Seth MacFarlane made insulting jokes during the oscar - Jews, feminists and antiracists furious - Polidicks

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39744409]and the critique is? That thinking it's that easy for women to just change their situation? But I don't think it's "that" easy. What's the critique? That I say fuck and it gets turned into an absurd abscess in a equally bad argument made against me? Is it that I'm a misogynist? cause that's not a critique, that's just being called something that doesn't sit paralell to my own belief systems. The critique here has been of my character and of my posting style, not of my arguements. I have stated it very clearly what my point of view is at this point in time and it has only gotten me called a misogynist. how can I take that critique to make it of any use? I can't because it's meaningless in the scope of things. It's an assumption of my views based on one set of arguments, one set of posts. It's not accurate in any sense.[/QUOTE] you probably meant well when you said it but you're still transferring blame onto women for being in a shitty situation you're probably a good person but that thing you said was bad and was misogynistic, you may or may not be, i dont know

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39744409]and the critique is? That thinking it's that easy for women to just change their situation? But I don't think it's "that" easy. What's the critique? That I say fuck and it gets turned into an absurd abscess in a equally bad argument made against me? Is it that I'm a misogynist? cause that's not a critique, that's just being called something that doesn't sit paralell to my own belief systems. The critique here has been of my character and of my posting style, not of my arguements. I have stated it very clearly what my point of view is at this point in time and it has only gotten me called a misogynist. how can I take that critique to make it of any use? I can't because it's meaningless in the scope of things. It's an assumption of my views based on one set of arguments, one set of posts. It's not accurate in any sense.[/QUOTE] it doesn't have to be parallel to what you believe in. if you are re-enforcing sexist culture, even if you strictly believe you aren't sexist, you are re-enforcing it

[QUOTE=Shadaez;39744458]you meant well when you said it but you're still transferring blame onto women for being in a shitty situation you're probably a good person but that thing you said was bad and was misogynistic, you may or may not be, i dont know[/QUOTE] No i'm not. They're in that situation due to society run by a patriachy over many, many years, and that wall still hasn't crumbled. Why is it misogynistic to believe that women have a part to play in moving beyond this, yes it was badly phrased in the form of a "choice" but it is still at the heart of it my point. thank you.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39744409] I backpedaled. Fine. I made posts that didn't represent my full thoughts on the manner. Fine. [/QUOTE] im glad you saw your mistakes, i hope you educate yourself and stop blaming/hating women constantly from now on okay? [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39744409]no one could WANT to change their opinions with an ass like you, you're nothing but rude.[/QUOTE] truth hurts doesn't it? maybe thats why it comes across as rude

[QUOTE=Ownederd;39744466]it doesn't have to be parallel to what you believe in. if you are re-enforcing sexist culture, even if you strictly believe you aren't sexist, you are re-enforcing it[/QUOTE] and people have different views on what's re enforcing it, not even all feminist philosophers and idealists quite agree on the same things, i'm not sure of the correct view or what really is the real cause of these things, but I'm not likely to believe humor is the leading cause of it just yet(which is what this thread is about to keep it on topic) [editline]27th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=lolwutdude;39744495]im glad you saw your mistakes, i hope you educate yourself and stop blaming/hating women constantly from now on okay? truth hurts doesn't it? maybe thats why it comes across as rude[/QUOTE] Oh i'm sure there was truth in the "FUCK FUCK FUCK SUCH A MISOGYNIST LET ME RUB MY DICK ON MY MISOGINY" yeah, i'm fucking sure of it.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39744500] Oh i'm sure there was truth in the "FUCK FUCK FUCK SUCH A MISOGYNIST LET ME RUB MY DICK ON MY MISOGINY" yeah, i'm fucking sure of it.[/QUOTE] well, i dont think you rubbing your dick in misogyny is a good idea cause i think you are misogynistic enough its okay, you're learning, i think my work is done here, im glad

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;39744542]well, i dont think you rubbing your dick in misogyny is a good idea cause i think you are misogynistic enough its okay, you're learning, i think my work is done here, im glad[/QUOTE] too self assured and moored in ones own views for even a shovel to dig you out careful, you're going into the mantle now. it gets hot down there.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39744471]No i'm not. They're in that situation due to society run by a patriachy over many, many years, and that wall still hasn't crumbled. Why is it misogynistic to believe that women have a part to play in moving beyond this, yes it was badly phrased in the form of a "choice" but it is still at the heart of it my point. thank you.[/QUOTE] im so shitty at explaining this stuff but I'm thinking it's to do with men mostly being the perpetrators of it (we benefit from it) and women don't. Women are also thought of negatively and are disadvantaged if they go against it (for real people think feminists are evil) [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39744500] Oh i'm sure there was truth in the "FUCK FUCK FUCK SUCH A MISOGYNIST LET ME RUB MY DICK ON MY MISOGINY" yeah, i'm fucking sure of it.[/QUOTE] circlejerking is fun

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39744557]too self assured and moored in ones own views for even a shovel to dig you out careful, you're going into the mantle now. it gets hot down there.[/QUOTE] then maybe i can meet you in the core itself where your MRA fort is??? i can help you get out of there :)

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;39744583]then maybe i can meet you in the core itself where your MRA fort is??? i can help you get out of there :)[/QUOTE] if only the mra thing was true then you'd have a good zinger on your hands or something it'd be a first

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;39714677]i agree with you on this also, can you please change your name to something else? Spooks is a known derogatory term for Africans and a have history of being used against them for a skin color they have no control over. as well, can you please change your avatar? piracy is no laughing matter nor should it be glorified, ask the somali's who are forced into it or victim of it because of circumstances created by international corruption or ask the people whose ancestors were raped or pillaged by pirates, thank you[/QUOTE] I thought this post was being sarcastic when this thread first started.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39744638]if only the mra thing was true then you'd have a good zinger on your hands or something it'd be a first[/QUOTE] you forgot to put the word 'fuck' in there btw but im glad i was able to educate you and make you realize how misogynistic you were with that task done, im outie [IMG]http://filesmelt.com/dl/fpbird.png[/IMG]

That was only predictable that this thread is going to end here, where the word "misogynist" is thrown around like feces in monkey aviary.

[QUOTE=gudman;39744922]That was only predictable that this thread is going to end here, where the word "misogynist" is thrown around like feces in monkey aviary.[/QUOTE] Mostly by people who use it as a sound bite to prove or refute arguments without really understanding the meaning. You do have a way with words though.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;39744269]i dont know what to argue against a post which is all backpedaling, saying you're not a misogynist ( which you are), and reiterating what you're not even though all your posts are saying it's the women's fault for not making a choice because it's the 21st century therefore going against social norm is so easy they can do it instantly when presented with the idea they can???? and im a white knight for calling you out on being a misogynist and making fun of suicides? ( cause a depressed human being killing themselves is so funny xD) cause i think it isn't!!! while i like your gratitude, i think you can pay me back not in form of texts in a forum, but rather educating yourself cause it seems you don't know gender issues enough but thanks :)[/QUOTE] Someone should buy you an abandoned fire fepartment for you to convert to the misogyny police, complete with a bell that sounds whenever you think someone is being misogynistic. Now if you follow your feeling, you'll have a lot of work but probably get a whole lot of restraining orders, but if you want a nice bit of vacations, you can just go for the real cases and save yourself a lot of ridicule. And now, I shall await for your internal bell to sound, you to come in here, read my post, not understanding a dime of it, making up your own version of it like you've done this whole time, and call me a misogynist because you are never ever wrong. [editline]28th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=lolwutdude;39744407]good job trying to pretend what you're saying now was said earlier, that was some hardcore backpedaling, if you were in a backpedal competition, i'd give you a gold medal, but you're fooling no one okay??? cause im not the one who said women should make a choice and it's all so easy now in the 21st century cause of the internet and going against social norm is so simple, then realizing what i said was a heap of misogynistic bullshit and revamping everything i said to make myself look better, that's you mate. it wasnt i that said men wasn't the primary cause of the oppressive patriarchy but still can't blame it on men, it was you. now you're trying to pretend to be some sort of moral paragon which you're not cause im pretty sure you realized what you said earlier was complete bullshit ps: im not trying to make you examine your views, you're well entrenched in your MRA mindset that not even the best shovel can dig you out, you're backpedaling so hard, you're digging the ground below you to the core of the earth[/QUOTE] I love it how you call it backpedaling when you've been assuming things to better fit your arguments, things we never said, and then call it backpedaling. You want a bike track along with you misogyny police?

[QUOTE=dass;39746090]Someone should buy you an abandoned fire fepartment for you to convert to the misogyny police, complete with a bell that sounds whenever you think someone is being misogynistic. Now if you follow your feeling, you'll have a lot of work but probably get a whole lot of restraining orders, but if you want a nice bit of vacations, you can just go for the real cases and save yourself a lot of ridicule.[/QUOTE] Okay realtalk you straight-up said that it was hard coded into man's genes for them to stare at people's boobs and sex organs (but apparently not in a creepy way or anything like that, because that totally fucking matters). Now let's ignore the fact that this would mean that every man in the world is judging women (and only women) based on how they look and that this somehow makes being a weirdo socially acceptable, and focus on the fact that this is probably one of the creepiest things I've ever heard. Seriously, do you think that girls are gonna like you with that kind of thinking? "Don't worry ma'am, I'm not leering at you because I think you're hot, I'm just doing my genetically-obligated duty!" I'm sure they'll totally believe you, right up until they realize their drink's been spiked.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;39744495]im glad you saw your mistakes, i hope you educate yourself and stop blaming/hating women constantly from now on okay? truth hurts doesn't it? maybe thats why it comes across as rude[/QUOTE] Pat yourself on the back some more for vanishing the halucinations you alone created. [editline]28th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Cone;39746156]Okay realtalk you straight-up said that it was hard coded into man's genes for them to stare at people's boobs and sex organs (but apparently not in a creepy way or anything like that, because that totally fucking matters). Now let's ignore the fact that this would mean that every man in the world is judging women (and only women) based on how they look and that this somehow makes being a weirdo socially acceptable, and focus on the fact that this is probably one of the creepiest things I've ever heard. Seriously, do you think that girls are gonna like you with that kind of thinking? "Don't worry ma'am, I'm not leering at you because I think you're hot, I'm just doing my genetically-obligated duty!" I'm sure they'll totally believe you, right up until they realize their drink's been spiked.[/QUOTE] Its funny because I said it more as a joke, and when I said stare, I meant what everyone does when they see something they like: they stare at it. As in what normal people do. And somehow, you guys took it to the extreme, despite me saying its a normal reaction, which in my opinion, should lead you to think I'm talking about what someone who fancies someone else would do in a normal way. But wait! You should wait for the expert in misogyny to come in here and confirm that I'm backpedaling, because he never gets anything wrong and knows exactly what goes through my head! Byt really, I just love how people took it so wrong and just prefered to be complete ignorants.

He was the best host in years, laughed my ass off.

[QUOTE=dass;39746179]Its funny because I said it more as a joke, and when I said stare, I meant what everyone does when they see something they like: they stare at it. As in what normal people do. And somehow, you guys took it to the extreme, despite me saying its a normal reaction, which in my opinion, should lead you to think I'm talking about what someone who fancies someone else would do in a normal way. But wait! You should wait for the expert in misogyny to come in here and confirm that I'm backpedaling, because he never gets anything wrong and knows exactly what goes through my head! Byt really, I just love how people took it so wrong and just prefered to be complete ignorants.[/QUOTE] Well it seems that taking a blowtorch to the testicles would have more thought paid to the intricacies of comedy than that "joke" did, and I find it really hard to believe that you wrote what you wrote, told yourself "this is funny and worth posting," and did not even pay a [I]second's worth of thought[/I] to what you were saying, and now do not at all understand why being a joke = ! an excuse to be a complete idiot. So, are you unfunny and completely insensitive, or peddling backwards so fast you need to take the curvature of the Earth into account? You tell me, pal. And if your first instinct upon seeing anything even close to a pair of boobs is to stare at them as if they'll be yours if you look at them enough, you must be [I]a real hit[/I] with the ladies. Because all girls like people leering at them and telling them that they've got nice cans, right guys? I don't even know where they'd possibly have gotten this idea that all men are weirdos from! But hey, even if we apparently don't know what goes through your head, at least we've got this forum to hear your opinions that apparently aren't yours. Seriously, why the fuck would you tell us about what you think, [B][I]then immediately say that we don't know what you think?[/I][/B] You just told us what you fucking think! That's the point of a god damn forum! What, these are some other guy's opinions or something? Why would you even give us your opinions when they apparently don't reflect what you think enough for anyone to make a judgement off of them? You're doing so many mental gymnastics here, I'd almost call you an Olympian if that weren't an insult to anyone who's ever even thought about another person who's thought about the Olympics. That's seriously how deep this goes.

[QUOTE=The Baconator;39743911]I notice that whenever these threads happen, it's always the same few people arguing for the misogynistic side that they have since been given titles about it (like mobrockers2 for example)[/QUOTE] My title was not given to me because of a thread about misogyny actually.

[QUOTE=Cone;39746720]Well it seems that taking a blowtorch to the testicles would have more thought paid to the intricacies of comedy than that "joke" did, and I find it really hard to believe that you wrote what you wrote, told yourself "this is funny and worth posting," and did not even pay a [I]second's worth of thought[/I] to what you were saying, and now do not at all understand why being a joke = ! an excuse to be a complete idiot. So, are you unfunny and completely insensitive, or peddling backwards so fast you need to take the curvature of the Earth into account? You tell me, pal. And if your first instinct upon seeing anything even close to a pair of boobs is to stare at them as if they'll be yours if you look at them enough, you must be [I]a real hit[/I] with the ladies. Because all girls like people leering at them and telling them that they've got nice cans, right guys? I don't even know where they'd possibly have gotten this idea that all men are weirdos from! But hey, even if we apparently don't know what goes through your head, at least we've got this forum to hear your opinions that apparently aren't yours. Seriously, why the fuck would you tell us about what you think, [B][I]then immediately say that we don't know what you think?[/I][/B] You just told us what you fucking think! That's the point of a god damn forum! What, these are some other guy's opinions or something? Why would you even give us your opinions when they apparently don't reflect what you think enough for anyone to make a judgement off of them? You're doing so many mental gymnastics here, I'd almost call you an Olympian if that weren't an insult to anyone who's ever even thought about another person who's thought about the Olympics. That's seriously how deep this goes.[/QUOTE] have you read my posts and everyone elses? It doesnt sounds like you did, else you would know why I keep saying lolwut doesnt knows what goes through my head to make stupid as shit assumptions to fit his needs and to call me a misogynist.

[QUOTE=dass;39747554]have you read my posts and everyone elses? It doesnt sounds like you did, else you would know why I keep saying lolwut doesnt knows what goes through my head to make stupid as shit assumptions to fit his needs and to call me a misogynist.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but you're not making a lick of sense here. I just detailed why we know what goes through your head, either stop using that as a defense or stop telling us your opinions. Also: [QUOTE][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny"]Misogyny (pron.: /mɪˈsɒdʒɪni/) is the hatred or dislike of women or girls. Misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including sexual discrimination, denigration of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women.[/URL][/QUOTE] If nothing else you check out for the objectification and denigration part with that "men can't control the urge to be creepy rapey weirdos" spiel, which would directly imply that A) this is a natural thing that shouldn't be interfered with, and B) that any assault, discrimination or denigration is just the result of a woman letting her guard down, and not of the guy who was doing one or all of the above. And by the way, you never did clarify if you're just dumb or if you're to comedy what tetanus is to sheet metal, so if you could clear that up that'd be great.

oh boy another thread turned into those "everyone is a misogynist" shitpost extravaganzas. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Why reply" - MaxOfS2D))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Cone;39747678]I'm sorry but you're not making a lick of sense here. I just detailed why we know what goes through your head, either stop using that as a defense or stop telling us your opinions. Also: If nothing else you check out for the objectification and denigration part with that "men can't control the urge to be creepy rapey weirdos" spiel, which would directly imply that A) this is a natural thing that shouldn't be interfered with, and B) that any assault, discrimination or denigration is just the result of a woman letting her guard down, and not of the guy who was doing one or all of the above. And by the way, you never did clarify if you're just dumb or if you're to comedy what tetanus is to sheet metal, so if you could clear that up that'd be great.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but it sounds like the whole lot of you can't fucking read AT ALL. What part of "people stare at things/other people when they like said things/other people" does none of you understand, which was what I meant and if you didn't understand that then you're just one of those extremists who take everything to the far side of the topic searching for evil intent, and keep understanding it as "men can't stop being creepy rapists"? It isn't my fault if none of you can't fucking understand such a simple thing and keep ignoring every explanation I give.

why do girls get unconfortable when i stare at their breasts in public i mean its coded in our genes right??? jeez

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;39747762]oh boy another thread turned into those "everyone is a misogynist" shitpost extravaganzas.[/QUOTE] Facepunch has its own bit of armchair activists who apparently are above everyone that has different ideas, and just in case someone presents "grey areas", they'll just twist a few words here and there. [editline]28th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Bobie;39749954]why do girls get unconfortable when i stare at their breasts in public i mean its coded in our genes right??? jeez[/QUOTE] Because I totally said that right? :downs: You even have a screen capture of me saying this, with those precise words, don't you? I TOTALLY didn't meant a guy stares at a woman in public just like a woman can stare at a guy. OH SHIT! I forgot to mention that people of the same sex can do the same! Blast! Now I'll be an anti-gay aswell, wont I? Facepunch really knows how to brand people!