Helicopter lost in Bin Laden raid was a secret stealth model
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I don't think there is very much to be learned from the wreckage. Its not like stealth tech is a highly regarded secret anymore.
It sounds like this uses the older style that the F-117 did and China "claims" they have a more advanced stealth technique on there new experimental fighter.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];29641786']Your right that I am a kinda impulsive person, but they will hate us anyway. Aside from adopting complete shariah law, nothing will stop the radicals, and the larger population in the middle east probably just wants peace.
[editline]5th May 2011[/editline]
thats why I say blow it up.[/QUOTE]
Pakistan is a tentative ally of the USA. Aside from the radar-absorbant skin of the aircraft, there really won't be much for anyone to learn from the wreckage - the explosives did a fantastic job. You're proposing that we bomb an ally's country, risking civilian and military casualties, and destroying government property, risking damaging diplomatic relations not just with Pakistan, but also with China and the whole Middle East, just to get rid of a twisted piece of trash that's been blown to hell?
Bet anything you're under eighteen.
[QUOTE=archangel125;29641875]Pakistan is a tentative ally of the USA. Aside from the radar-absorbant skin of the aircraft, there really won't be much for anyone to learn from the wreckage - the explosives did a fantastic job. You're proposing that we bomb an ally's country, risking civilian and military casualties, and destroying government property, risking damaging diplomatic relations not just with Pakistan, but also with China and the whole Middle East, just to get rid of a twisted piece of trash that's been blown to hell?
Bet anything you're under eighteen.[/QUOTE]
How would we risk relations with china anyway? They might not get a Helicopter piece.
How do we even know what that back end contains?
And honestly, aside from there nuclear weapons, once we are out of Afganistan why do we care what Pakistan thinks of the USA?
Plus the threat of losing foreign would probably work aswell.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];29641997']How would we risk relations with china anyway? They might not get a Helicopter piece.
How do we even know what that back end contains?
And honestly, aside from there nuclear weapons, once we are out of Afganistan why do we care what Pakistan thinks of the USA?
Plus the threat of losing foreign would probably work aswell.[/QUOTE]
How old are you, Sluggo? To anyone who understands global politics, sociology and the science of conflict, the answer is clear. Trust me, it'd be a very bad idea, and the detailed explanation would take up several pages. Suffice to say that if the tail boom was so precious, they'd have blown that up too before they withdrew. And that attacks on any other Muslim nations will have the effect of destabilizing the entire Middle-East - and making all those countries sworn enemies of the USA.
Pakistan can't continue to treat the USA like crap if they want to remain allies.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];29642099']Pakistan can't continue to treat the USA like crap if they want to remain allies.[/QUOTE]
The USA and Pakistan are being very cordial with each other - that is, not openly hostile, but they have a sort of working relationship. The USA knows they're being lied to. The CIA knows who in the Pakistani government is working with the Taliban/Al Qaeda, and who isn't. The Pakistani intelligence service most likely knows that they know. Right now, because of the war in Afghanistan, Pakistan is useful to the USA - so we get information and a little muscle in their own country from some of them, and in return we send them money. Once the two countries are no longer useful to each other, then the USA and Pakistan will simply go their separate ways and agree to disagree.
[QUOTE=archangel125;29642086]And that attacks on any other Muslim nations will have the effect of destabilizing the entire Middle-East - and making all those countries sworn enemies of the USA.[/QUOTE]
Aslong as they don't attack us, Who Cares? The only problem would be nuclear weapons, and thats something no one could answere. My opinion is withdraw almost all troops and keep it to operations like the capture of Bin Laden. Our footprint would be less heavy and we would be less hated, if we were attacked bomb or kill whoever attacked us then get out again.
We could focus more on security at home and try to prevent attacks.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];29642204']Aslong as they don't attack us, Who Cares? The only problem would be nuclear weapons, and thats something no one could answere. My opinion is withdraw almost all troops and keep it to operations like the capture of Bin Laden. Our footprint would be less heavy and we would be less hated, if we were attacked bomb or kill whoever attacked us then get out again.
We could focus more on security at home and try to prevent attacks.[/QUOTE]
There WOULD be more terrorist attacks on the USA. That I guarantee.
I'd say about a month ago, there were helicopters flying really low around here where I live, this usually never happens around here. It happened a few times at around the same time of the night 10 or 11.
Today, I was having a chat with my friend's grandparents about Osama. They mentioned the new stealth helicopters and how they were being tested in the area, I'm not sure if it is true. It is strange however, that a month or so before Osama is killed, we had choppers flying around here at low altitudes when it never happens in this area.
[QUOTE=itchyflakes;29642236]I'd say about a month ago, there were helicopters flying really low around here where I live, this usually never happens around here. It happened a few times at around the same time of the night 10 or 11.
Today, I was having a chat with my friend's grandparents about Osama. They mentioned the new stealth helicopters and how they were being tested in the area, I'm not sure if it is true. It is strange however, that a month or so before Osama is killed, we had choppers flying around here at low altitudes when it never happens in this area.[/QUOTE]
That depends on where you are. If there's an AFB nearby, it's somewhat likely.
[QUOTE=archangel125;29642217]There WOULD be more terrorist attacks on the USA. That I guarantee.[/QUOTE]
Before we got involved in the middle east at all, there were no terrorist attacks. There was nothing really 1776-1980. After 20 years of being uninvolved it would die down and terrorist organisations, no longer with so much anti-american propaganda to use as a recruiting tool.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];29642297']Before we got involved in the middle east at all, there were no terrorist attacks. There was nothing really 1776-1980. After 20 years of being uninvolved it would die down and terrorist organisations, no longer with so much anti-american propaganda to use as a recruiting tool.[/QUOTE]
So your solution is to bomb an allied middle-eastern country, risk starting the third world war, and risk dozens if not hundreds more Islamic terrorist attacks on American soil to destroy the tail boom of a stealth helicopter.
Brilliant.
At the very least, the campaign in Afghanistan would be lost instantly.
[QUOTE=archangel125;29642333]So your solution is to bomb an allied middle-eastern country, risk starting the third world war, and risk dozens if not hundreds more Islamic terrorist attacks on American soil to destroy the tail boom of a stealth helicopter.
Brilliant.
At the very least, the campaign in Afghanistan would be lost instantly.[/QUOTE]
Is Pakistan really an allie? I think not. For the last 10 years the ISI has been consistently working against the USA, look at what they are doing now.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];29642384']Is Pakistan really an allie? I think not. For the last 10 years the ISI has been consistently working against the USA, look at what they are doing now.[/QUOTE]
They're 'officially' an ally. Also, you completely ignored the other consequences.
Now answer my question. How old are you?
[QUOTE=archangel125;29642260]That depends on where you are. If there's an AFB nearby, it's somewhat likely.[/QUOTE]
There is one about 3 hours from here.
Also, this [url]http://www.mybaseguide.com/article/air-force/mcchord-afb/1172/Welcome[/url]
[QUOTE=itchyflakes;29642407]There is one about 3 hours from here.
Also, this [url]http://www.mybaseguide.com/article/air-force/mcchord-afb/698/Yakima-Training-Center[/url][/QUOTE]
Don't know if they'd risk testing those choppers where the public could possibly photograph them, but it is a possibility - And they're probably going to go public with them soon anyway.
[QUOTE=archangel125;29642447]Don't know if they'd risk testing those choppers where the public could possibly photograph them, but it is a possibility - And they're probably going to go public with them soon anyway.[/QUOTE]
Posted wrong link in my last post. Updated it to the right one.
True, but this happened at night. You would go out and look for the chopper but you couldn't see anything in the sky. No lights, and it sounded really low as if it were about to land.
[QUOTE=archangel125;29642404]They're 'officially' an ally. Also, you completely ignored the other consequences.
Now answer my question. How old are you?[/QUOTE]
To your question: look
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We should let the Indians do what they want to the Pakistaniis. They will defend themselves from the terrorists if they want to, we don't need to help them.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];29642533']To your question: look
[editline]5th May 2011[/editline]
We should let the Indians do what they want to the Pakistaniis. They will defend themselves from the terrorists if they want to, we don't need to help them.[/QUOTE]
If India attacks Pakistan, China will likely use the distraction to attack India. Instant WWIII, because both countries have nukes and very large forces. Both countries, therefore, are at a stalemate.
[QUOTE=archangel125;29642987]If India attacks Pakistan, China will likely use the distraction to attack India. Instant WWIII, because both countries have nukes and very large forces. Both countries, therefore, are at a stalemate.[/QUOTE]
India is far more powerful, and it is certainly not in china's interest to cause World War III. It would ruin there largly export based economy, and would permanantly damage there image beyond repair.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];29643133']India is far more powerful, and it is certainly not in china's interest to cause World War III. It would ruin there largly export based economy, and would permanantly damage there image beyond repair.[/QUOTE]
Fair point. But If India attacks Pakistan, other muslim countries will attack India. And the US doesn't want that, because then it'll be forced to pick a side. And it will side with India because it has great economic stakes in India. And then it'll be hated by the Middle East anyway.
It's a tangled web.
Well I guess it isn't so secret anymore.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];29643133']India is far more powerful, and it is certainly not in china's interest to cause World War III. It would ruin there largly export based economy, and would permanantly damage there image beyond repair.[/QUOTE]
How is India "far more powerful" than China?
[QUOTE=Swebonny;29643186]How is India "far more powerful" than China?[/QUOTE]
pakistan not china
[QUOTE='[sluggo];29643216']pakistan not china[/QUOTE]
Ah sorry, understood it wrong.
[QUOTE=archangel125;29643157]Fair point. But If India attacks Pakistan, other muslim countries will attack India. And the US doesn't want that, because then it'll be forced to pick a side. And it will side with India because it has great economic stakes in India. And then it'll be hated by the Middle East anyway.
It's a tangled web.[/QUOTE]
Your correct. It could well end up similar the conflict between Russia and Afganistan, the more guerilla warfare oriented middle east could not easily be defeated even by a huge army, it would fight back until eventualy India would withdraw and realise it couldn't control what it captured.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];29643305']Your correct. It could well end up similar the conflict between Russia and Afganistan, the more guerilla warfare oriented middle east could not easily be defeated even by a huge army, it would fight back until eventualy India would withdraw and realise it couldn't control what it captured.[/QUOTE]
The honest truth is that India doesn't really want to attack Pakistan in any case. It would much rather be left alone, but Pakistan is a major annoyance because they keep making threats/funding terrorist operations in India.
[QUOTE=archangel125;29643431]The honest truth is that India doesn't really want to attack Pakistan in any case. It would much rather be left alone, but Pakistan is a major annoyance because they keep making threats/funding terrorist operations in India.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but they would take a far harder stance than the relatively wimpy USA and likely force Pakistan back into line.
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