win since day 1, so a lot of banks and organizations are going to be funneling money to her regardless— so they can say "Look, we supported you since day 1" when really they wouldn't have if they thought Clinton wasn't already going to win.
Lastly, Donald Trump is a corporation. Clinton—at worst— is backed by a corporation. Donald Trump is the CEO of a very large corporation and will stop at nothing to ensure his corporation gets favorable treatment under the law. Trump Inc. is the personification of the worst type of skullduggery corporate entities out there, and anything to strengthen corporations like Trump's would set us back 50 years.[/QUOTE]At least Trump isn't responsible for the deaths of American citizens.
[QUOTE=Jzzb;49990618]At least Trump isn't responsible for the deaths of American citizens.[/QUOTE]
Let's not forget her treatment of rape victims and her flip flopping on gay marriage.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;49990617]"A new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll indicates one third of Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders' supporters cannot see themselves voting for Hillary Clinton in November."[/QUOTE]
that's not exactly the same. i don't see myself voting for clinton, but i'm also not about to vote for trump either. kind of sucks being in a predicament where nobody running represents your interests. why should i vote for someone that i disagree with?
[QUOTE=abcpea;49990545]yeah but hillary doesnt like guns and video games
[editline]24th March 2016[/editline]
the fuckin BITCH[/QUOTE]TRAITOR
shes a TRAITOR son
[QUOTE=Jzzb;49990618]At least Trump isn't responsible for the deaths of American citizens.[/QUOTE]
If Trump was president, he would be responsible for a lot more deaths than American foreign service workers stationed in a volatile region.
[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;49990638]Let's not forget her treatment of rape victims and her flip flopping on gay marriage.[/QUOTE]
Trump has been flipflopping for the past 40 years.
You can stay at home and don't vote in november, but you are basically helping Trump win.
[QUOTE=Jzzb;49990618]At least Trump isn't responsible for the deaths of American citizens.[/QUOTE]
Neither is Clinton
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49990643]that's not exactly the same. i don't see myself voting for clinton, but i'm also not about to vote for trump either. kind of sucks being in a predicament where nobody running represents your interests. why should i vote for someone that i disagree with?[/QUOTE]
Look at it this way, if you keep the establishment in your country will keep being somewhat stable and you'll only strengthen the need for change. If you vote for Trump you might just end up alienating people wanting chance and strengthening the establishment.
You could also abstain, but I don't see why you would.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49990445]Honestly those bernieorbust idiots are the actual fucking problem with American politics.
If you aren't going to take politics seriously and instead vote for the shitty candidate on purpose because you are salty that your preferred candidate lost, just so that it fucks things up, then why the hell should you have the right to vote in the first place? How fucking childish are people that they vote for Trump over Clinton because Sanders lost the nomination?[/QUOTE]
yes
a minority of idiots are definitely the problem with american politics
that is in no way an enormous exaggeration
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49990680]yes
a minority of idiots are definitely the problem with american politics
that is in no way an enormous exaggeration[/QUOTE]
2000 election
over and over and over and over
[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;49990638]Let's not forget her treatment of rape victims and her flip flopping on gay marriage.[/QUOTE]
She flipped on gay marriage when more Americans did. This is nothing compared to Trumps flip flopping where he says one thing during a debate then walks it back the next day when his consultants tell him its unpopular.
[QUOTE=Tinter;49990673]Look at it this way, if you keep the establishment in your country will keep being somewhat stable and you'll only strengthen the need for change. If you vote for Trump you might just end up alienating people wanting chance and strengthening the establishment.
You could also abstain, but I don't see why you would.[/QUOTE]
I guess there's also trying to push another nominee while there is still time. It's not like it'll do any harm.
also
"bernie is never going to win, stop being naive"
"don't vote for trump you idiot, you don't actually want trump"
"voting for an independent is helping trump win"
"don't write-in vote, you're helping trump win"
"if you abstain, you're helping trump win"
why don't you guys say "vote hillary" for fucks sake
it's like you're trying to find as many ways of saying that without actually saying it
you're trying to get people to vote for the candidate that you want in
[editline]23rd March 2016[/editline]
like, bernie isn't winning this and i hope to fuck hillary wins, but seeing this dog shit pisses me off
[QUOTE=Tinter;49990673]Look at it this way, if you keep the establishment in your country will keep being somewhat stable and you'll only strengthen the need for change. If you vote for Trump you might just end up alienating people wanting chance and strengthening the establishment.
You could also abstain, but I don't see why you would.[/QUOTE]
i would abstain because voting for clinton is the political equivalent of saying "hey, what youre doing is acceptable" and i disagree with that. im not going to vote against what i believe, which is why i see no reason to vote for clinton or trump. im not going to "vote tactically" because that goes against what i believe as well. there is no winning for me unless bernie pulls a miracle out his ass, but im not banking on that. this is the reason that i, and many others in my demographic, feel disenfranchised, and what my demographic has such low voter turnout. theres nobody to speak for us, so we feel as if we have no voice. if we have no voice, why bother trying to speak?
Where can I get a nice summary of these elections with a map showing which states already voted, which remain, who won where, percentages, delegates and all the fancy stuff ? The link in OP shows only last three states.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;49990752]Where can I get a nice summary of these elections with a map showing which states already voted, which remain, who won where, percentages, delegates and all the fancy stuff ? The link in OP shows only last three states.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016#Schedule_and_results_of_primaries_and_caucuses[/url]
Ok so I completely hate r/sandersforpresident, but this guy links every statement to external sources
[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4blzpp/arizona_is_a_massive_fraud/[/url]
Apparently he got 60-40 splits in released exit polls, and the actual voting results flipped completely, which is way past the margin of error for exit polls.
Man AZ is a complete mess right now
I abstained in 2012 because I felt the same regarding not having a voice. Then the next day I felt relieved that Obama had won. Perhaps you will feel the same nihilism after the big day but personally I'm not willing to toss away my vote because my ideal candidate wasn't popular enough to get on the ticket.
Sanders ought to run independently, or set up his own party entirely if he loses the nominations. Evidently there's a huge number of people who want him as president and would vote for him, who dislike Clinton and Trump considerably, whom both have very different solutions to the ones Sanders offers.
[QUOTE=Antlerp;49990785]Sanders ought to run independently, or set up his own party entirely if he loses the nominations. Evidently there's a huge number of people who want him as president and would vote for him, who dislike Clinton and Trump considerably, whom both have very different solutions to the ones Sanders offers.[/QUOTE]
THE 2000 ELECTIONS
OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER
[QUOTE=Antlerp;49990785]Sanders ought to run independently, or set up his own party entirely if he loses the nominations. Evidently there's a huge number of people who want him as president and would vote for him, who dislike Clinton and Trump considerably, whom both have very different solutions to the ones Sanders offers.[/QUOTE]
He wont. [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-on-why-he-wont-run-as-in-independent/[/url]
And he doesn't want you idiots writing his name-in either when he loses to Clinton.
[quote]"[B]What I did not want to do is run as a third party candidate, take votes away from the Democratic candidate and help elect some right-wing Republican[/B]. I did not want responsibility for that. So what I said at the beginning of the campaign is that I was not going to run as an independent. And I say it now, that [B]if I do not win this process I will not run as an independent[/B]."[/quote]
[QUOTE=Antlerp;49990785]Sanders ought to run independently, or set up his own party entirely if he loses the nominations. Evidently there's a huge number of people who want him as president and would vote for him, who dislike Clinton and Trump considerably, whom both have very different solutions to the ones Sanders offers.[/QUOTE]
You're not really helping the democrats to win the WH if you're just going to split the number of votes. This is also the reason why Bloomberg decided not to run.
bipartisan politics is stupid because of this shit.
The only comfort I have is that the president has to deal with congress and all that jazz so they can't just come in and fuck shit up.
Like, if Trump is elected we'll have 4 years of memes and nothing will change, whereas Hillary has the power within the establishment to actually fuck shit up.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49990795]He wont. [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-on-why-he-wont-run-as-in-independent/[/url]
And he doesn't want you idiots writing his name-in either when he loses to Clinton.[/QUOTE]
"you idiots", incredible, a great way to disrespect many people. While you consider me and millions of others as an idiot for wanting the simple ability to exercise our democratic right to vote for a candidate we believe in, I consider you an idiot, part of the reason why people feel they need to vote 'strategically', for the person they really don't believe in and just because they are a lesser evil.
But that's your problem to deal with. Here in the UK, we have the privilege of multiple parties.
I'm pretty sure most people would vote Trump because they don't want Hillary to win, not be cause she beat Sanders.
Me being one of them. I really can't stand Hillary Clinton.
I don't think the Bernie or bust crowd that I'm thinking of would vote for Hillary or Trump.
It makes no sense to vote for someone who goes against all of your interests but you guys try to convince people that it does.
I'd rathe vote for the candidate that lines most up with what I want to see. If that candidate is not the official lapdog of their corrupt party I could care less.
I personally feel that there is no difference between their affiliation.
Neither of them are going to do what's best for people.
The Clinton family is about as vindictive against opposition as the mafia, and Trump wants to silence anyone who disagrees with him.
Clinton says whatever the banks tell her to, and Trump is one of the bank owners so he says whatever the hell he wants to.
Clinton is one of many puppets for corporations and trump is one of the puppet masters. Hillary is only out to gain power and so is Trump.
You guys try to make it sound like the lesser of two evils isn't evil, and that is the same rhetoric that got us into this political clusterfuck in the first place.
We're not comparing apples and oranges, we're comparing apple and apples. One is a rotten red and the other is a rotten blue-ish color.
I don't know or care what kind of food you guys eat, but I'm not biting either of those Franken-fruits.
I'm voting for Sanders in April. And if there's enough of a split in both parties like in 1860, there's a chance we could get another Lincoln in office, I'm not voting for John C. Breckinridge or anyone else but Lincoln.
You might say I'm voting for Hillary-Trump, or throwing my vote away.
But I say the only people throwing their vote away are the ones who vote for Clinton or Trump since they don't agree with them
And I bet I'm not the only one who feels this way.
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