WIKILEAKS: Surveillance Cameras Around The Country Are Being Used In A Huge Spy Network - Polidicks

[QUOTE=scout1;37204211] The corporations do not control the government. Get off your conspiracy wagon and look at the facts.[/QUOTE] They do not control but they can influence and if you're naive enough to think a corporation hasn't bought or tried to buy influence from a member of the government on any level of authority you need your head looking at.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;37203949]I'd suggest a riot but knowing Americans your riots suck, England does the best riots and so does Australia.[/QUOTE] fuck you, Chile destroys the whole goddamn city like twice everytime we make a riot, and we make them like evrydaybitdgvc

[QUOTE=Wootman;37203955][B]If it's not in my house why should I care?[/B] This helps officers act upon any potential threats quicker.[/QUOTE] If this is how americans reason I'm not in the least surprised that the US government have been able to strip away rights piece by piece throughout the years.

[QUOTE=Source;37204344]They do not control but they can influence and if you're naive enough to think a corporation hasn't bought or tried to buy influence from a member of the government on any level of authority you need your head looking at.[/QUOTE] Yeah they have lobbies and on a good day they control a small fraction of one third of the branches of the government, meaning they are overruled in every way except for small concessions they may gain in the course of things. I'm not saying no government official has ever been corrupt, but people seem to think there's a gathering of CEOs every other week where they decide how the government is going to fuck us over for the next bit of time.

[QUOTE=demoguy08;37204415]If this is how americans reason I'm not in the least surprised that the US government have been able to strip away rights piece by piece throughout the years.[/QUOTE] I didn't know the increasing number of states that allow gay marriage means our rights have been taken away. I didn't know that placing linked security cameras at high-risk locations means our rights are being taken away. The U.S. may not be the pinnacle of freedom like some people claim it is, but there is not one country that is.

[QUOTE=demoguy08;37204415]If this is how americans reason I'm not in the least surprised that the US government have been able to strip away rights piece by piece throughout the years.[/QUOTE] You don't have a right to privacy in a public place. Rights are as strong as ever. Please stop commenting on our domestic policy from outside the borders. It makes you look silly.

Why not keep the arguments about how this system is bad rather than arguing about how the U.S. is an "awful country that's the worst of the worst."

Ok sorry bubs but "If it's not in my house why should I care?" is the most retarded, socially inept statement I've read in a long time

[QUOTE=demoguy08;37204512]Ok sorry bubs but "If it's not in my house why should I care?" is the most retarded, socially inept statement I've read in a long time[/QUOTE] How so? Last time I checked, most, if not all countries, allow people to set up cameras in their business and most countries have cameras set up at public locations like parks, street corners, and intersections. How is that socially inept?

Because it denotes complete apathy towards what happens on the street outside i.e. the country and its people. It denotes complete disregard for any eventual violations of rights and unconditional acceptance of some arbitrary justification for implementing this thing (terrorism is bad so we're gonna monitor you some more)

[QUOTE=demoguy08;37204711]Because it denotes complete apathy towards what happens on the street outside i.e. the country and its people. It denotes complete disregard for any eventual violations of rights and unconditional acceptance of some arbitrary justification for implementing this thing (terrorism is bad so we're gonna monitor you some more)[/QUOTE] Except being monitored in a public location doesn't violate any rights. Like I said, there is not such thing as "right to privacy in a public location." That's like saying having security cameras in public places and in private businesses takes away your freedom because they are invading your privacy. This is no different than the current systems installed in most other countries, and what's already implemented in the U.S. Based on the emails, it seems the system is making progress, so I would say that is justification in and of itself, especially when no privacy is being invaded to do so. While I agree that his statement is vague, I think the point he is trying to make is that as long as none of his real privacy is being invaded, he doesn't care if he's being monitored in a public location. (heads up, most businesses already do that)

[QUOTE=demoguy08;37204415]If this is how americans reason I'm not in the least surprised that the US government have been able to strip away rights piece by piece throughout the years.[/QUOTE] Doesn't London have one of the largest security camera networks in the world? Significantly larger than the proposed trapwire system being discussed? It seems that if allowing security cameras to be set up in public places is an indicator of the loss of rights, England is ahead of the US.

I don't mind cameras in public. I actually support the idea. If something happens, it's better if it's caught on camera than not. I don't see how this is a big deal.

I've said it in the other thread and I'll say it here. If you truly believe this is the end of your "freedom" then I invite you to enjoy going to a country with no freedoms and then enjoy the freedom you have. Putting a camera at a busy intersection in the middile of LA is not the end of the world. Besides what would you have to hide in the middile of public. There's not some random guy in a booth 24/7 just watching all the cameras.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;37204555]How so? Last time I checked, most, if not all countries, allow people to set up cameras in their business and most countries have cameras set up at public locations like parks, street corners, and intersections. How is that socially inept?[/QUOTE] Its just a terrible outlook, in this case I kinda agree. I have nothing wrong with cameras being put in public places etc but to just blindly say its not in my house so why should I care is a terrible attitude to take to things. People should care and take interest in what happens outside their house / town / city / country. [editline]13th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=froztshock;37204946]Doesn't London have one of the largest security camera networks in the world? Significantly larger than the proposed trapwire system being discussed? It seems that if allowing security cameras to be set up in public places is an indicator of the loss of rights, England is ahead of the US.[/QUOTE] For some reason a lot of people think that the UK has no freedom because of the number of cameras. I really don't get it, as long as they are not in places that probe into peoples private lives they aren't [I]that[/I] much of an issue. Not to mention they help to stop / solve crime on a daily basis.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;37203949]I'd suggest a riot but knowing Americans your riots suck, England does the best riots and so does Australia.[/QUOTE] Bugger off, we French are masters at rioting and protesting.

When you pull it all together, then it gets scary: All cams sending image electronically are monitored, not just these surveillance cams. Cellphone/laptop/tablet cams and mics are monitored secretly unless you pull the battery. All purchases are fed into the same database, cross referenced with above cams. License plates of vehicles are recorded by various cams(police cars and so on). Your GPS device locations are all monitored, all the time. All electronic communications, from wherever to wherever, are monitored. DNA has been gathered on everyone Before you wake up in the morning, they already know what you're going to have for breakfast, or if you even eat breakfast. In fact, they probably know more about you than you know about yourself, since they have all objective data, while you are obviously going to see everything from your own personal perspective, which is biased.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;37203949]I'd suggest a riot but knowing Americans your riots suck, England does the best riots and so does Australia.[/QUOTE] No we are just peaceful enough not to turn everything into a riot.

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;37205674] Generic the government knows everything about you the end is near [/QUOTE] This is a joke right?

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;37205674] Your GPS device locations are all monitored, all the time. [/QUOTE] Please educate yourself on how GPS works. Mostly the fact that nothing other than the GPS device itself knows where it is.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;37204316]There was occupy Brisbane protest but it was stupid as fuck, we get it easy, we have good jobs, good income and have a good life, I was wondering why they wanted to even start to Occupy Australia, there's nothing wrong with us, just a bunch of hipsters jumping on the bandwagon. I'd join in if I could be fucked catching a train to Central to tell them how retarded it was but I didn't, go off do your own thing I just don't think it's working. I'm sorry.[/QUOTE] Way to miss the point of the protests.

[QUOTE=galenmarek;37205737]This is a joke right?[/QUOTE] This is a guy who thinks that traffic cameras are a conspiracy to keep you poor No, he's not joking.

ahahahaha this article [QUOTE]Anyway, here's what Trapwire is, according to Russian-state owned media network RT (apologies for citing "foreign media"... [B]if we had a free press[/B], I'd be citing something published here by an American media conglomerate):[/QUOTE] pffrbbtt Even the idea of a massive spy network like this in the U.S. is utterly insane. Does anyone have any idea how atsronomical the cost and amount of labor a total surveillance system covering a country as populated and large as the U.S. would be?

I don't get the fuss about cameras in public areas or this talk about how the world government are making some grand plan to enslave humanity or some shit. Truly a freaking first world problem. You want to see lack of freedom? Go visit China or North Korea. I was taken into a fucking interrogation booth and had all my details written down and registered into a computer for having just [B]one[/B] "forbidden" magazine, okay? That is called lack of freedom, not this camera network crap.

[quote]DNA has been gathered on everyone[/quote] You know DNA registry/tests are expensive, time consuming, and requires you to actually, you know do it? Someone swabbing the insides of my mouth would be pretty noticeable I would think. Unless they got my DNA through my blood or something whenever they took my blood, no hospital is safe!! You know what I'd deconstruct your other points but that would be a waste of both our time.

[QUOTE=Atlascore;37203898]There's nothing on their twitter about this.[/QUOTE] i'm sorry that you have a literal inability to read apparently

The only thing I'm scared about regarding security cameras in public locations is how fat I probably look on them.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;37203949]I'd suggest a riot but knowing Americans your riots suck, England does the best riots and so does Australia.[/QUOTE] Yeah, you guys sure showed the man when you rioted around in London not too long ago. [img]http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/london_riots/bp13.jpg[/img] [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_memw1KQIBDs/TO8RL2Nw-xI/AAAAAAAAD1Q/ZQYSJNUYuq0/s1600/Protestors-clash-with-mou-001.jpg[/img] [img]http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/8/9/1312878560189/UK-riots-Looters-run-from-007.jpg[/img] [img]http://londonriots.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/London-Riots-2011-war-zone.jpg[/img] Look at all of those rioters. Their actions sure made the government listen, huh?

Wow what the shit why is everyone stealing shit in those photos black?

[QUOTE=DireAvenger;37207047]Wow what the shit why is everyone stealing shit in those photos black?[/QUOTE] Probably just a group of friends...?