#WomenAgainstFeminism goes viral as people explain why they don't need feminism anymore - Polidicks

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;45567778]I think that it is somewhat disappointing that you mock them for their non acceptance of feminism. If they do not think they need feminism that is their opinion and thy have a right to have it. Maybe starting an intelligent conversation on the matter would be helpful, but I doubt that mocking them for their spelling and saying they are idiots for not accepting the same ideals as you is helping anything at all[/QUOTE] Mocking someone's spelling isn't the same as dismissing what they're saying, but when I see this weird misspelled creepy psuedo-religious thing I might dismiss it [i]just a little[/i].

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;45567778]I think that it is somewhat disappointing that you mock them for their non acceptance of feminism. If they do not think they need feminism that is their opinion and thy have a right to have it. Maybe starting an intelligent conversation on the matter would be helpful, but I doubt that mocking them for their spelling and saying they are idiots for not accepting the same ideals as you is helping anything at all[/QUOTE] nobody's saying they're idiots because they're not accepting feminism, they're idiots because they're completely misunderstanding the movement and trying to justify it in the stupidest way possible

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;45567778]I think that it is somewhat disappointing that you mock them for their non acceptance of feminism. If they do not think they need feminism that is their opinion and thy have a right to have it. Maybe starting an intelligent conversation on the matter would be helpful, but I doubt that mocking them for their spelling and saying they are idiots for not accepting the same ideals as you is helping anything at all[/QUOTE] Yeah it's like they're treating them as ignorant little children who don't realize how good they have it. Kind of like a feminist version of "Nice Guy Syndrome": "Look at all the nice stuff we feminists have done for you and this is how you repay us! You owe us! We should just dump you back where we found you if you're going to act like that!" (the last part is obviously metaphorical).

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45567808]nobody's saying they're idiots because they're not accepting feminism, they're idiots because they're completely misunderstanding the movement and trying to justify it in the stupidest way possible[/QUOTE] Its a huge movement. Feminists themselves disagree on what feminism actually is. [QUOTE=Lachz0r;45567683]rangergxi says shit like that all the time but he also constantly posts threads shitting on any kind of feminism, it's obvious he doesn't actually give a crap about a gender equality movement he just hates feminism[/QUOTE] All you do is insult me instead of actually making arguments.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45567406]How about we form some kind of "gender equality movement" or something. You know. Instead of having this MRA v Feminism thing.[/QUOTE] Why is this getting so many dumbs? I think there's pretty good reasons to dislike both modern feminism [I]and[/I] men's rights activism, namely because they pick and choose issues instead of actively addressing the root of the problem: gender roles. This video presents a decent examination of gender roles, their place in modern and historical society, modern feminism, and it also touches on the reactionary birth of men's rights activism as well. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA[/media]

[QUOTE=hexpunK;45567653]Despite how much you love to think it isn't, Feminism is for equality of both genders.[/QUOTE] Gotta admit though, they chose the worst possible name for it. Start an equality movement, exclude one side from the name. That's why so many people don't associate with it, it'd really be in everybody's best interests to rename it. Then the misandrists cannot hijack it nearly as easily, and the name wouldn't be tainted by said misandrists.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45567822]Its a huge movement. Feminists themselves disagree on what feminism actually is.[/QUOTE] And that's why it's a far more robust ideology than a bunch of guys on reddit who have come together to say that feminism=bad and nothing else. This isn't to say that there aren't certain universal aspects to feminism, because there are. "Women should have the same opportunities and receive the same treatment as men" is pretty much a core tenet of it and if you don't agree with that you're basically not a feminist by definition.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;45567849]misandrists[/QUOTE] Shots fired :v:

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;45567849]Gotta admit though, they chose the worst possible name for it. Start an equality movement, exclude one side from the name.[/QUOTE] I don't understand why only feminism is attacked this way. Should gay rights activists be shunned for not including straight rights in their name?

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45567822]Its a huge movement. Feminists themselves disagree on what feminism actually is.[/QUOTE] why do you make it seem like there's a huge portion of feminists who actually disagree with the basic premises of the movement? i can't say i've ever seen this happen

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;45567849]Gotta admit though, they chose the worst possible name for it. Start an equality movement, exclude one side from the name. That's why so many people don't associate with it, it'd really be in everybody's best interests to rename it. Then the misandrists cannot hijack it nearly as easily, and the name wouldn't be tainted by said misandrists.[/QUOTE] When the movement was started women had it turboshit, it made sense to name it majorly after the group it was targeting. Now women have a fair shot at a lot of things the name is a bit less on target, but at its core the movement is still about getting women to the same level as men first, then fixing issues left over if any exist. Changing the name of the movement isn't possible, you'd just be creating another splinter movement, of which feminism has a decent number already. Just stop worrying about the details of the name, recognise it has history and reason, and work together instead of this petty "but what about meeee???" shit.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;45567860]And that's why it's a far more robust ideology than a bunch of guys on reddit who have come together to say that feminism=bad and nothing else.[/QUOTE] This whole MRA/Feminism internet war type thing comes from the fact that elements within both of these groups refuse to acknowledge that gender roles negatively affect the other gender.

[QUOTE=NiandraLades;45567724]I find this sort of thing quite embarrassing, honestly, and am very happy to see this getting dumbs. What people need to realize is that the world does not revolve around them, just because you do not feel oppressed or that you need feminism, does not mean that everyone thinks the same way or is indeed the same position. Also what's even worse is that most of the women seem to be white and almost all of the arguments they've written on paper are often said by misogynists.[/QUOTE] You've hit the nail on the head there. If people think they don't need feminism then there's no need for them to try and stop people who do. Also those who say it "destroys families" are simply ridiculous, just because their age-old idea of the nuclear family is being disrupted doesn't mean modern families are torn apart by women who work for their wages.

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;45567377]Sorry but when women cannot get abortions safely in many states in the US you clearly do need feminism[/QUOTE] No. We need fair, sensible legislation that gives them control over their own bodies.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45567882]This whole MRA/Feminism internet war type thing comes from the fact that elements within both of these groups refuse to acknowledge that gender roles negatively affect the other gender.[/QUOTE] yes i'm sure every single feminist in the entire world refuses to acknowledge that

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;45567849]Gotta admit though, they chose the worst possible name for it. Start an equality movement, exclude one side from the name. That's why so many people don't associate with it, it'd really be in everybody's best interests to rename it. Then the misandrists cannot hijack it nearly as easily, and the name wouldn't be tainted by said misandrists.[/QUOTE] I think the name itself misleads uneducated people to mistakenly believe that feminism is only about women's rights, which it isn't. Unfortunately, the feminist movement has gained so many vocal followers who don't understand the true values of feminism that I doubt the cause is going to gain the credibility and recognition it sought and fought for for so long.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;45567849]Gotta admit though, they chose the worst possible name for it. Start an equality movement, exclude one side from the name. That's why so many people don't associate with it, it'd really be in everybody's best interests to rename it. Then the misandrists cannot hijack it nearly as easily, and the name wouldn't be tainted by said misandrists.[/QUOTE] except the very idea of feminism is that men have it better than woman and it's goal is to balance the playing field let me make it simpler: men = 1 women = 0 feminism seeks to make it 1:1 how is that not equality? what is it that MRA focus on that feminism doesn't?

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45567893]yes i'm sure every single feminist in the entire world refuses to acknowledge that[/QUOTE] When did he even say that? When did "elements within" become equal to "every single one?"

[QUOTE=Zeke129;45567876]I don't understand why only feminism is attacked this way. Should gay rights activists be shunned for not including straight rights in their name?[/QUOTE] i've never heard a gay rights campaigner claim their movement is attempting to benefit anyone but gay people though and in fact that's a terrible example because most people identify as LGBT campaigners as they're trying to represent all of them under one movement not even going to get involved in this argument, but that your point makes no sense seeing as 'gay rights' [I]has[/I] actually changed to include other genders/orientations in the name, and so become LGBT

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;45567884] Also those who say it "destroys families" are simply ridiculous, just because their age-old idea of the nuclear family is being disrupted doesn't mean modern families are torn apart by women who work for their wages.[/QUOTE] Can confirm this. Both of my parents have worked full time for my whole life, far back as I can remember, and I grew up just fine. Matter of fact I'm part of the, sadly, minority of kids who's parents A: stayed together B: still love each other.

[QUOTE=TestECull;45567889]No. We need fair, sensible legislation that gives them control over their own bodies.[/QUOTE] that's what feminism tries to accomplish ya dingus

[QUOTE=TestECull;45567889]No. We need fair, sensible legislation that gives them control over their own bodies.[/QUOTE] And you wont get that without a movement pushing for it, because the oldmen in power sure as shit don't give a fuck about a woman having the right to control their body. After all, why should they care? They're largely white, middle class or higher males who could afford umpteen abortions for their trophy wives.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;45567901]When did he even say that? When did "elements within" become equal to "every single one?"[/QUOTE] my b didn't even see that

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;45567897]except the very idea of feminism is that men have it better than woman and it's goal is to balance the playing field let me make it simpler: men = 1 women = 0 feminism seeks to make it 1:1 how is that not equality? what is it that MRA focus on that feminism doesn't?[/QUOTE] I'm not trying to debate against feminism here, but that's a woefully inadequate description of the problem. That description completely forgets that men have issues too.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45567893]yes i'm sure every single feminist in the entire world refuses to acknowledge that[/QUOTE] We both know that "Elements within both of these groups" doesn't mean "Every single feminist", stop strawmanning so hard.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;45567923]I'm not trying to debate against feminism here, but that's a woefully inadequate description of the problem. That description completely forgets that men have issues too.[/QUOTE] Great, issues such as? Preferential treatment in child custody for women is a fairly interesting one sure. False rape claims are another one I see people fuel this point with, they're statistically insignificant so fuck it. Feminism attempts to sort this shit out anyway by trying to educate people on rape. When women are 1:1 with men, they get all the problems we have too, good for them I guess? Once women are actually taken seriously as politicians, leaders of enterprise, etc. then we can put more focus on the minor issues men tend to face. Until that point, they aren't very important.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45567882]This whole MRA/Feminism internet war type thing comes from the fact that elements within both of these groups refuse to acknowledge that gender roles negatively affect the other gender.[/QUOTE] Feminists have been acknowledging that gender roles negatively affect men since the very beginning. The things that MRAs complain about today, men being burdened with dangerous work, men not being able to see their kids as much as they'd like, etc, would be directly addressed by achieving some of feminism's first goals. Namely, no longer shoehorning women into the role of caretaker and getting more women into the workforce.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;45567923]I'm not trying to debate against feminism here, but that's a woefully inadequate description of the problem. That description completely forgets that men have issues too.[/QUOTE] like what, seriously, tell me child court cases? stems from the gender role idea that women are better caretakers and shit where they're supposed to stay in the kitchen or something, guess who fights that? feminism men are supposed to be masculine while women have to be feminine? another gender role, guess who fights that? feminism fights that the idea that men's domestic violence and sexual abuse issues are being ignored? gender role idea that men are supposed to be tougher than women and should be ashamed if they ain't manly enough to do it, and men are supposed to love sex ( "hey bro, you should love it!!" ). guess who fights that? feminism

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;45567951]like what, seriously, tell me child court cases? stems from the gender role idea that women are better caretakers and shit where they're supposed to stay in the kitchen or something, guess who fights that? feminism men are supposed to be masculine while women have to be feminine? another gender role, guess who fights that? feminism fights that the idea that men's domestic violence and sexual abuse issues are being ignored? gender role idea that men are supposed to be tougher than women and should be ashamed if they ain't manly enough to do it, and men are supposed to love sex ( "hey bro, you should love it!!" ). guess who fights that? feminism[/QUOTE] yeah but the name doesn't have anything like man or male in it alright! i'm not going to bother learning about something i look at the name and that's that

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;45567951]like what, seriously, tell me child court cases? stems from the gender role idea that women are better caretakers and shit where they're supposed to stay in the kitchen or something, guess who fights that? feminism men are supposed to be masculine while women have to be feminine? another gender role, guess who fights that? feminism fights that the idea that men's domestic violence and sexual abuse issues are being ignored? gender role idea that men are supposed to be tougher than women and should be ashamed if they ain't manly enough to do it, and men are supposed to love sex ( "hey bro, you should love it!!" ). guess who fights that? feminism[/QUOTE] A few issues I have personally are that women don't have to train to the same standards as men to serve the same military positions as them, and they also don't have to register for the draft, despite now being able to now take any position in the military. I also have problems with the way possesions are distributed in divorce cases. There are more issues than this, but these are ones I personally have problems with.