• Helicopter lost in Bin Laden raid was a secret stealth model
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[QUOTE=archangel125;29630014]But the wreckage is not part of an Apache helicopter, that much is clear.[/QUOTE] If it's a new helicopter he is most likely involved with it, he was a gunner in vietnam so when he came back he was like 'fuck that shit ima make a helo that requires no gunner' and thus, the apache was born. Dudes told me some fucked up things that would totally change your opinion on the war in Iraq.
MW3 is now going to have a stealth chopper gunner.
I translated a dutch reaction on these pictures from a news website: [quote]And in such a small helicopter there is also room for 5 men with their equipment, extra guns, plus extra space for any dead bodies. Crazy[/quote] That's only the tail of the helicopter, dude. :v:
[QUOTE=bluesky;29630036]If it's a new helicopter he is most likely involved with it, he was a gunner in vietnam so when he came back he was like 'fuck that shit ima make a helo that requires no gunner' and thus, the apache was born. Dudes told me some fucked up things that would totally change your opinion on the war in Iraq.[/QUOTE] The war in Iraq was a mistake and the administration should be held accountable, regardless of their culture, but I should hear what you have to say anyway.
Looks like the Comanche. Cool
Reminds me of the article where soldiers can't find a tank after painting it camouflage.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;29625502]I think if they were that important the US would have got the wreckage out fast.[/QUOTE] I think they did, some of the first photos I saw on the news after hearing the news was pictures of it being taken away. [QUOTE=CabooseRvB;29626089]From my conceptual military armchair general point of view. Shouldn't transport choppers be more focused on protection from small-arms fire and AAA weaponry as opposed to stealth? I mean those things fly very low. It wouldn't matter much to a group to determine where the chopper would be coming but it would just be a matter of time of how quickly they can pivot their AAA weapons or their bodies when they can visually see and aim at the helicopter itself.[/QUOTE] Assuming the helicopter was "owned" by the people who did it then its not really a transport chopper in the truest sense. I would guess that getting in and out without being seen is more important for them.
[QUOTE=bluesky;29630036]If it's a new helicopter he is most likely involved with it, he was a gunner in vietnam so when he came back he was like 'fuck that shit ima make a helo that requires no gunner' and thus, the apache was born. Dudes told me some fucked up things that would totally change your opinion on the war in Iraq.[/QUOTE] You're a idiot.
coulda used one of those when I was pointcapping back in battlefield 2
[QUOTE=GunFox;29625749]Helicopter sound mechanics work oddly. For the most part, with helicopters, the goal is to make it difficult to determine the direction the helicopter is coming from and to maintain a low altitude in order to ensure that the sound isn't heard until the helicopter is almost right on top of you. Directionally speaking, if a helicopter has more than 5 blades on the main rotor, it does something odd to the acoustics and makes it extremely difficult to determine the direction the sound is coming from. Judging by the large number of blades on the tail rotor here, it can be assumed that the main has at least five, if not six, blades. Ideally though, a ducted tail fan would be used in place of the standard tail rotor design. The sound a helicopter makes comes from the rotor wash of the main rotor colliding with that of the tail rotor. It literally chops the wash of the tail in two producing the oddly accurate nickname of "chopper". Old models of UH-1 Iroquois (AKA Hueys) used two blades on the main rotor and produced a really distinct thump thump thump sound as a result. This is where the nickname likely originated. Having a ducted fan mitigates this problem by projecting the tail rotor wash away from the wash of the main rotor. The RAH-66 was intended to be borderline stealth and used the tail fan to great effect: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0R1ISQAmqk[/url] If you can ignore the cheesy voiceover, the sound of the helicopter is very different from your normal helicopter. Another way to achieve this is to use a coaxial rotor system that we see on Russian gunships. Instead of a tail rotor providing counter torque to the main, you have a second rotor placed above the main rotor that spins in the opposite direction. Mechanically speaking the system is more complicated, but you make significant performance gains. The Ka-50 Black shark is virtually unbeatable in agility and can carry significantly more payload than a helicopter its size otherwise would be able to due to all engine power being used for lift AND counter torque instead of a portion only being used for counter torque. The helicopter rotates so fast that the cannon isn't placed on a swivel mount like on other Gunships, because the helicopter would out-rotate most swivel mounts anyways. An interesting side note is that Metal Gear solid 4 actually did exactly that. It made stealth blackhawks with coaxial-rotors. From a science fiction standpoint, they did an outstanding job with the helicopter design. [url]http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/3440/830pxushelicopter.png[/url][/QUOTE] Can you explain to me why some helicopters have rotors that bend a little at the end?
[QUOTE=xeonmuffin;29631175]Can you explain to me why some helicopters have rotors that bend a little at the end?[/QUOTE] probably to minimise wingtip vortices
[QUOTE=xeonmuffin;29631175]Can you explain to me why some helicopters have rotors that bend a little at the end?[/QUOTE] This video explains it somewhat [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t3uCDJhce8[/media]
I watched the same article in the news yesterday night, and the reporter mentioned that parts of the wreckage has been taken by Pakistani officials. He also said that the parts will most likely be shipped to China, close allies to Pakistan, who are in the process of creating stealth copters.
The seals also used heavily armoured bulletproof Stealth dogs: [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/TheWhiteLion777/BelgianMalinois_Stealth.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;29626089]From my conceptual military armchair general point of view. Shouldn't transport choppers be more focused on protection from small-arms fire and AAA weaponry as opposed to stealth? I mean those things fly very low. It wouldn't matter much to a group to determine where the chopper would be coming but it would just be a matter of time of how quickly they can pivot their AAA weapons or their bodies when they can visually see and aim at the helicopter itself.[/QUOTE] Quite the opposite. Truthfully it's nearly impossible to protect a helicopter, They're vulnerable to almost everything, particularly enemy fast-air. The best defence would be to develop ways to stay undetected until the last possible second.
[QUOTE=bluesky;29630036]If it's a new helicopter he is most likely involved with it, he was a gunner in vietnam so when he came back he was like 'fuck that shit ima make a helo that requires no gunner' and thus, the apache was born. Dudes told me some fucked up things that would totally change your opinion on the war in Iraq.[/QUOTE] Apaches have two man crews. Pilot and gunner.
[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;29632891]Apaches have two man crews. Pilot and gunner.[/QUOTE] No shit, the gunner doesn't hang out of the side door like the old hueys though.
[QUOTE=Killoch0;29632640]Quite the opposite. Truthfully it's nearly impossible to protect a helicopter, They're vulnerable to almost everything, particularly enemy fast-air. The best defence would be to develop ways to stay undetected until the last possible second.[/QUOTE] Well the russians did fairly well with the protection on Mi-24 [editline]5th May 2011[/editline] Well okay, surviving a light-anti-air missile by sacrifising the transport compartment isn't the best way, but still.
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;29633316]No shit, the gunner doesn't hang out of the side door like the old hueys though.[/QUOTE] We also used Cobras in Vietnam too. Which also had a tandem seating setup with a gunner in front.
[QUOTE=OvB;29634649]We also used Cobras in Vietnam too. Which also had a tandem seating setup with a gunner in front.[/QUOTE] My uncle was in a huey though.
Sounds like something that'd happen in a video game. "HEY GUYS LETS USE THIS SUPER SECRET CUTTING EDGE ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY FOR THIS MISSION" Five minutes into the mission: "UH OH IT BROKE"
[QUOTE=FloaterTWO;29634779]Sounds like something that'd happen in a video game. "HEY GUYS LETS USE THIS SUPER SECRET CUTTING EDGE ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY FOR THIS MISSION" Five minutes into the mission: "UH OH IT BROKE"[/QUOTE] who would want to tell their grandchildren about when they killed bin laden, "Oh, we went inside, shot everyone, and left". No. Our fucking ride crash-landed, we all piled out, fucked shit up, and before we left we made sure NO ONE was getting the technology of our secret helicopterso we rigged it with explosives and watched the fireworks from the other helo with our sunglasses on at night
[QUOTE=daijitsu;29634961]who would want to tell their grandchildren about when they killed bin laden, "Oh, we went inside, shot everyone, and left". No. Our fucking ride crash-landed, we all piled out, fucked shit up, and before we left we made sure NO ONE was getting the technology of our secret helicopterso we rigged it with explosives and watched the fireworks from the other helo with our sunglasses on at night[/QUOTE] And they walked away from the explosion and not one of them turned to look at it.
[QUOTE=archangel125;29634996]And they walked away from the explosion and not one of them turned to look at it.[/QUOTE] Probably would have helped if they didn't, what with the tail rotor still being in one piece.
[QUOTE=xeonmuffin;29631175]Can you explain to me why some helicopters have rotors that bend a little at the end?[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBS1NRsYuF8&feature=player_embedded[/media]
[img_thumb]http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2011/05/RTR2LZQ11-660x451.jpg[/img_thumb] I kept thinking this was the actual helicopter. It's just the back rotor isn't it? Aww.
[QUOTE=PX1K;29636510][img_thumb]http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2011/05/RTR2LZQ11-660x451.jpg[/img_thumb] I kept thinking this was the actual helicopter. It's just the back rotor isn't it? Aww.[/QUOTE] Looks much larger than the tail boom of a black hawk for some reason.. I mean, the chopper musta been huge.
[QUOTE=archangel125;29636528]Looks much larger than the tail boom of a black hawk for some reason.. I mean, the chopper musta been huge.[/QUOTE] Blackhawks are remarkably large helicopters.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;29625560]They blew it up after it crashed. (they do this with any equipment that they can't recover, to prevent it from being captured or reverse-engineered)[/QUOTE] This. They torched the helicopter as it was having problems taking off, and as Someguy said, they didn't want it to be recovered by enemies.
[QUOTE=GunFox;29636651]Blackhawks are remarkably large helicopters.[/QUOTE] Mi-24's are larger in everything but length
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