#WomenAgainstFeminism goes viral as people explain why they don't need feminism anymore - Polidicks

i know it was humourous that's why i laughed at it. and well maybe it's just me but i think people who slutshame should be dismissed when it comes to their opinions on feminism because they clearly have a twisted view when it comes to women

If you know it's a joke why you think I'm calling you sexist? How twisted are we talking here because slut shaming is a spectrum from Burqas to $5 handjobs outside a gas station, no set definition for a slut and using the word doesn't tell anything about where they draw the line. Either way a lot of that slut shaming is done by women and it's probably not cool to dismiss their views about women just because they might be a bit prudish. Hell, the fact that women themselves don't all fall into the one political view on these issues shouldn't be surprising, but it's no grounds to think they're twisted just because they disagree with you.

i think you're calling me sexist because you're clearly trying to imply it for some sort of HAHA HOW IRONIC, THE FEMINIST IS IN FACT THE SEXIST ONE vibe acting like i'm dismissing women's views. as you said, women don't all fall into one political view group, i'm dismissing morons like the one that thinks feminism is all about defending 'sluts'. and i don't think people who are 'a bit prudish' use extremely sexist slurs

Well adjusted normal people rebel against extremely loud minority of people angry at everything. About time.

[QUOTE=acds;45570015]Well adjusted normal people rebel against extremely loud minority of people angry at everything. About time.[/QUOTE] yes it's about time we rebelled against the tyranny of people who say stupid shit on tumblr [editline]2nd August 2014[/editline] rise up brothers and sisters, break the shackles of cherry picked tumblr screenshots

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;45570014]i think you're calling me sexist because you're clearly trying to imply it for some sort of HAHA HOW IRONIC, THE FEMINIST IS IN FACT THE SEXIST ONE vibe acting like i'm dismissing women's views. as you said, women don't all fall into one political view group, i'm dismissing morons like the one that thinks feminism is all about defending 'sluts'. and i don't think people who are 'a bit prudish' use extremely sexist slurs[/QUOTE] I think it's kinda funny, but I know you're not trying to be sexist and I figured that kind of odd attitude in dismissing women's views while acting like you are working in their best interest might seem odd to you too, as long as you didn't have an unshakable belief in your own virtue. I don't think slut, like any gendered insult such as dickhead or bitch, is particularly sexist, but that's my opinion on the matter. Either way the point she was making is that she feels feminism is pushing for sexual liberation to a point she is not comfortable with, and continually pushing it in the belief that it is in the interest of women goes against what she believes. After all, if a movement is pushing for something you don't want, isn't it reasonable to oppose it?

Feminism is good, whatever tumblr has corrupted it to be is the problem. It's supposed to be about equality and freedom, not "getting even" against men.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;45570076]I think it's kinda funny, but I know you're not trying to be sexist and I figured that kind of odd attitude in dismissing women's views while acting like you are working in their best interest might seem odd to you too, as long as you didn't have an unshakable belief in your own virtue. I don't think slut, like any gendered insult such as dickhead or bitch, is particularly sexist, but that's my opinion on the matter. Either way the point she was making is that she feels feminism is pushing for sexual liberation to a point she is not comfortable with, and continually pushing it in the belief that it is in the interest of women goes against what she believes. After all, if a movement is pushing for something you don't want, isn't it reasonable to oppose it?[/QUOTE] If a movement is pushing for liberation in an area of life that you don't feel comfortable being liberated in - in this case sex - that's fine. But she doesn't get to oppose it on that ground. A good metaphor to use would be a slave trying to discredit a movement to free slaves simply because he's quite comfortable being a slave.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;45570076]I think it's kinda funny, but I know you're not trying to be sexist and I figured that kind of odd attitude in dismissing women's views while acting like you are working in their best interest might seem odd to you too, as long as you didn't have an unshakable belief in your own virtue. I don't think slut, like any gendered insult such as dickhead or bitch, is particularly sexist, but that's my opinion on the matter. Either way the point she was making is that she feels feminism is pushing for sexual liberation to a point she is not comfortable with, and continually pushing it in the belief that it is in the interest of women goes against what she believes. After all, if a movement is pushing for something you don't want, isn't it reasonable to oppose it?[/QUOTE] except i'm not dismissing the views because they're held by women. and well i think it's weird that you think slut isn't particularly sexist but okay whatever. and sure, if she's against it it's reasonable for her to oppose it, so what? doesn't stop her from being a moron. westboro baptist church are against gay marriage, so it's reasonable for them to oppose it [editline]2nd August 2014[/editline] she is literally slutshaming people for wearing clothes she doens't agree with, which is funny because you were making a comparison concerning burqas on your little sexual liberation spectrum just before

[QUOTE=Qwerty Bastard;45570088]Feminism is good, whatever tumblr has corrupted it to be is the problem. It's supposed to be about equality and freedom, not "getting even" against men.[/QUOTE] If you really think a few dumb posts thrown around tumblr are "corrupting" feminism then your scope is too narrow.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;45570076]I think it's kinda funny, but I know you're not trying to be sexist and I figured that kind of odd attitude in dismissing women's views while acting like you are working in their best interest might seem odd to you too, as long as you didn't have an unshakable belief in your own virtue. I don't think slut, like any gendered insult such as dickhead or bitch, is particularly sexist, but that's my opinion on the matter. Either way the point she was making is that she feels feminism is pushing for sexual liberation to a point she is not comfortable with, and continually pushing it in the belief that it is in the interest of women goes against what she believes. After all, if a movement is pushing for something you don't want, isn't it reasonable to oppose it?[/QUOTE] How the fuck is "slut" not sexist

[QUOTE=Qwerty Bastard;45570088]Feminism is good, whatever tumblr has corrupted it to be is the problem. It's supposed to be about equality and freedom, not "getting even" against men.[/QUOTE] we did a whole buttload of establishing a few pages back and what we established was: 'tumblr feminist' is a dumb dang silly old phrase with a whole lot of problems and nothing to make it worth using in reasonable conversation [editline]2nd August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45570142]How the fuck is "slut" not sexist[/QUOTE] Exactly. The whole point of 'slut' is to say 'you lady who has sex for fun and not as part of a serious relationship are bad and awful and deemed unworthy'. Whereas men who do the same get called playa and pimp and mack daddy and charlie sheen. Demonisation vs exaltation

[QUOTE=hexpunK;45567653]Sooooo...Feminism? Despite how much you love to think it isn't, Feminism is for equality of both genders. However, as there is currently more inequality that negatively effects women, that is where the focus is obviously going to be. Things like "mens rights" are largely a laughing stock, a splinter of neo-reactionary ideologies upheld by dudebros and teens with massive victim complexes, but who aren't brave enough to go full reactionary.[/QUOTE] I just dont understand why its called feminism if its equality for BOTH genders

[QUOTE=Kannata;45570163]I just dont understand why its called feminism if its equality for BOTH genders[/QUOTE] because if you make women equal with men then men will be equal with women

[QUOTE=Kannata;45570163]I just dont understand why its called feminism if its equality for BOTH genders[/QUOTE] Because women have the shittiest deal by far, and men have classically (and still do to a large extent) had control over the media and mainstream creative outlets (thus culture, which directly informs and influences the opinions of men and women) which means we live in a patriarchy (or, a society run primarily by men), which means all of us men (and especially white men) are waaaaaaay up here, playing the game of life on easy mode (yes we have our individual issues but society itself is largely geared towards pushing us upwards), while women (and other groups which are a minority in terms of social power) are waaaaaaaay down there, playing life on hard mode. So the aim is to bring women up to where we are in terms of social standing, opportunities, being able to walk the streets without fear of being abused, etc, etc, etc. Yes men have [I]some[/I] issues that they face in their interaction with society, but these issues are largely birthed from and spread by men (and our male-dominated media). Stuff like not being allowed to express feelings, not being allowed to be perceived as weak, etc. Also note that, in that last point, being 'weak' (by acting emotional, crying, etc) often results in guys being told they are 'acting like a girl' or similar; thus we come full circle, and even our own male issues are directly related to the fact that society says women are supposed to be weak (thus lesser) and men are supposed to be strong (thus dominant). It's hard not to feel blame, or as though the blame is being pinned on we as individual men for this issue. We've all perpetuated these opinions, but by being conscious of the issues and having well rounded, informed opinions we can all work to clean this mess up.

[QUOTE=Maloof?;45567419]Because 99.999% of MRA beliefs and points of discussion are ridiculous[/QUOTE] there's plenty of posts relating to actual positive points about mens rights (on tumblr no less), its just that they get no attention and no one gives a shit because it's whats cool to hate right now these threads are literally always filled with responses going on about how at it's core, feminism is a good thing, just corrupted by a harmful minority; and then in the same breath these people bitch about mens rights even though that's in the same exact situation

[QUOTE=Bazsil;45570206]there's plenty of posts relating to actual positive points about mens rights (on tumblr no less), its just that they get no attention and no one gives a shit because it's whats cool to hate right now these threads are literally always filled with responses going on about how at it's core, feminism is a good thing, just corrupted by a harmful minority; and then in the same breath these people bitch about mens rights even though that's in the same exact situation[/QUOTE] okay, show us the positive sides of MRA. what is it the MRA guys fight for? [editline]2nd August 2014[/editline] because i'm fucking dying to hear about the struggle for the missing rights of the white male, i sure as fuck haven't felt it yet.

[QUOTE=Bazsil;45570206]there's plenty of posts relating to actual positive points about mens rights (on tumblr no less), its just that they get no attention and no one gives a shit because it's whats cool to hate right now these threads are literally always filled with responses going on about how at it's core, feminism is a good thing, just corrupted by a harmful minority; and then in the same breath these people bitch about mens rights even though that's in the same exact situation[/QUOTE] cool i guess? please tell me what MRAs have done for me

[QUOTE=Bazsil;45570206]there's plenty of posts relating to actual positive points about mens rights (on tumblr no less), its just that they get no attention and no one gives a shit because it's whats cool to hate right now these threads are literally always filled with responses going on about how at it's core, feminism is a good thing, just corrupted by a harmful minority; and then in the same breath these people bitch about mens rights even though that's in the same exact situation[/QUOTE] The only MRA issues I've heard of that hold any sway are circumcision and custody. The custody one was explained earlier in the thread as being essentially a null point in modern legal proceedings. The circumcision one effects women as well, only it's centered in a different religious belief.

[QUOTE=Bazsil;45570206]there's plenty of posts relating to actual positive points about mens rights (on tumblr no less), its just that they get no attention and no one gives a shit because it's whats cool to hate right now these threads are literally always filled with responses going on about how at it's core, feminism is a good thing, just corrupted by a harmful minority; and then in the same breath these people bitch about mens rights even though that's in the same exact situation[/QUOTE] you might as well start defending "heterosexual pride" movements

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45570226]you might as well start defending "heterosexual pride" movements[/QUOTE] gays are stealing the limelight! uh oh

[QUOTE=Maloof?;45570097]If a movement is pushing for liberation in an area of life that you don't feel comfortable being liberated in - in this case sex - that's fine. But she doesn't get to oppose it on that ground. A good metaphor to use would be a slave trying to discredit a movement to free slaves simply because he's quite comfortable being a slave.[/QUOTE] If slaves didn't want to be freed then you don't really have a right to do it on their behalf. It's obviously bullshit that they wouldn't want it, but this isn't slavery we're talking about, it's pushing the boundaries of sexuality and it gets a lot more iffy than freedom or slavery. Liberalism does not and never has worked by coming up with something new and implementing it just because it's more liberal. You come up with something and the old guard opposes it, but if it's worth a damn and it gets enough support then it can push through that conservative element. If the people who are stakeholders in the issue do not support further liberalisation and you are trying to implement things that they don't want to do, they have every right to oppose it. [QUOTE=Lachz0r;45570118]except i'm not dismissing the views because they're held by women. and well i think it's weird that you think slut isn't particularly sexist but okay whatever. and sure, if she's against it it's reasonable for her to oppose it, so what? doesn't stop her from being a moron. westboro baptist church are against gay marriage, so it's reasonable for them to oppose it [editline]2nd August 2014[/editline] she is literally slutshaming people for wearing clothes she doens't agree with, which is funny because you were making a comparison concerning burqas on your little sexual liberation spectrum just before[/QUOTE] You're gonna have to point out where you got the clothing shame thing from because I can't see how you divined that. But I guess you do have some principle there, you pretend everyone who disagrees must be a moron just because they disagree, whether they are male or female. I just thought that because feminism aims to bring about what women want, you might listen to what some women actually want rather assuming what they want. [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45570142]How the fuck is "slut" not sexist[/QUOTE] The entire point of gendered insults is that they insult how someone acts with reference to their gender. Calling a man a pussy or a dickhead is always in reference to being a man, the same as a woman being called a slut or a bitch are in reference to being female. They do not exist as a double standard, they exist because of differing gender ideals, and unless you think that cultural gender dimorphism on its own is a problem then I do not think they are sexist. It might not be nice, same as calling a man a pussy is a problem for emotional support as it encourages men to bottle up their emotions, but it's not really trying to keep the entire gender down.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;45567652]i like all the slut-shaming ones. great reason to not need feminism, because we need to continue demonizing women for being sexual[/QUOTE] it's about demonizing them for being promiscuous, not sexual. which I completely agree with. this is very good hashtag, and i think only fags disagree.

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;45567778]I think that it is somewhat disappointing that you mock them for their non acceptance of feminism. If they do not think they need feminism that is their opinion and thy have a right to have it. Maybe starting an intelligent conversation on the matter would be helpful, but I doubt that mocking them for their spelling and saying they are idiots for not accepting the same ideals as you is helping anything at all[/QUOTE] Uhm hello this is facepunch collectively people here think theyre cool but in reality every single person here is worth jackshit lmaoo

[QUOTE=Devodiere;45570254]The entire point of gendered insults is that they insult how someone acts with reference to their gender. Calling a man a pussy or a dickhead is always in reference to being a man, the same as a woman being called a slut or a bitch are in reference to being female. They do not exist as a double standard, they exist because of differing gender ideals, and unless you think that cultural gender dimorphism on its own is a problem then I do not think they are sexist. It might not be nice, same as calling a man a pussy is a problem for emotional support as it encourages men to bottle up their emotions, but it's not really trying to keep the entire gender down.[/QUOTE] If an insult is targeted towards a certain gender and cannot be used for the other one, it is, by definition, sexist. If you seriously think that an insult is only sexist when it "keeps the entire gender down" then you have no idea what sexism is

[QUOTE=Devodiere;45570254]You're gonna have to point out where you got the clothing shame thing from because I can't see how you divined that. But I guess you do have some principle there, you pretend everyone who disagrees must be a moron just because they disagree, whether they are male or female. I just thought that because feminism aims to bring about what women want, you might listen to what some women actually want rather assuming what they want. The entire point of gendered insults is that they insult how someone acts with reference to their gender. Calling a man a pussy or a dickhead is always in reference to being a man, the same as a woman being called a slut or a bitch are in reference to being female. They do not exist as a double standard, they exist because of differing gender ideals, and unless you think that cultural gender dimorphism on its own is a problem then I do not think they are sexist. It might not be nice, same as calling a man a pussy is a problem for emotional support as it encourages men to bottle up their emotions, but it's not really trying to keep the entire gender down.[/QUOTE] 'walk around shameless like a slut'. not even gonna bother with the rest of that part of your post since you clearly didn't bother with the rest of mine! and no slut is an insult to put down women who are considered promiscuous by whatever ridiculous standard the idiot who said it hold them to.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;45570254] The entire point of gendered insults is that they insult how someone acts with reference to their gender. Calling a man a pussy or a dickhead is always in reference to being a man, the same as a woman being called a slut or a bitch are in reference to being female. They do not exist as a double standard, they exist because of differing gender ideals, and unless you think that cultural gender dimorphism on its own is a problem then I do not think they are sexist.[/QUOTE] Cultural gender dimorphism is a problem; it's the entire basis of gender roles, which is where this entire mess springs from. The idea that men can sleep around and be given a pat on the back for it, and women can sleep around and get looked down on for it comes directly from that institution.

[QUOTE=Kannata;45570163]I just dont understand why its called feminism if its equality for BOTH genders[/QUOTE] A large amount of gender-related issues that males suffer can be solved through feminism.

tl;dr; men can fuck everybody but women can only fuck their long term boyfriend and if women choose a different lifestyle they are bad dang merge

[QUOTE=Maloof?;45570312]tl;dr; men can fuck everybody but women can only fuck their long term boyfriend and if women choose a different lifestyle they are bad dang merge[/QUOTE] don't forget that they're also a frigid bitch if they don't fuck me