Germany's Police only used 85 bullets, in the whole of 2011 - Polidicks

[QUOTE=HkSniper;35915084]Warning shots? Seriously? You should never discharge your firearm as 'warning shots'. That statistic should not even exist and if it's a policy - then it needs to go. You only discharge your weapon if you intend to use it for it's purpose - defense of yourself or others. Never for warning shots. That puts other people at risk. The bullet has to go somewhere. Other than that little statistic... the others are good news for the German police.[/QUOTE] I'd say you'd be less likely to try and do something illegal if you knew that there was a bloke or group of blokes ready to put a bullet in you, and that they made it pretty obvious that they would

Most of the times police shoot to kill around here, it makes headlines. I recently read an article in the newspaper about a neighbourhood dispute gone berserk where a man chased another with an axe. The guyfled to his house while the other beat down the door to chop him up. Police arrived and the attacker supposedly went after the officers with his axe. this was when they gunned him down. It might be surprising to american military enthusiasts, but this raised questions about weather the officers were too quick to shoot to kill, since normally they have to go for the kneecaps first.

Every month there's a story or two that makes me want to leave America.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;35912138]The US can learn a thing or two from Germany.[/QUOTE] The US has over 200 million more people than Germany, and is more spread out, of course we are going to have more police shootings and crime.

[QUOTE=Raizo;35912841]German popos are mostly scared shitless once it gets rough. I remember when I was at a German - American folk festival and there was a fight between a couple americans and germans; all drunk of course. The German officers had their pants full of shit and stood by side while the Military Police took care of it by themselves.[/QUOTE] Are you shitting me? German police give beatdowns to people like that.

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35919927]The US has over 200 million more people than Germany, and is more spread out, of course we are going to have more police shootings and crime.[/QUOTE] Normally crime increases with population density.

They fired 36 rounds, but only 21 hit their mark. Where are the other 15? [editline]11th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Afrika;35920487]Normally crime increases with population density.[/QUOTE] Notice how 99% of crime in the U.S is in large cities like L.A, NYC, Detroit, etc...

I think alot of that has to do with much of the "thug lyfe" here in L.A. and over in Detroit. There is a rather large gang problem here.

With bullets now mentioned, what other methods are incurred in the apprehending of an offender? Batons, Tasers, Pepper spray, and in what quantity? A low usage of bullets can bring up the assumption that higher amounts of alternatives were used.

Germany has kinda been a super place in a lot of ways since the whole nazi thing. Probably since if they do anything at all most of the world will jump on it like overactive squirrels chattering in their trees. Germany proves to be very oragnized, and well eating, and also very low in police shootings. Wonder what else they do well.

[QUOTE=Raizo;35912841]German popos are mostly scared shitless once it gets rough. I remember when I was at a German - American folk festival and there was a fight between a couple americans and germans; all drunk of course. The German officers had their pants full of shit and stood by side while the Military Police took care of it by themselves.[/QUOTE] Uh regular officers and military police at the same thing? I could be wrong with regard to Germany but I wouldn't imagine them both sharing jurisdiction so if the MPs are there then they would handle it.

[QUOTE=Rhenae;35921125]Germany has kinda been a super place in a lot of ways since the whole nazi thing. Probably since if they do anything at all most of the world will jump on it like overactive squirrels chattering in their trees. Germany proves to be very oragnized, and well eating, and also very low in police shootings. Wonder what else they do well.[/QUOTE] Being the single pillar holding up the Euro, cheap and good education, etc...

[QUOTE=Dysgalt;35920703]With bullets now mentioned, what other methods are incurred in the apprehending of an offender? Batons, Tasers, Pepper spray, and in what quantity? A low usage of bullets can bring up the assumption that higher amounts of alternatives were used.[/QUOTE] Usually, policemen in germany try to talk you down, even if you shout at them. As much as i know tasers are seen as dangerous and only used by the SEK.

[QUOTE=salmonmarine;35913731]Can we discuss Germany ANYWHERE Ever without bringing up fascism?[/QUOTE] Dude you don't hear us bitching about people bringing up slavery and shit. We're like "Yeah that was a p. shitty thing we did whose consequences are still felt to this very day."

[QUOTE=Lankist;35922995]Dude you don't hear us bitching about people bringing up slavery and shit. We're like "Yeah that was a p. shitty thing we did whose consequences are still felt to this very day."[/QUOTE] Why can't we just stop bringing up either of them?

[QUOTE=xxxkiller;35923159]Why can't we just stop bringing up either of them?[/QUOTE] Because that would be dumb. Hey guys lets just forget history so we don't offend anyone by mentioning all the shitty things their nation did over the years.

They were bombed every day, had their capital all but obliterated, millions of women raped, and to top it all off afterwards they were split into two and oppressed on one side and to this day are still paying the allied forces for damages. I think they've had their punishment and have moved on long ago from what they have done.

[QUOTE=Nif90;35914041]and my country only used 1, from the year 1990 till 2011 =.=[/QUOTE] So, how's life in Vatican City?

[QUOTE=Niklas;35922987]Usually, policemen in germany try to talk you down, even if you shout at them. As much as i know tasers are seen as dangerous and only used by the SEK.[/QUOTE] I wish we had stricter taser policies here in America. Those things are dangerous.

I think even if police didn't use their guns against criminals at all in the US, we would still use far more bullets than that just from cases of police having to kill dangerous animals edit: re-read the article, apparently those are just bullets fired at criminals. Germany had 8000+ cases of animals being shot by police last year.

[QUOTE=Afrika;35920487]Normally crime increases with population density.[/QUOTE] Most of our cities are dense, and some have more people than other countries.

[url]http://www.wnyc.org/articles/wnyc-news/2010/nov/11/stats-show-shots-fired-nypd-new-low/[/url] For comparison, New York City has about 10% of Germany's population, and 296 shots were fired last year.

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35927811]Most of our cities are dense, and some have more people than other countries.[/QUOTE] German cities are as dense as most US American cities (except for maybe NYC) and the whole population density of Germany is MUCH higher than that of the USA, so that's not an excuse for the higher crime rate.

meanwhile in America.. we really need to rethink our incarceration system, and society must understand the concept of recidivism. The gun culture doesn't help, but I'm not so sure what you could do about it except reinstate the ban on assault weapons.

[QUOTE=fox '09;35928418]but I'm not so sure what you could do about it except reinstate the ban on assault weapons.[/QUOTE] Which helped absolutely nothing

[QUOTE=fox '09;35928418]meanwhile in America.. we really need to rethink our incarceration system, and society must understand the concept of recidivism. The gun culture doesn't help, but I'm not so sure what you could do about it except reinstate the ban on assault weapons.[/QUOTE]Might as well ban croissants, it'll do just as much good. The amount of crimes committed with fully-automatic, legally purchased weapons is so minuscule as to be nearly non-existent, especially considering the extremely rigorous background checks done for them. Criminals prefer easy-to-conceal weapons like pistols or sawn-offs to hefty bullet-hoses. Any automatic weapons they have are almost always illegally converted machine-pistol type things.

10 reichmarks says it was just one cop that wen't fucking crazy.

So do regular beat cops in Germany carry sidearms? I'll admit I have next to no idea how germany's law enforcement works. I'm guessing this figure includes all aspects of germany's police force, including armed response units.

[QUOTE=salmonmarine;35913731]Can we discuss Germany ANYWHERE Ever without bringing up fascism?[/QUOTE] Shut up! Don't you know that your avatar single-handedly defeated Hitler? On a more serious note, there are some challenges that the United States faces because of the nature of our mistakes. The way we introduced black people into society after they were freed was the worst way we could've possibly established a future for their descendants, creating a social environment where escaping poverty and crime is extremely difficult. But still, African Americans are only about 13% of our population, so even if they were all hardcore thugs, they alone shouldn't cause such an extreme difference in abusing firepower. I think a problem that we as a country face regarding law enforcement is the heroic, manly cowboy image, that creates a culture pressures law enforcement to be "tough," even if it isn't the most rational decision. We still have friendly cops here in the United States here and there, but we have a huge problem with our police culture. It becomes so adversarial that they no longer see themselves as people who are providing a service, but rather people fighting a "war" against "criminals." And our overuse of term like "The War on Drugs," "The War on Smuggling," "The War on etc." both illustrates and reinforces the attitudes of American police culture. [editline]14th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sgt Doom;35931568]Might as well ban croissants, it'll do just as much good. The amount of crimes committed with fully-automatic, legally purchased weapons is so minuscule as to be nearly non-existent, especially considering the extremely rigorous background checks done for them. Criminals prefer easy-to-conceal weapons like pistols or sawn-offs to hefty bullet-hoses. Any automatic weapons they have are almost always illegally converted machine-pistol type things.[/QUOTE] It really depends on the criminal. A gang member will undoubtedly find an AK-47, or a "chopper," so you're not going to significantly change the numbers there. The biggest problem with legalizing certain firearms is a few less-than-sane people using one in a crowded area. This is generally harder regulate because people an use other peoples' legally purchased weapons. One of the big problems in the United States is that we don't check people enough at gun shows. Eric Harris, one of the Columbine gunman, should not have been to been able to purchase what he did. I think we would cut the numbers of mentally unstable people with automatic/concealable firearms if we crackdown of people who made negligent gun sales. Although, I don't notice these people using assault rifles, or why they would, but maybe I'm finding reasons to leave assault rifles alone because I have a bias toward them because I fucking love them. [editline]14th May 2012[/editline] You know, Spiegel actually has some pretty good articles.

[QUOTE=fox '09;35928418]The gun culture doesn't help, but I'm not so sure what you could do about it except reinstate the ban on assault weapons.[/QUOTE] I agree with your first point, but banning any kind of weapon isn't going to do much other than stop the marginal amount of crimes committed totally out of the blue. If someone wants to get a gun of any sort and they've planned out their crime and got the contacts, they [I]will[/I] get it regardless of how tight the laws against it are. They're already planning something that requires a gun, do you think they much care about the law by that point? All you'd be doing is stifling people who need guns to feel safe and secure, as well as the simple hobbyists who merely want to pursue their interests without fear of a fine. Now, I can live perfectly fine without knowing there's an automatic assault weapon underneath my bed, but if I had one, do you think I'd be itching to use it?