93-Year-Old Auschwitz Guard Charged With 300,000 Counts of Accessory to Murder - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Cabbage;45986916]Reading 101. "To say every single person involved in the nazi regime as evil and morally twisted as the person who instigated is to be very misinformed" The person who instigated it was Hitler. Thus I was saying he is evil and morally twisted[/QUOTE] you are kind of being hypocritical. you can't assume that every nazi was evil but you also cant assume every nazi was a good person who got brainwashed

[QUOTE=proch;45986836]Wasn't it basically obey or get shot?[/QUOTE] Probably. Lots of people were forced to serve the nazi regime or end up suffering the same fate as the people captured and killed.

[QUOTE=Wiggles;45986896]Okay, but surely it would be better to spend the tens of thousands of euros that a case like this will cost on a proper campaign against modern anti-semitism instead of fruitlessly trying to right a 70 year old wrong?[/QUOTE] What do you mean right a 70 year old wrong? Sentencing him will not bring all these people back, if it did it would be tens of thousands euros well spent. If he was important to what happened at auschwitz he should be sentenced for it. Genocide doesn't have a limitation period. There's no need to actually put him behind bars but if he's guilty he should be sentenced as guilty. Going "well we've found the people responsible for the genocide, but they are old and shit now, so we're not even going to release their names, there's no point." is not a great campaign either. [QUOTE=Kondor;45986906]great you literally just said what i was saying[/QUOTE] Great you assumed I disagreed with you where I didn't.

Can't even let the dude pass peacefully. Despite what he's done, I'm sure he begs for forgiveness, and we cannot even allow him a peaceful passing.

[QUOTE=Covalent;45987107]Can't even let the dude pass peacefully. Despite what he's done, I'm sure he begs for forgiveness, and we cannot even allow him a peaceful passing.[/QUOTE] Why do you guys assume that all the auschwitz guards were all little angels coerced to do what they did because they were afraid of getting killed themselves and they all feel sorry for what they did? And why does being old and sorry for what you've done absolve you of any responsibility for what you've done? Including being an accessory to fucking genocide out of all things.

[QUOTE=Covalent;45987107]Can't even let the dude pass peacefully. Despite what he's done, I'm sure he begs for forgiveness, and we cannot even allow him a peaceful passing.[/QUOTE] Lol he could be a virulent anti-Semite whose only regret was that Germany lost for all we know.

[QUOTE=Explosions;45987280]Lol he could be a virulent anti-Semite whose only regret was that Germany lost for all we know.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't matter though. Punishing him at this point won't achieve shit. If anything, he's a symbol of how war criminals can get away. A symbol of our failure.

[QUOTE=proch;45987380]Wouldn't matter though. Punishing him at this point won't achieve shit. If anything, he's a symbol of how war criminals can get away. A symbol of our failure.[/QUOTE] Well if he's convicted then it's not as if he got away.

[QUOTE=Explosions;45987395]Well if he's convicted then it's not as if he got away.[/QUOTE] Yeah, that's a good point. Still, he basically got away Scott free up until the point where it doesn't really matter anymore. Anyway, [QUOTE]Groening has said he did not commit any crimes, but did witness killings. In an interview with Der Spiegel magazine in 2005, he spoke of one such atrocity involving a crying baby. "I saw another SS soldier grab the baby by the legs," he said then. "He smashed the baby's head against the iron side of a truck until it was silent.[/QUOTE] What the shit.

[QUOTE=Explosions;45987395]Well if he's convicted then it's not as if he got away.[/QUOTE] I'd call not getting punished until you've already lived out almost the entirety of your life happily getting away with it.

[QUOTE=proch;45986836]Wasn't it basically obey or get shot?[/QUOTE] can i have a citation of this i keep hearing this stuff 99999 times none ever substantiated unless they were russians or something given chance to be guards that joined willingly

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;45987436]I'd call not getting punished until you've already lived out almost the entirety of your life happily getting away with it.[/QUOTE] I don't give a crap about "punishment." The fact is that the crimes of Nazi Germany stopped at the end of the war. That's what we should care about. The crimes and wrongdoings stopped. Who cares about punishing those responsible?

[QUOTE=Explosions;45987453]I don't give a crap about "punishment." The fact is that the crimes of Nazi Germany stopped at the end of the war. That's what we should care about. The crimes and wrongdoings stopped. Who cares about punishing those responsible?[/QUOTE] people connected to killing of six million people??? and btw, by that logic, since the rwanda civil war ended, we shouldn't prosecute the people behind the genocide right? war in general =/= war crimes

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;45987447]can i have a citation of this i keep hearing this stuff 99999 times none ever substantiated unless they were russians or something given chance to be guards that joined willingly[/QUOTE] I'd actually also like to see proof of this.

Christ, Jack the Ripper is on the loose and they're wasting time on this guy?

it would be more effective to hunt actual criminals ... it's damn sad so many escaped the justice when there was time to show impact ...

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;45987607]people connected to killing of six million people??? and btw, by that logic, since the rwanda civil war ended, we shouldn't prosecute the people behind the genocide right? war in general =/= war crimes[/QUOTE] As long as their crimes are recognized and proven, and they are prevented from continuing those crimes, I don't give a shit about what happens to the perpetrator.

Sure showed that nazi. Let this be a message to all 90 year old ex-nazis who are trying to live their lives normally. [sp]In case this wasn't obvious to more than two people, this is sarcasm.[/sp]

[video=youtube;ShaVle8SiO8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShaVle8SiO8[/video] This series should help those who don't understand that soldiers in Germany during WW2 were humans too, don't confuse the wehrmacht with the SS.

Lol that'll teach that 93 year old man a lesson.

Reminder that Germany ran a draft during the war, and this man asked to be transferred to the front, but was denied. This isn't serving anyone's interests. All it is doing is perpetuating the "All Germans were bad" consensus. People need to understand that it wasn't a good guys versus bad guys kind of war. The cause of the war goes deeper than pure German aggression, and many people fought not because they supported the fighting or the atrocities, but because they had a duty to their country.

Apparently, Mr. Gröning used to be a banker before his enlistment to the SS. After his deployment to Auschwitz, due to his job background, he was assigned to count and sort the money taken from exterminated prisoners. After the war, he learnt about holocaust denial and started to openly criticize those who deny the events, and the ideology to which he once subscribed. Should that 93 year old man really be charged for the murder of 300 000 people? I don't think so.

next thing you know half of america's ancestors are gonna be put in jail for 500,000 counts of kidnapping and smuggling in illegal immigrants. oh wait that still happens today and no one cares. still though. everyone is guilty of something. severity varies.

[QUOTE=desertdog11;45989405][video=youtube;ShaVle8SiO8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShaVle8SiO8[/video] This series should help those who don't understand that soldiers in Germany during WW2 were humans too, don't confuse the wehrmacht with the SS.[/QUOTE] Disagree. The Wehrmacht performed their shares of atrocities, especially in Eastern Europe. I'm not implying all soldiers were evil human beings, but the regular German military was not exempt from doing horrible crimes.

[QUOTE=MillySoose;45989494]Reminder that Germany ran a draft during the war, and this man asked to be transferred to the front, but was denied. This isn't serving anyone's interests. All it is doing is perpetuating the "All Germans were bad" consensus. People need to understand that it wasn't a good guys versus bad guys kind of war. The cause of the war goes deeper than pure German aggression, and many people fought not because they supported the fighting or the atrocities, but because they had a duty to their country.[/QUOTE] When it comes to history people really like a short good vs. bad explanation E.g. american revolution : A bunch of poor innocent colonists being horribly oppressed by the british finally lashing out and winning their freedom civil war : Evil southern plantation owners want to keep enslaving people, however the north fights to set the slaves free! Could go on and on with this

[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;45990211]Disagree. The Wehrmacht performed their shares of atrocities, especially in Eastern Europe. I'm not implying all soldiers were evil human beings, but the regular German military was not exempt from doing horrible crimes.[/QUOTE] And the russian army raped anything with two legs, but it is okay to oversee this because they are not Nazis

[QUOTE=Xilo;45990197]next thing you know half of america's ancestors are gonna be put in jail for 500,000 counts of kidnapping and smuggling in illegal immigrants. oh wait that still happens today and no one cares. still though. everyone is guilty of something. severity varies.[/QUOTE] wasn't aware sins of the father passes down to their kin and we can try corpses [QUOTE=Tampio;45989708]Apparently, Mr. Gröning used to be a banker before his enlistment to the SS. After his deployment to Auschwitz, due to his job background, he was assigned to count and sort the money taken from exterminated prisoners. After the war, he learnt about holocaust denial and started to openly criticize those who deny the events, and the ideology to which he once subscribed. Should that 93 year old man really be charged for the murder of 300 000 people? I don't think so.[/QUOTE] that's his claim, it's going to be tested in court, it's as if what a justice system is for [QUOTE=Explosions;45987781]As long as their crimes are recognized and proven, and they are prevented from continuing those crimes, I don't give a shit about what happens to the perpetrator.[/QUOTE] and how do you officially recognize and prove the crimes? court

[QUOTE=Impact1986;45990292]And the russian army raped anything with two legs, but it is okay to oversee this because they are not Nazis[/QUOTE] Except no one is talking about the Red Army, nor did I imply that I'm ignoring their atrocities as well. We're talking about the Wehrmacht, and the myth that they fought a "clean" war.

[IMG]http://cdn.ltstatic.com/2012/January/KF987881_942long.jpg[/IMG] Or it sure as hell feels like one.

so stupid. He's 93 years old not that justifies what he's done but honestly what's the point of funneling all the resources they used to create a case against him when he's no longer a threat and will probably kick the bucket soon. They could've used those resources on more important and recent crimes.