#WomenAgainstFeminism goes viral as people explain why they don't need feminism anymore - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Swilly;45575946]I love how this is on the internet, but people are downplaying the vocal retards. Feminism never engages in damage control, it consistently ignores half the population. I don't care what planet or realm of high bullshit you reside in. The platform is never explained unless you pull teeth. Don't even get me started on how it fucking fragmented and weakened to a point where MRAs are a thing.[/QUOTE] Half is an extremely gratuitous percentage, but if you must know why nobody takes responsibility for their actions it's because nobody feels like they're obligated to do so. Feminist A's actions do not affect Feminist B, so why should they affect Feminist C? ...Of course by scaling things down to just the internet, you can prove that Feminist A's actions [I]do[/I] affect Feminist C, but since Feminist C believes there is no distinction between him/her and Feminist B they will see your proof as insignificant because you still can't prove Feminist A affects Feminist B.

[video=youtube;-q-8aO0niIM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q-8aO0niIM[/video] [editline]2nd August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45570226]you might as well start defending "heterosexual pride" movements[/QUOTE] heterophobic much?

[QUOTE=ShaunOfTheLive;45575808]The word feminism itself is biased. We need egalitarianism.[/QUOTE] more importantly why should we care about changing an easily recognizable name

[QUOTE=ShaunOfTheLive;45575808]The word feminism itself is biased. We need egalitarianism.[/QUOTE] Could somebody please explain why people have this "not feminism, EQUAL RIGHTS!" mindset, aside from them being petulant/petty/thinking that trumblr is feminism? [editline]2nd August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperorconor;45577371]more importantly why should we care about changing an easily recognizable name[/QUOTE] I've already explained this to someone else in a different thread, so I'll bring those posts here. [QUOTE=milkandcooki;45512696]because feminist = gender equalist. there's no need to migrate, at all, you're both. the fact that [I]feminist[/I] is now being seen as a bad word (at least on niche parts of the internet) is an issue. dropping a title with over a hundred years of super progressive history behind it is dumb as heck and won't achieve anything. if you have a feminist mindset, you're a feminist even if you don't call yourself one, sorry. the same type of progress will probably go on in society, sure, [I]but being petty doesn't help at all.[/I] if this trend of abandoning the title of "feminist" becomes a thing, what's going to be next inevitable leap? [I]"person striving for the rights of those who have slight differences between each other either physically and/or mentally based on their preferred gender?" [/I] [I]"everyone person lover?"[/I] [I]"me like not hate fanclub member?" [/I] i mean if you are honestly so upset by tumblr feminists or that one red haired lady that thunderfoot has an entire effigy dedicated to in his closet that you'd drop a title, you might as well stop labeling yourself anything at all because every group you're a part of will always have morons.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=milkandcooki;45513213][b]In reply to a follow-up post saying "Even you have to admit that the feminist movement's image has been tarnished in the past three or four years."[/b] I don't have to admit shit, dude, because that's not how it is at all. Don't put words in my mouth. Say this to somebody who doesn't use the internet that much. Like, go up to your mom or talk to your aunt or some random person on the street and ask them what they think about [I]twitter[/I] and [I]tumblr's[/I] poisoning of feminism. A misleading or factually wrong tumblr post with a hundred thousand notes on it isn't going to significantly harm equal rights, neither are a video series about women in videogames or a misinformed feminist on twitter or youtube, either. Like, I'd honestly argue that MRA bullshit has had [I]more[/I] of a negative impact on feminism, because it encourages this contrarian and totally counter-intuitive cynical bullshit, with this whole "yeah, what about US?????" mentality. We're all on the internet here and I'm assuming that's all that most of us do, but try your hardest to look outside of your own little web bubble and take a look at the grand scheme of things. Social justice* is on the rise, regardless of the tumblr users you're so utterly obsessed with for some asinine reason. Like, apparently this SJW bullshit's been going on for years but the only time I've ever seen it is when crybabies go out of their way to find it and post it here. *Contemplated using a different phrase here, but then I realized that the only people who would criticize me for using it probably don't have anything insightful to say.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;45577510]furry shitpost[/QUOTE] nice to see you joining us in this thread furfag [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("alt of permabanned users" - postal))[/highlight]

And I haven't touched up on the main topic in the thread, so I'll do that. This entire thing is bullshit. Most of the women who support this have no idea what feminism is, are weirdly religious, or are doing it in a creepy slut-shaming type of way. And a handful of women on twitter saying they don't need feminism isn't going to suddenly stop feminism. I mean, I'm a dude and I think we should get rid of the Men's Rights movement. Where's my trending hashtag? Where's my ridiculous amount of upvotes/ratings? [editline]2nd August 2014[/editline] Actually here's something else Why is everyone on this forum, imgur, and reddit so [I]utterly[/I] and [I]completely[/I] obsessed with tumblr? Like, even in threads that have virtually nothing to do with tumblr, like this one, there's always obligatory posts spouting out tumblr-sjw memes like "wow.... check your privilege.... men are rapists... i have ptsd... rate me funny guys!," or bringing up tumblr screencaps from blogs that are probably satire blogs (which are like, half of the blogs featued on imgur/reddit/lmao pics) as a valid argument. I mean, aside from bringing up tumblr sJWs every 30 seconds being a tired and [I]boring ass[/I] meme, it's just not an interesting talking point in an argument. Why would you [I]deliberately[/I] go out of your way to dig up posts from users that aren't even here, that have no idea what they're talking about? I've contemplated doing the same thing with MRAs from reddit and shit, but as I was in the process of making a post I realized how much time I was wasting to dig up shit that does not need to be dug up. Instead of shitting on these tumblr guys and using them as an anchor point for your argument, why not come up with one that doesn't revolve around "hey, what about THIS random person on the internet?"

[video=youtube;9HwfVPmFNlg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HwfVPmFNlg[/video]

can we just ip-filter anyone who posts on /pol/ already

[QUOTE=sdwise;45575970]Can't we all just get along? But seriously, there are two types of feminism. "Stop oppressing me with how you sit on the bus and all men are rapists" feminism and "women should have the same rights as men" feminism. I believe this is more of a response to the first kind than the second.[/QUOTE] You obviously are looking at the 'how men sit vs how women sit' and 'rape culture' concepts and passing sweeping judgements about how ridiculous they are without actually sitting down and reading reasonable explanations of why these things are important to talk about. You're misinterpreting or misunderstanding these things and it's making you look super duper silly [editline]3rd August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;45575946]I love how this is on the internet, but people are downplaying the vocal retards. Feminism never engages in damage control, it consistently ignores half the population. I don't care what planet or realm of high bullshit you reside in. The platform is never explained unless you pull teeth. Don't even get me started on how it fucking fragmented and weakened to a point where MRAs are a thing.[/QUOTE] I think a large part of the problem, and why a big chunk of men see feminism as being destructive or pointless (besides the extremist outlier feminists) is that when you have spent the last 20+ years being taught by everybody you love, trust and respect that 'this is what it means to be a man' and then you suddenly find out that many of these lessons have the effect of belittling, patronising, sidelining and pushing down women, the natural response to this is anger. You've just been taught that the ways you act, think, and the things you believe re: 'how to be a man' are problematic and damaging on a sociocultural level - your sense of self worth is being challenged. Some sort of platform that carefully and empathetically explains to men why most of the things we've been socialised to believe in re: behaviour and gender interactions are damaging to women would be great. A platform that does this in a way that carefully manages and tries to mitigate the inevitable anger and backlash that most men experience when confronted with the facts of feminism would be awesome. A platform that actually defines and explains things like rape culture so that it's not seen as 'huh [B]I'm[/B] not a rapist and most people aren't so why is it called rape culture' but as legitimate and reasonable concepts - which they are when properly discussed.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;45577997]can we just ip-filter anyone who posts on /pol/ already[/QUOTE] want to censor free speech r u

[QUOTE=duke29;45578161]want to censor free speech r u[/QUOTE] facepunch (or just about any forum) isn't the place to practice a democracy and i'm pretty sure people don't want to here "hey hey look at this" over and over from one-shot gimmick accounts

If I said here that men are more prone to violence and women to hold it back and be more cold regarding violence, what would you say?

-nvm i should probably sleep soon-

[QUOTE=Ownederd;45578306]then some current realities would flip around onto their head, but it's not my job (nor should it be anyone's) to worry about purely hypothetical, fictional situations[/QUOTE] Well, because that is what is affirmed by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Pinker"]this [/URL]mr in his latest book and he cites "War and gender" from Goldstein, Men at both ends of racism from Pratto, Sidanius and Venegas; and Feminism and Pacisim: Golstein, 2001; Mueller, 1989.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;45578328]Well, because that is what is affirmed by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Pinker"]this [/URL]mr in his latest book and he cites "War and gender" from Goldstein, Men at both ends of racism from Pratto, Sidanius and Venegas; and Feminism and Pacisim: Golstein, 2001; Mueller, 1989.[/QUOTE] nvm i misread your original post. sorry i'm not exactly 100% atm

[QUOTE=Ownederd;45578306]-nvm i should probably sleep soon-[/QUOTE] pussy [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitpost" - AshMan55))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;45571659]It's funny because I know all the women saying they respect men and therefore don't need feminism mean they only respect men who fit traditional gender roles.[/QUOTE] QFT. They respect men but only if they fulfil their traditional breadwinner role.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;45578342]nvm i misread your original post. sorry i'm not exactly 100% atm[/QUOTE] Yeah me neither, its kinda crazy, I mean, if what some Evo.Psychologists say is right then it has some implications such as trying to encourage more women into leading roles and discourage men from taking those.

[QUOTE=JustExtreme;45580851]QFT. They respect men but only if they fulfil their traditional breadwinner role.[/QUOTE] They're most likely conservatives so I doubt they're too fond of any men who don't fit into masculine roles. If they really wanted gender equality then they wouldn't be against feminism.

Those fucking women dont know what's right for them, I as a white male from the internets will tell them they need feminism!

[QUOTE=Sally;45582446]Those fucking women dont know what's right for them, I as a white male from the internets will tell them they need feminism![/QUOTE] They might feel they don't need feminism, but plenty of other people do.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;45582453]They might feel they don't need feminism, but plenty of other people do.[/QUOTE] But who are those others people? By that Im meaning are the people who believe they need feminism really need it? Are they really effected by what feminism is trying to achieve/stop?

[QUOTE=Sally;45582494]But who are those others people? By that Im meaning are the people who believe they need feminism really need it? Are they really effected by what feminism is trying to achieve/stop?[/QUOTE] Considering there is still a pay gap, legal leanings based on gender and various social stigmas against certain actions depending on which gender you are that many people would rather not have in their life

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;45576711]Half is an extremely gratuitous percentage, but if you must know why nobody takes responsibility for their actions it's because nobody feels like they're obligated to do so. Feminist A's actions do not affect Feminist B, so why should they affect Feminist C? ...Of course by scaling things down to just the internet, you can prove that Feminist A's actions [I]do[/I] affect Feminist C, but since Feminist C believes there is no distinction between him/her and Feminist B they will see your proof as insignificant because you still can't prove Feminist A affects Feminist B.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't everything that's been going on as of recently be that feminist A is affecting B and C. It's comparable to the Republican party's fragmentation.

Comparing feminism to right wing political parties makes sense. The craziest people get elected to represent the movement despite most of the people belonging to the movement being reasonable people only interested in limiting government spending. [QUOTE=carcarcargo;45582556]Considering there is still a pay gap, legal leanings based on gender and various social stigmas against certain actions depending on which gender you are that many people would rather not have in their life[/QUOTE] Pretty sure experience, skill, risk and family are what make this difference. [url]http://ed.ted.com/on/SNpczpn5[/url]

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45583418]Comparing feminism to right wing political parties makes sense. The craziest people get elected to represent the movement despite most of the people belonging to the movement being reasonable people only interested in limiting government spending. Pretty sure experience, skill, risk and family are what make this difference. [url]http://ed.ted.com/on/SNpczpn5[/url][/QUOTE] It's still an issue

The first page of this thread seems awkward as fuck seeing as it's a bunch of (presumed) teenage boys telling these girls they're wrong because they don't want the same thing they do. I know it's hip to call yourself a femnists and get all the internet cred you can but if girls are coming out and saying "cut it out" I think the boys in general should back off, not tell them to shut up and let us continue defending them.

[QUOTE=Sift;45583668]The first page of this thread seems awkward as fuck seeing as it's a bunch of (presumed) teenage boys telling these girls they're wrong because they don't want the same thing they do. I know it's hip to call yourself a femnists and get all the internet cred you can but if girls are coming out and saying "cut it out" I think the boys in general should back off, not tell them to shut up and let us continue defending them.[/QUOTE] "they don't know what they want"

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;45582556]Considering there is still a pay gap, legal leanings based on gender and various social stigmas against certain actions depending on which gender you are that many people would rather not have in their life[/QUOTE] The pay gap thing always confused me, I would assume there is a statistical gap in pay between men and women because more women are unemployed as a result of them being married, having kids, etc. You know, nuclear family roles. A woman applying for the same position as a man would not get paid 77 cents (or whatever the arbitrary value was this week) less for the same work.

[QUOTE=Sift;45583668]The first page of this thread seems awkward as fuck seeing as it's a bunch of (presumed) teenage boys telling these girls they're wrong because they don't want the same thing they do. I know it's hip to call yourself a femnists and get all the internet cred you can but if girls are coming out and saying "cut it out" I think the boys in general should back off, not tell them to shut up and let us continue defending them.[/QUOTE] Except that these twitter posts are highly misinformed about what feminism is and instead takes a very, VERY small minority of feminists on tumblr posting dumb shit as the new face of the feminist movement. Most of these posts reflect a sheltered, middle class upbringing so no shit they would feel as they do, but the fact of the matter is that feminism is objectively beneficial to the social, economic and political stature of women. Also, it's dumb to exclude 50% of the population from the argument of gender equality.