Seizures of cash from Americans fuel police spending nationwide - Polidicks

Over here people say the cops have to reach a qouta for fines but this sounds way worse.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;46214009]Departments get these for very little, if not free, from the military. Which is cheaper for the Military because it costs money to get rid of them when they're no longer needed or wanted, and obviously cheaper for the department. And some departments will probably need these, if you recall riots, and North Hollywood in the past[/QUOTE] Why not sell them to allied countries with less military gear?

[QUOTE=Medevila;46215623]since you're posting on FP there's a high probability you're a white, middle class male you have nothing to worry about being stopped by police as a white, middle class male[/QUOTE] All of the victims in the video Cubeman posted were white and middle class.

[QUOTE=CubeManv2;46211923] There is also the fact some of this money involved is rightfully seized, and there is money that isn't. The fact i could be carry 1-2k cash in my car and if a police officer sees it he has every right to seize it and i have to prove what i'm doing with my cash. [/QUOTE] there's no reason why cops should be allowed seize assets on your person with the smallest hint of suspicion. the burden of proof should fall on the cops not on you, the very basis of american law is innocent [B]until[/B] proven guilty, here they've turned anyone carrying cash into a suspected criminal

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;46212019]Number of police rise, crime drops. Crime drops, less drug money in. But number of cops are the same due to the rise. Where do you find the money?[/QUOTE] From where you have always found the money: Drugs. If we find X amount of drugs in the vehicle we can seize the vehicle (if its worth it) -- Then we can do whatever we want with it. Most of the time we sell it back to the dude we seized it from. However, its rare that anyone have the amount required to seize the vehicle. I'm still going to find it [I]very[/I] suspicious if you are carrying more than $3,000 with you in means other than bank envelopes/checks. Doesnt mean you seize it, just means I gotta see if theres something more to your story. If you carry any amount of large sums of cash with you and you get caught with drugs, expect it to be seized. [editline]12th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Sableye;46216011]there's no reason why cops should be allowed seize assets on your person with the smallest hint of suspicion. the burden of proof should fall on the cops not on you, the very basis of american law is innocent [B]until[/B] proven guilty, here they've turned anyone carrying cash into a suspected criminal[/QUOTE] Thats why you need a [B]preponderance[/B] of evidence. Not suspicion. HUGE differences between the two. I'm sure there are departments that abuse this whole thing, but its not common. At all.

[QUOTE=Medevila;46215623]since you're posting on FP there's a high probability you're a white, middle class male you have nothing to worry about being stopped by police as a white, middle class male[/QUOTE] I actually had my house hit by a police raid, about six months ago, and I'm white and middle class. Of course I treated them with respect and they treated me with respect but they busted in my door when it was unlocked and beat the suspect they were looking for, that's why I worry about them, because I wouldn't want to be on the recieving end of that ire. I mean it changes your prospective on police when they're aiming a gun at your head, telling you not to move or they'll "fucking kill you." And I was detained in that situation for over an hour, without being charged with anything. Only after they questioned me, was I released from custody. I still have pictures of their warrant.

[QUOTE=CubeManv2;46211923]The article is trying to be even, Certain city police forces are using the money for good, Putting it back into the community. At the sametime certain forces are using them for their own benefit such as begging the city for more money in their budget, then using the money they seize as fluff to their budget on payroll. Or buying personal items for officers or items that are just silly to have in a police force. There is also the fact some of this money involved is rightfully seized, and there is money that isn't. The fact i could be carry 1-2k cash in my car and if a police officer sees it he has every right to seize it and i have to prove what i'm doing with my cash. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kEpZWGgJks[/media][/QUOTE] Don't...just don't post these as evidence. This is akin to using VICE field reports as statistical numbers and to debate policy changes and crap. They're oversimplified, usually wrong slide shows to make people laugh and and or get their attention. They're funny up until you actually see the research and then realize just how wrong they are.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;46214120]Why not sell them to allied countries with less military gear?[/QUOTE] Well, they kind of did. :v: Our motorized units replaced a major bulk of their assets with vehicles such as MRAPs. The Americans just built so many of them they've got plenty to spare for everyone involved.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;46214009]Departments get these for very little, if not free, from the military. Which is cheaper for the Military because it costs money to get rid of them when they're no longer needed or wanted, and obviously cheaper for the department. And some departments will probably need these, if you recall riots, and North Hollywood in the past[/QUOTE] My town's PD has one of these. The most major crime I can think of in recent memory is somebody stole the F-16 statue from the local high-school. [editline]12th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=CubeManv2;46211923]The article is trying to be even, Certain city police forces are using the money for good, Putting it back into the community. At the sametime certain forces are using them for their own benefit such as begging the city for more money in their budget, then using the money they seize as fluff to their budget on payroll. Or buying personal items for officers or items that are just silly to have in a police force. There is also the fact some of this money involved is rightfully seized, and there is money that isn't. The fact i could be carry 1-2k cash in my car and if a police officer sees it he has every right to seize it and i have to prove what i'm doing with my cash.[/QUOTE] Just like they had every right to seize your Googleglass, right?

[QUOTE=CheeseMan;46212794]Can I just remind you guys that the US are now using the same strain of vehicle that once patrolled townships during apartheid in South Africa? [img]http://c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000Nm1ujhbhewk/s[/img][/QUOTE] wake up sheeple !

Bumping with the numbers I found: $2.5 Billion dollars seized in 61,998 cases across the country (does not include assets). 50% of those seizures were for under $8,000. Being generous and giving them the full $8,000 per stop. That's $247,992,000 seized. That other 50% equals $2,252,008,000. So 30,999 stops resulted in roughly $2.2 Billion dollars seized. $2,252,008,000 divided by 30,999 is $72,647 per stop. Would you agree that carrying (on average) $72k in cash is a bit suspicious?

[QUOTE=Code3Response;46264758]Bumping with the numbers I found: $2.5 Billion dollars seized in 61,998 cases across the country (does not include assets). 50% of those seizures were for under $8,000. Being generous and giving them the full $8,000 per stop. That's $247,992,000 seized. That other 50% equals $2,252,008,000. So 30,999 stops resulted in roughly $2.2 Billion dollars seized. $2,252,008,000 divided by 30,999 is $72,647 per stop. Would you agree that carrying (on average) $72k in cash is a bit suspicious?[/QUOTE] No, it doesn't. Why would it be?

[QUOTE=CheeseMan;46212794]Can I just remind you guys that the US are now using the same strain of vehicle that once patrolled townships during apartheid in South Africa? [img]http://c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000Nm1ujhbhewk/s[/img][/QUOTE] If you went to downtown Rockford, you'd ask for one of these as an escort.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;46264784]No, it doesn't. Why would it be?[/QUOTE] Because everyday people dont have $72,000 in [I]cash[/I] laying around. Lets say you do have $72k that you want to move around, but dont want to pay a bank account directly. I'd say that a reasonable person would not carry that $72k as cash. They would choose an alternate, safer way of carrying it (such as a check). If they dont carry it as cash, then they also dont have to report the sale via IRS form 8300.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;46264784]No, it doesn't. Why would it be?[/QUOTE] really? You really don't think carrying almost 100,000 in cash on you is suspicious?

Suddenly carrying money is suspicion of a crime now? What?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;46267366]Suddenly carrying money is suspicion of a crime now? What?[/QUOTE] No, carrying copious amounts of [I]CASH[/I] is suspicion. I never said crime. I dont know how you're trying to spin this, but its not working. If you're carrying around in cash more than I make a year (before taxes + expenses), I'm going to be very suspicious

[QUOTE=Code3Response;46268436]No, carrying copious amounts of [I]CASH[/I] is suspicion. I never said crime. I dont know how you're trying to spin this, but its not working. If you're carrying around in cash more than I make a year (before taxes + expenses), I'm going to be very suspicious[/QUOTE] Suspicious and then take the cash from them?