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[QUOTE=AaronM202;49635951]Ehhhhh.
I dont know about that.[/QUOTE]
I mean it's a given that assuming the existence of other intelligent life (I, personally, do believe) that one of them would have to be first capable of intergalactic travel while all the rest are still building up to it or in more primitive stages
I feel like the chances of us being the very first would be small, but of course it depends on how many other civilizations are out there in the first place, and how fast they could have grown out of the primordial muck before humanity began.
[QUOTE=Bazsil;49637211]I mean it's a given that assuming the existence of other intelligent life (I, personally, do believe) that one of them would have to be first capable of intergalactic travel while all the rest are still building up to it or in more primitive stages
I feel like the chances of us being the very first would be small, but of course it depends on how many other civilizations are out there in the first place, and how fast they could have grown out of the primordial muck before humanity began.[/QUOTE]
Assuming intergalactic travel is at all possible.
[QUOTE=Kljunas;49637329]Assuming intergalactic travel is at all possible.[/QUOTE]
some theorize that UFOs are not from other planets, but are instead interdimensional entities.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49638019]some theorize that UFOs are not from other planets, but are instead interdimensional entities.[/QUOTE]
thats fairy tales and pixie dust
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49638019]some theorize that UFOs are not from other planets, but are instead interdimensional entities.[/QUOTE]
well if thats true, their craft would still have to obey our laws of physics, so no 20g turns, no antigravity, no massless drives either. plus again, we have no idea what it takes to move across dimensions but it should put out some very large very weird energy signatures
i think he's saying they just naturally exist on a higher dimension plane too which is even more unfounded and ridiculous
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49638019]some theorize that UFOs are not from other planets, but are instead interdimensional entities.[/QUOTE]
I think it's Prophet Mo on a winged donkey tbh. You can't disprove it so I'm right.
Pretty sure most of the UFO shit was a smoke screen by the U.S government for secret spy planes, Churchill believed it and so did the KGB.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;49638948]thats fairy tales and pixie dust[/QUOTE]
makes a way better story so that's all i care about with the phenomenon.
i'm agnostic towards it. it is highly likely it isn't real at all but it is entirely non-falsifiable so we can't 100% know, like religion. i just like looking at it and reading stuff on it, like some big ARG or something with immensely deep lore.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49639048]makes a way better story so that's all i care about with the phenomenon.
i'm agnostic towards it. it is highly likely it isn't real at all but it is entirely non-falsifiable so we can't 100% know, like religion. i just like looking at it and reading stuff on it, like some big ARG or something with immensely deep lore.[/QUOTE]
Are you agnostic about unicorns?
[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49639076]Are you agnostic about unicorns?[/QUOTE]
no, i don't really care about them either. i'm pretty sure that the idea came from a mutation in a horse that may have caused tooth growth in a strange region and stories may have grown from that, but there's no compelling evidence they exist and it isn't a story that piques my interest anyways.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49639048]makes a way better story so that's all i care about with the phenomenon.
i'm agnostic towards it. it is highly likely it isn't real at all but it is entirely non-falsifiable so we can't 100% know, like religion. i just like looking at it and reading stuff on it, like some big ARG or something with immensely deep lore.[/QUOTE]
the physical effects of everything we have ever studied have lead, or are still leading us to be able to formalize the forces and substances that make that thing up. so far we're doing pretty good.
if some interdimensional thing interacted with our universe, we'd have a billion starting points to analyze and understand it from. but we have nothing to show for that. nothing even verifiable as an event that happened that has no basis to be explained.
saying something is non-falsifiable because it's an idea in your head isn't very compelling imo. or putting your idea on a pedestal next to religion and saying its untouchable.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49639111]no, i don't really care about them either. i'm pretty sure that the idea came from a mutation in a horse that may have caused tooth growth in a strange region and stories may have grown from that, but there's no compelling evidence they exist and it isn't a story that piques my interest anyways.[/QUOTE]
But unicorns are "entirely non-falsifiable so we can't 100% know," so why are you "agnostic" about religion and aliens but not unicorns?
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[QUOTE=Toro;49639943]Why do you keep shoehorning religion into shit about UFOs? Do you have some agenda to push or something?[/QUOTE]
he was directly responding to a post
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;49639993]he was directly responding to a post[/QUOTE]
Oh, ok, Now I see, nevermind.
[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49639269]But unicorns are "entirely non-falsifiable so we can't 100% know," so why are you "agnostic" about religion and aliens but not unicorns?[/QUOTE]
because i don't really care about unicorns and there is nothing inexplicable going on. i have never read an entertaining unicorn story and that is what i am most concerned of, first and foremost. i'm "agnostic" about things that do happen that our current level of scientific understanding cannot explain in that i keep my mind open about the more fantastic possibilities. its just more fun that way.
i don't really believe this shit in that i live my life like its real, i just like looking at it and suspending my disbelief. is that really such a bad thing?
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49640196]because i don't really care about unicorns and there is nothing inexplicable going on. i have never read an entertaining unicorn story and that is what i am most concerned of, first and foremost. i'm "agnostic" about things that do happen that our current level of scientific understanding cannot explain in that i keep my mind open about the more fantastic possibilities. its just more fun that way.
i don't really believe this shit in that i live my life like its real, i just like looking at it and suspending my disbelief. is that really such a bad thing?[/QUOTE]
So it's an arbitrary distinction because you "care" more about alien visitors than about magical creatures. If there were more "entertaining" unicorn stories then you would start to accept them? That's quite a weird way of experiencing the world: the more you enjoy something, the more likely it is?
If you're only agnostic about "things that do happen," then you're presupposing the event. Not an honest method of analyzing anything. I could simply say "I don't care about UFOs so I don't believe in them. They don't interest me. However, my friend told me an intriguing unicorn story and we all know that unicorn stories actually happen so I'm agnostic about them."
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49638019]some theorize that UFOs are not from other planets, but are instead interdimensional entities.[/QUOTE]
Uhuh.
Here's my theory. All UFO's observed from the surface are from Earth, and they mostly fall into these categories:
- Existing and misidentified physical objects and/or natural phenomena (a plane with blinking lights, a polar stratospheric cloud)
- Someones brain misinterpreting the electromagnetic radiation entering their eyes (hallucinations)
- Forgery and lies (vfx videos, making shit up)
[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49640237]So it's an arbitrary distinction because you "care" more about alien visitors than about magical creatures. If there were more "entertaining" unicorn stories then you would start to accept them? That's quite a weird way of experiencing the world: the more you enjoy something, the more likely it is?
If you're only agnostic about "things that do happen," then you're presupposing the event. Not an honest method of analyzing anything. I could simply say "I don't care about UFOs so I don't believe in them. They don't interest me. However, my friend told me an intriguing unicorn story and we all know that unicorn stories actually happen so I'm agnostic about them."[/QUOTE]
i've read and heard enough stories about things which haven't been explained, whether from lack of academic interest or just plain lack of scientific understanding, to keep my mind open to some more fantastic possibilities. I understand that the likelihood of most of those fantastic explanations are low, extremely low, but i find it far more interesting than just ignoring that these events happen in the first place. it makes better reading material, which is my primary goal when looking at these subjects.
if someone wants to be agnostic towards unicorns, i don't really care because it's their thing and has no effect on me. if they find some sort of solace in it then good for them
seriously, it isn't a strong belief at all and in all cases where it actually matters i fall to the side of facts and evidence. i just don't see what is wrong with having a little bit of faith in the fantastic and esoteric.
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[QUOTE=paul simon;49640245]Uhuh.
Here's my theory. All UFO's observed from the surface are from Earth, and they mostly fall into these categories:
- Existing and misidentified physical objects and/or natural phenomena (a plane with blinking lights, a polar stratospheric cloud)
- Someones brain misinterpreting the electromagnetic radiation entering their eyes (hallucinations)
- Forgery and lies (vfx videos, making shit up)[/QUOTE]
you're right, these are all far more likely possibilities
[editline]30th January 2016[/editline]
a lot of it stems from the knowledge that i am insignificant, that whether i believe or not the outcome is the same. it will have no effect on the world either way. i feel like i can afford myself a bit of weird mystery that is illogical because i know it changes nothing if i do or not, i'm not under any illusion that it actually matters what i.believe in those cases. i decided the phenomenon is much more enjoyable if i put some faith into it.
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