Helicopter lost in Bin Laden raid was a secret stealth model
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[QUOTE=Falchion;29654969]Actually, why the fuck would Pakistan warn Osama. Because their skin color is the same? :v:[/QUOTE]
Because Osama's a rich man and the government loves the money?
Last I heard, he had no money. Or that's what Pakistan is saying.
[QUOTE=archangel125;29645288]Poor argument. The USA has ruined many countries economically, and many that it could not touch economically it has ruined through wars.
Intentionally.[/QUOTE]
What other country has done the things listed above, all of them?
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[QUOTE=Falchion;29653844][img_thumb]http://www.zgeek.com/forum/gallery/files/1/5/4/7/haha_oh_wow.jpg[/img_thumb]
Grow up a bit and learn a bit more about your government and its motives.
[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0[/MEDIA] Watch this to see how trigger itchy some of those guys in there have been and how it was attempted to totally cover up.[/QUOTE]
Aside from a few things (Abu Ghraib for ecample), The United States has actualy taken action to preserve liberty.
They have, as I said before:
Won WWI and WWII
fought against authoritarian communist regimes
Removed the taliban and hussien from power
Your video is propaganda.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];29657079']What other country has done the things listed above, all of them?
[editline]6th May 2011[/editline]
Aside from a few things (Abu Ghraib for ecample), The United States has actualy taken action to preserve liberty.
They have, as I said before:
Won WWI and WWII
fought against authoritarian communist regimes
Removed the taliban and hussien from power
Your video is propaganda.[/QUOTE]While i'm not too fond of the "America is evil" crowd (at most, the US government is self-interested and incompetent, as are most), you seriously must be trolling if you think it was the US that won WW1 and WW2, as opposed to a coalition of some of the largest military powers of the time.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];29657079']What other country has done the things listed above, all of them?
[editline]6th May 2011[/editline]
Aside from a few things (Abu Ghraib for ecample), The United States has actualy taken action to preserve liberty.
They have, as I said before:
Won WWI and WWII
fought against authoritarian communist regimes
Removed the taliban and hussien from power
Your video is propaganda.[/QUOTE]
They also in the last ten years invaded a country for no reason, resulting in over a hundred thousand civilian deaths. And ensured that they could not be held responsible for it.
There's one thing you need to learn, Sluggo. All governments are selfish and greedy, and therefore are evil. Only individual people are capable of good. The difference between the West and the East is that the West pretends it's doing the right thing.
The USA doesn't lead anything, and has nothing to do with international justice or peace. They simply have the most money and the biggest guns.
[QUOTE=killover;29626461]Holy flying fuck I hope this isnt fake.[/QUOTE]
It is, that artist drawing looks nothing like what it most likely looks like.
The seal team used is notorious for using modified helicopters.
[IMG]http://aviadesign.online.fr/images/sikorsky-stealthhawk-profile.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://images.defensetech.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/silent-hawk.jpg[/IMG]
These are the 2 most probable designs and seeing as neither the pakis nor the US have said what really went down with the helicopter most the stories that go
" THEY CROSSED THE BORDER AND WHERE NOT ON RADAR THE PAKIS SCRAMBLED THE JETS"
Are most likely false.
[QUOTE=Bluesummers;29657962]It is, that artist drawing looks nothing like what it most likely looks like.
The seal team used is notorious for using modified helicopters.
[img_thumb]http://aviadesign.online.fr/images/sikorsky-stealthhawk-profile.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://images.defensetech.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/silent-hawk.jpg[/img_thumb]
These are the 2 most probable designs and seeing as neither the pakis nor the US have said what really went down with the helicopter most the stories that go
" THEY CROSSED THE BORDER AND WHERE NOT ON RADAR THE PAKIS SCRAMBLED THE JETS"
Are most likely false.[/QUOTE]
"Pakistani", if you please.
You may not know it, but "Paki" is a racial slur.
[QUOTE=archangel125;29658031]"Pakistani", if you please.
You may not know it, but "Paki" is a racial slur.[/QUOTE]
I am very sorry I did not know. Over here in southern California I have never heard it used as one before.
British slur?
Aye, the Brits have a rising pop of Pakistanis and use it as a slur.
Not that it really matters seeing as Pakistani doesn't really roll off the tongue and people using it in other nations don't intend it as a slur.
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[QUOTE='[sluggo];29657079']What other country has done the things listed above, all of them?
[editline]6th May 2011[/editline]
Aside from a few things (Abu Ghraib for ecample), The United States has actualy taken action to preserve liberty.
They have, as I said before:
Won WWI and WWII
fought against authoritarian communist regimes
Removed the taliban and hussien from power
Your video is propaganda.[/QUOTE]
Oh god, please stop.
People like you are why I can never gain any ground in certain debates. The instant I say anything that sounds remotely like shit you say, people assume that I am of a similar mindset.
[QUOTE=Bluesummers;29658167]I am very sorry I did not know. Over here in southern California I have never heard it used as one before.
British slur?[/QUOTE]
Used in Canada as well, but aye, I think it originated in Britain.
And we blew it up? Eh, knowing how the military is here they'll just build fifty more in its place.
[QUOTE=Identity;29659091]And we blew it up? Eh, knowing how the military is here they'll just build fifty more in its place.[/QUOTE]
the US government's approach to any downed vehicle or technology is All tech is classified tech.
US aircraft and vehicles when neutralized are to be destroyed by their crew or by a strike to to prevent any form of reverse engineering or possible intel leak.
Even widely used things such as a Abrams or a Chinook are handled the same way.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;29626089]From my conceptual military armchair general point of view.
Shouldn't transport choppers be more focused on protection from small-arms fire and AAA weaponry as opposed to stealth? I mean those things fly very low. It wouldn't matter much to a group to determine where the chopper would be coming but it would just be a matter of time of how quickly they can pivot their AAA weapons or their bodies when they can visually see and aim at the helicopter itself.[/QUOTE]
Retoasting this.
I don't see much of a use of simply just disguising the sound of an oncoming chopper as opposed to protecting it from small-arms or AAA that usually require direct vision.
-=+snip+=-
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;29661070]Retoasting this.
I don't see much of a use of simply just disguising the sound of an oncoming chopper as opposed to protecting it from small-arms or AAA that usually require direct vision.[/QUOTE]
Essentially, wouldn't be that effective in this case. (consider this chopper is build for the purpose of passing radar into countries semi-secretly)
Pakistan is not at all backward in the tech they use, 40mm bofors is their lowest AAA tech but the majority of their AAA is made up of Manpads (think man portable launchers of varying type, IR, wire guided etc.) You simply cannot add enough protection from missile hits to the vulnerable parts of the chopper (rotors, rear mech and hydraulics) and still keep the thing in the air, and the main cargo compartment is still protected against (Most) small arms fire anyway.
So, the evasion of radar is one of the key factors of avoiding detection and interception by ground manpad teams, you get past that initial net and you're in.
[QUOTE=Falchion;29653844][MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0[/MEDIA] Watch this to see how trigger itchy some of those guys in there have been and how it was attempted to totally cover up.[/QUOTE]
I spent a while last november and talked with a close friend of one of the reporters, it was a really humbling experience hearing things from his perspective.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];29657079']What other country has done the things listed above, all of them?
[editline]6th May 2011[/editline]
Aside from a few things (Abu Ghraib for ecample), The United States has actualy taken action to preserve liberty.
They have, as I said before:
Won WWI and WWII
fought against authoritarian communist regimes
Removed the taliban and hussien from power
Your video is propaganda.[/QUOTE]
Wow you're just... wow.
[QUOTE=daijitsu;29663287]I spent a while last november and talked with a close friend of one of the reporters, it was a really humbling experience hearing things from his perspective.
Wow you're just... wow.[/QUOTE]
I really don't see what is so wrong with liking America.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];29663614']I really don't see what is so wrong with liking America.[/QUOTE]
blind patriotism is the problem. I'm glad you like your country, but, for example here, saying anything that doesn't label us as a picture-perfect symbol of glory and humanity is "propaganda" is just downright ignorant. Yes, we've won wars, but we didn't win them alone; Hell, you could say no one really 'won' since it's a war. War is bad. We've also lost others, ones we had no real obligation to be in anyways like Viet Nam. Many have died regardless of our habit of jumping in the middle of a fight to say "Step aside ladies, we'll handle this", and they will continue to die if people think we as a country can just wave a magic wand and knock an opposing army into submission.
If you ignore the negatives and only focus on the positives, it may seem like being proud and hopeful, but you are only bound to let the mistakes of the past come full circle.
[QUOTE=daijitsu;29663976]blind patriotism is the problem. I'm glad you like your country, but, for example here, saying anything that doesn't label us as a picture-perfect symbol of glory and humanity is "propaganda" is just downright ignorant. Yes, we've won wars, but we didn't win them alone; Hell, you could say no one really 'won' since it's a war. War is bad. We've also lost others, ones we had no real obligation to be in anyways like Viet Nam. Many have died regardless of our habit of jumping in the middle of a fight to say "Step aside ladies, we'll handle this", and they will continue to die if people think we as a country can just wave a magic wand and knock an opposing army into submission.
If you ignore the negatives and only focus on the positives, it may seem like being proud and hopeful, but you are only bound to let the mistakes of the past come full circle.[/QUOTE]
Yes, you are correct. But a video that is ment to do nothing but degredate it's subject is considered proganda. Personaly I think that there are many things the USA has done wrong - just like any other country, but they are outwieghed by justice that has been dealt.
propaganda usually does that when it isn't really the truth, or sheds something in horribly disfigured light. Showing the government covered up some idiot flight team's itchy trigger fingers killing a pack of reporters and innocents as terrorists is reporting the truth and bringing justice to the families of those killed.
[img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_QFBV7bl6Zeg/S-Rp9lNGO2I/AAAAAAAAAgg/gG4NGur0a_4/s1600/1942x~This_is_the_Enemy_US_%5B2%5D.jpg[/img]
this is propaganda from WWII telling people the japanese are the enemy. They WERE the enemy, but this makes them inhuman, bloodthirsty animals who are easier to hate. It can be for a good cause (winning the war, freeing slaves, whatever), but it's extremist in its view to get a point across and help sway the idea in many people.
[img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eibgBax8N_k/Tb73ONkweoI/AAAAAAAANVU/uZWLGPAPWDY/s320/osama%2Bsheep%2B1.jpg[/img]
this is also propaganda, telling people Obama is lying to everyone in order for them to love him and re-elect him. People who don't like Obama or are with a set of people who don't already [IE: a moderate portion of farther-right-wingers, tea party, etc] will be enraged by how he is treating people like sheep and hate him even more because now they get the hint that he's an evil manipulator (at least he's not as bad as whoever photoshopped this thing). I think they [i]intend[/i] to show people who don't hate Obama that he's ba-a-a-d, but when it comes to stuff like this anyone who isn't already under the impression he's 'evil' or whatever just laughs at the feeble attempt.
propaganda can also be telling people their own country/leader/system/whatever is the greatest so as to boost morale or increase tourism. It can even be true, but it is usually glorifying something a bit mundane, like Montana, or... um...
[img]http://www.grottomadrid.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/northkorea.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Blanketspace;29625576]Jock, the black helicopter pilot from Deus Ex, of course. You might not have seen him if you didn't thoroughly investigate the bar in Hell's Kitchen on your first visit there.[/QUOTE]
not the first visit, the second.
[QUOTE=daijitsu;29664244]propaganda can also be telling people their own country/leader/system/whatever is the greatest so as to boost morale or increase tourism. It can even be true, but it is usually glorifying something a bit mundane, like Montana, or... um...
[img_thumb]http://www.grottomadrid.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/northkorea.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]Is it just me, or is Kim il-sung's torso abnormally short compared to the rest of his body in that picture?
Might be asian physique, beauty ideals or just a bad artist.
large wall mural, picture of it was taken from kinda close up, looking upward. I'm sure it's fine in itself, just not at a weird angle.
[QUOTE=daijitsu;29669194]large wall mural, picture of it was taken from kinda close up, looking upward. I'm sure it's fine in itself, just not at a weird angle.[/QUOTE]
but everything else looks fine.
it's a landscape, there's no really noticeable skewed shapes aside from the tree on the left which really shows the perspective you're looking up at. The words are photoshop and are not distorted, if that wasn't obvious.
[QUOTE=daijitsu;29669262]it's a landscape, there's no really noticeable skewed shapes aside from the tree on the left which really shows the perspective you're looking up at. The words are photoshop and are not distorted, if that wasn't obvious.[/QUOTE]
I knew that you were good in photography but I never knew that you could analyse photos so extensively, heh, I still remember when you had that rant about why you like amateur porn better because you spend so much time in photoshop that air brushed chicks revolt you.
:mmmsmug:
I'm retardedly overanalytical. read my post here as "the ninjas". Long story why I was on an alt. [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1053150-The-Creative-Photography-Thread-If-It-Ain-t-Bokeh-Don-t-Fix-It?p=29352479&viewfull=1#post29352479[/url]
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;29625589]well it crashed so it can't be that great[/QUOTE]
It didn't crash, it landed with style?
[QUOTE=daijitsu;29669370]:mmmsmug:
I'm retardedly overanalytical. read my post here as "the ninjas". Long story why I was on an alt. [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1053150-The-Creative-Photography-Thread-If-It-Ain-t-Bokeh-Don-t-Fix-It?p=29352479&viewfull=1#post29352479[/url][/QUOTE]
You are one awesome man
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