[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;49994298]Regardless if there's voter fraud involved in any of these primaries, it's clear that we need to make a new system that's designed for populations over a few thousand[/QUOTE]
Yeah, these lines are frankly fucking embarrassing. Its a sad day when American Idol has a better system of registering votes than some states.
this really is the worst election my country has had in over a century
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49994429]Yeah, these lines are frankly fucking embarrassing. Its a sad day when American Idol has a better system of registering votes than some states.[/QUOTE]
Voting for a TV show is not comparable to the US Presidential Election.
Of course its easier to pool phone # vote tallies than it is to confirm residency and legitimacy of physical voters
There's reports of a ridiculous amount of people who had their registration changed. I'm surprised this video hasn't been posted yet:
[media]https://vid.me/KKWP[/media]
Furthermore, one of the few exit polls that was released is drastically different than the "official" results.
Exit Polling:
Bernie Sanders- 62%
Hillary Clinton- 37%
Final count
Bernie Sanders- 45%
Hillary Clinton- 53%
[url]http://dcourier.com/news/2016/mar/22/courier-exit-polling-shows-cruz-leading-prescott-p/[/url]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/az/Dem[/url]
Really the question is if they could do it, stood to benefit, and could probably get away with it, why wouldn't they commit election fraud? Only time will tell if the "Oops lol it was a computer glitch sorry" will stand up in court. Not to mention the media calling it a Clinton win with <1% of the vote in and while people were still in line.
[url]http://usuncut.com/politics/5-examples-voter-suppression-arizona-primary/[/url]
[QUOTE=Mooman;49994477]There's reports of a ridiculous amount of people who had their registration changed. I'm surprised this video hasn't been posted yet:
[media]https://vid.me/KKWP[/media]
Furthermore, one of the few exit polls that was released is drastically different than the "official" results.
Exit Polling:
Bernie Sanders- 62%
Hillary Clinton- 37%
Final count
Bernie Sanders- 45%
Hillary Clinton- 53%
[url]http://dcourier.com/news/2016/mar/22/courier-exit-polling-shows-cruz-leading-prescott-p/[/url]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/az/Dem[/url]
Really the question is if they could do it, stood to benefit, and could probably get away with it, why wouldn't they commit election fraud? Only time will tell if the "Oops lol it was a computer glitch sorry" will stand up in court. Not to mention the media calling it a Clinton win with <1% of the vote in and while people were still in line.
[url]http://usuncut.com/politics/5-examples-voter-suppression-arizona-primary/[/url][/QUOTE]
This isn't exactly "discrete" fraud, do you think the Clinton campaign really shut down loads of voting booths through the DNC or something? If so that'd be like Watergate times twenty.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;49994531]This isn't exactly "discrete" fraud, do you think the Clinton campaign really shut down loads of voting booths through the DNC or something? If so that'd be like Watergate times twenty.[/QUOTE]
You'd think that, but this is exactly what happened in Florida during BushII/Gore election, and look how that turned out.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;49994458]Voting for a TV show is not comparable to the US Presidential Election.
Of course its easier to pool phone # vote tallies than it is to confirm residency and legitimacy of physical voters[/QUOTE]
And because it's easier to to pool phone # tallies why aren't we doing that, or at least making it an option? I think our voting systems are way behind the times.
[QUOTE=Cows Rule;49994908]And because it's easier to to pool phone # tallies why aren't we doing that, or at least making it an option? I think our voting systems are way behind the times.[/QUOTE]
too easy to game the system ID imagine
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;49991492]Uhm, source?[/QUOTE]
Probably a joke, it's from one of those old chain e-mails with a list of people that Bill / Hillary "assassinated". There's so many variations of it that none of them can be considered more authentic than the other. And of course like most chain e-mails, it's complete bullshit.
[QUOTE=Mooman;49994477] Not to mention the media calling it a Clinton win with <1% of the vote in and while people were still in line. [/QUOTE]
The media calling it early is meaningless; they did it in Michigan too. They look at the polls and go "yep, this person is probably going to win so instead of actually waiting a few hours until the actual fucking results show up let's just call it now so we can be first or whatever".
I forgot this happened, did Bernie die?
[QUOTE=Tacooo;49995213]I forgot this happened, did Bernie die?[/QUOTE]
He won Utah and Idaho. Nobody's really sure about Arizona since there's been a huge amount of fuckery with people's voter registration.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;49994531]This isn't exactly "discrete" fraud, do you think the Clinton campaign really shut down loads of voting booths through the DNC or something? If so that'd be like Watergate times twenty.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say it's the Clinton campaign per say. This is where is gets into real tin foil hat territory. Who knows whose fault it is. The Arizona elections are in control of the state (republican legislature).
For example, in Maricopa 2008 there were 200 polling stations. This year there were 60 stations. I get the whole budget cut thing, but a 70% reduction? I don't care the reason, that policy does not have democracy in mind. Of course this happened at the same time and tightening voter ID laws.
The fact of the matter is that a significant portion of the democratic voting population (40-66% range) were turned away because their party magically changed to independent. As you see in the video, it wasn't just a fluke where one box was checked by a glitch. The new form had the same signature as the previous one. I call bullshit that this wasn't intentional in some form or another.
It doesn't matter who is at fault, because all Americans are losing here. It doesn't matter who benefited from it really, because it just shows the voting system is meaningless. There needs to be an investigation, a recount, and likely an entire do-over of the primary. Who knows how many of those provisional ballot found their way into the trash
[QUOTE=Cows Rule;49994908]And because it's easier to to pool phone # tallies why aren't we doing that, or at least making it an option? I think our voting systems are way behind the times.[/QUOTE]
Because you cant confirm (at a minimum) the age of someone voting via phone number.
Any word about an investigation or a redo?
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;49995581]Any word about an investigation or a redo?[/QUOTE]
It's probably not going to happen, accept Bernie's 18 delegate 'win' from the 22nd.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;49995688]It's probably not going to happen, accept Bernie's 18 delegate 'win' from the 22nd.[/QUOTE]
That's not something I can accept when people were denied their right to vote.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;49995688]It's probably not going to happen, accept Bernie's 18 delegate 'win' from the 22nd.[/QUOTE]
It's not about Sanders, all democratic voters were affected by this. It's about democracy.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;49995747]That's not something I can accept when people were denied their right to vote.[/QUOTE]
I agree [I]if[/I] there was conclusive proof of people being wrongfully denied their right to vote, so far it looks like a lot of people simply registered as the wrong affiliation (Indiependant) and were unable to vote in the democratic primary.
I'm saying that nothing is probably going to happen, and that we're going to need to accept the outcome.
We'll see what happens in the next couple weeks once the provisional ballots are sorted.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;49995980]I agree [I]if[/I] there was conclusive proof of people being wrongfully denied their right to vote, so far it looks like a lot of people simply registered as the wrong affiliation (Indiependant) and were unable to vote in the democratic primary.
I'm saying that nothing is probably going to happen, and that we're going to need to accept the outcome.
We'll see what happens in the next couple weeks once the provisional ballots are sorted.[/QUOTE]
i thought there were cases of card-carrying democrats being told they were republican/independant/no party?
[QUOTE=glitchvid;49992661]Video of the lines we had in Utah.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwRcJXVL6oE[/media][/QUOTE]
Jesus christ how are we in 2016 and still maintain a system this fuckin unacceptable? A 10 minute walk with no line, I don't think I could stomach standing around if I was as far back as some of those people were. They'd be standing around for several hours with that line.
Makes me all the more curious how massive the election day lines are going to look. The voter turnout for just the national primaries has close to doubled for a majority of the states.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;49995980]I agree [I]if[/I] there was conclusive proof of people being wrongfully denied their right to vote, [B]so far it looks like a lot of people simply registered as the wrong affiliation (Indiependant) and were unable to vote in the democratic primary.[/B]
I'm saying that nothing is probably going to happen, and that we're going to need to accept the outcome.
[B]We'll see what happens in the next couple weeks once the provisional ballots are sorted.[/B][/QUOTE]
[url]http://usuncut.com/politics/5-examples-voter-suppression-arizona-primary/[/url]
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[QUOTE=Missy<3;49996034]i thought there were cases of card-carrying democrats being told they were republican/independent/no party?[/QUOTE]
There were, at least from what I've seen claimed. It's terrible that people who changed party affiliation were told they weren't registered Democrat, but you could blame bureaucratic incompetence for failing to switch you properly in time. But it's a bit suspect that registered Democrats are suddenly being told they're not Democrats and cannot cast a vote. What's most suspect is the exit polls were in favor of Bernie, but the final tally was much in favour of Clinton, that combined with the odd happenings is cause for alarm.
no matter who you support, these people were denied their right to vote. that is not acceptable no matter what. there's some serious shady shit going on and NO ONE should accept that, even if you hate Bernie
Arizonian here:
Shit is [b]still[/b] fucked up. People online are circulating petitions demanding a revote, or at the very least a recount. This all goes back to our previous Governor (Brewer), and their hacking down of the number of polling locations.
People are [b]fucking pissed[/b].
[QUOTE=ewitwins;49996157]Arizonian here:
Shit is [b]still[/b] fucked up. People online are circulating petitions demanding a revote, or at the very least a recount. This all goes back to our previous Governor (Brewer), and their hacking down of the number of polling locations.
People are [b]fucking pissed[/b].[/QUOTE]
I actually recently saw [URL="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/investigate-voter-fraud-and-voter-suppression-arizona-3222016-democratic-party"]this petition[/URL] crop up on my Facebook feed earlier. It's gained a pretty substantial amount of votes in like a day and a half, it's only sitting at about ~18,700 away from a mandatory White House response.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/yEdLkxz.png[/t]
[QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;49996217]I actually recently saw [URL="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/investigate-voter-fraud-and-voter-suppression-arizona-3222016-democratic-party"]this petition[/URL] crop up on my Facebook feed earlier. It's gained a pretty substantial amount of votes in like a day and a half, it's only sitting at about ~18,700 away from a mandatory White House response.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/yEdLkxz.png[/t][/QUOTE]
Got another thousand votes since the half hour ago you posted this.
Can't wait for it to get to 100k
[QUOTE=EcksDee;49996303]Got another thousand votes since the half hour ago you posted this.
Can't wait for it to get to 100k[/QUOTE]
And do nothing.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49996331]And do nothing.[/QUOTE]
No need to be a pessimist.
At the very least, it'll force at least some acknowledgement of public anger at the handling of the caucuses from the White House. A response to the handling of this shouldn't have to go through petition in the first place, but the petition may be enough to spark an investigation of some form. The only sure fire way to have nothing happen is to do nothing at all and stay quiet about it.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49996331]And do nothing.[/QUOTE]
I'd rather have that 0.1% chance than a 0% one thanks. Have you signed it?
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