#WomenAgainstFeminism goes viral as people explain why they don't need feminism anymore - Polidicks

I really want to know how many of these people actually know any feminists in real life. Like, my first reaction to that 'feminists say women can't stay at home and be a loyal wife!' is as long as it's you deciding for yourself and you don't criticize others for feeling differently, then that's perfectly fine, it's your life.

[QUOTE=NiandraLades;45570848]I really want to know how many of these people actually know any feminists in real life. Like, my first reaction to that 'feminists say women can't stay at home and be a loyal wife!' is as long as it's you deciding for yourself and you don't criticize others for feeling differently, then that's perfectly fine, it's your life.[/QUOTE] I have two people I knew from school whos entire existence on Facebook involves posting articles about rape culture and how all men contribute to it. [I]All men[/I], no exceptions. Once a guy posted a logical, reasoned argument against an article one of the girls posted and she then said "She didn't want to share her opinion anymore because the patriarchy is pushing her opinion down" because his argument pushed hers down

[QUOTE=mchapra;45570801]cant we all just sit down and laugh our asses off at this hilarious shit: [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/qV5mWe5.png[/IMG] actually thats kinda fucking depressing nvm [editline]2nd August 2014[/editline] yes a website with no groundings in the real world full of a very vocal minority with no platform to stand on and probably arent much of the activists they claim to be talking about how much they hate men are really affecting feminism[/QUOTE] It doesn't help when famous feminists like Linda Gordon and Robin Morgan are saying stuff like this [QUOTE]"The nuclear family must be destroyed... Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process." [/QUOTE] or this [QUOTE]"We can't destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage." [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Impact1986;45571181]It doesn't help when famous feminists like Linda Gordon and Robin Morgan are saying stuff like this or this[/QUOTE] They're only famous because opponents of feminism latch onto them. EDIT: in a way, it's kinda disgusting how people have managed to demonize feminism to such a degree that people are against it on principle, even if feminism is in their best interest (i.e. most women, and a lot of men who don't fit in the traditional ideal of masculinity.)

[QUOTE=Impact1986;45571181]It doesn't help when famous feminists like Linda Gordon and Robin Morgan are saying stuff like this[/QUOTE] You mean those two Second Wavers who have only ever been taken seriously by opponents of feminism or completely insane radicals?

Getting rid of the ideal "nuclear family" would probably be a good thing, but not as a literal "break up marriages" kinda deal. Not everybody has to be married with 2.5 kids with a house with a white picket fence, but many people still use that as the "ideal" that should be aspired to.

People are free to say stupid shit, which is why feminism exist, why radical feminism exists, and why uneducated idiots who know nothing about the matter exist. Then again this applies to both these people in the pictures and Facepunch so I guess we're not as different as some may think :v:

Man I think if women everywhere are missing the point of feminism it kind of follows that feminism is a confused and flawed movement. I can attest to the fact that different 'feminists' want different things, and it's no surprise that these women 'don't understand feminism' because its definition seems to differ from person to person...

[QUOTE=Impact1986;45571181]It doesn't help when famous feminists like Linda Gordon and Robin Morgan are saying stuff like this or this[/QUOTE] do you have a google alerts set up for this stuff so you can post random strawmen and quotes from people who have been discredited??

[QUOTE=Cabbage;45571300]Man I think if women everywhere are missing the point of feminism it kind of follows that feminism is a confused and flawed movement. I can attest to the fact that different 'feminists' want different things, and it's no surprise that these women 'don't understand feminism' because its definition seems to differ from person to person...[/QUOTE] There have been many opposing ideologies and waves of feminism over the centuries but this current widespread misinterpretation and opposition of it seems to be largely rooted in backlash against the radical internet feminists of recent years. Sadly they're the people that cause the most outrage and garner the most attention.

The only reason the tumblr feminism argument is still relevant is because Whenever someone even says the t word in a thread like this you guy start a 5 page rebuttal focusing against it

[QUOTE=mchapra;45571363]do you have a google alerts set up for this stuff so you can post random strawmen and quotes from people who have been discredited??[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure he does, along with alerts for news articles for "woman does bad thing"

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;45571374]The only reason the tumblr feminism argument is still relevant is because Whenever someone even says the t word in a thread like this you guy start a 5 page rebuttal focusing against it[/QUOTE] Good point, but I guess it's like the old racism debate. Is it better to actively oppose it, or ignore it in hopes of it going away?

[QUOTE=Another Hater;45567380]Also known as people who dont know what feminism is[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=gk99;45567395]*radical overzealous "feminism" Women are still getting underpaid and shit, but the issue is the extremist freaks proclaiming that all men are pigs etc. We need feminism, we just need to ditch the vocal minority.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=FlashMarsh;45567377]Sorry but when women cannot get abortions safely in many states in the US you clearly do need feminism[/QUOTE] Actually, I believe this movement here is actually right. They are obviously taking a jab at the feminism we see on the internet today and radical feminism altogether, which is complete utter trash that just gives real feminism a bad image.

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;45571445]They are [B]obviously[/B] taking a jab at the feminism we see on the internet today and radical feminism altogether[/QUOTE] So many pages of people speculating, says to me that it [I]isn't obvious[/I] what these women are against. A lot of people here, say that these women aren't against true feminism: they define feminism as X, Y and Z. But they fail to accept that feminism is a collective intelligence based ideology. It is very loosely defined by its advocates, and their behavior. tumblr feminists are a small sub-group within the feminist collective, but they are a vocal minority and they do indeed give feminism a bad reputation. Taking their hashtag literally, they are against feminism. [I]Apparently.[/I] But reading into their posts: [t]https://i.imgur.com/pexYMOB.png[/t][t]https://i.imgur.com/Qtjfp7q.png[/t][t]https://i.imgur.com/qV5mWe5.png[/t][t]http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2014/08/01/1227010/589316-a6d01982-194d-11e4-bf72-fc0acc2f37ad.jpg[/t] It seems that they are against man hating, victim blamelessness, female dominance of society, crying wolf with the oppression of women, anti-feminine attitudes and the destruction of the nuclear family. Though... I really can't grasp what this one is against... [t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BteYQdjIQAAgl0y.jpg:large[/t] Not only does she say gibberish about a god in the gap. She says she's never been discriminated against... Which is perplexing. I'd have to believe, she simply isn't aware of the discrimination she has encountered.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;45569664] Plenty of people are non-practising Muslims, and although they were born and by many accounts still are Muslims, they are unassociated with Islam. Because Islam is participatory in this respect, it generally isn't judging someone on factors they cannot control to condemn Islam as opposed to condemning all Muslims unconditionally. The No True Scotsman thing comes into play when defending the ideology from criticism. People might say Islam is violent and oppressive to women, and someone else says that [I]true[/I] Islam is peaceful and equal before Allah. People might say that feminism focusses solely on womens issues, and someone else says that [I]true[/I] feminism focusses on all gender equality. I don't know how that's related to what Kristviljan or Last or First said, but plenty of other people are doing the same thing in this thread.[/QUOTE] Considering the example for "no true Scotsman" is some dude trying to make a sweeping generalization about an entire group of people, one which is unrelated to the basis of that group, in the face of contradictory examples it's not really the same thing as feminism which is by definition supposed to be about gender equality, so if you aren't, yeah, you aren't a true feminist. It's not fallacious, it's logic. It's more like saying "No true Scotsman is not from Scotland and has no Scottish heritage"

It's funny because I know all the women saying they respect men and therefore don't need feminism mean they only respect men who fit traditional gender roles.

[QUOTE=Kardia;45571597]Not only does she say gibberish about a god in the gap. She says she's never been discriminated against... Which is perplexing. I'd have to believe, she simply isn't aware of the discrimination she has encountered.[/QUOTE] The funniest part of that last point is how she says she's never been discriminated against as a woman, only as a mother... which is, you know, exclusive to women.

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;45571677]The funniest part of that last point is how she says she's never been discriminated against as a woman, only as a mother... which is, you know, exclusive to women.[/QUOTE] If she's trying to say that being a mother put her at a disadvantage when compared to fathers. Then she would be very dumb to brush off feminism. But I think, she is using the term "mother" as synonymous with "parent". Not all parents are women, and not all women are parents. She is indicating she's had an issue with being a parent. [I]I think.[/I] Trying my best to grasp her logic here.

[QUOTE=Netsc;45570779]Tumblr has ruined the term feminism. Looking through a lot of 'feminist' blogs on tumblr it's literally misandry.[/QUOTE] Again: this is saying Al Qaeda ruined Islam.

[QUOTE=Bazsil;45570206]there's plenty of posts relating to actual positive points about mens rights (on tumblr no less), its just that they get no attention and no one gives a shit because it's whats cool to hate right now these threads are literally always filled with responses going on about how at it's core, feminism is a good thing, just corrupted by a harmful minority; and then in the same breath these people bitch about mens rights even though that's in the same exact situation[/QUOTE] Can you please tell me what MRAs have actually done besides telling me I deserved to be raped? Because I never hear them even mention the idea of them having other points until they get called out, and even when they do bring them up they never say what they're actually doing about them other than using them as fallback arguments.

[QUOTE=Atlascore;45571767]What's wrong with nuclear families? Isn't the whole thing literally just a married couple with kids?[/QUOTE] It's not so much that nuclear families need to go, as much as it is the ideal needs to go. It's a very hetero-normative ideal that society pushes.

[QUOTE=Atlascore;45571767]What's wrong with nuclear families? Isn't the whole thing literally just a married couple with kids?[/QUOTE] depends on how you use it, it could just mean a heterosexual couple with kids and a steady job in a nice neighborhood. but it's a concept rooted in the 50's so it could also be used in the context of a misogynistic, homophobic, very possibly racist nostalgia from a time when all those things were much more common, i.e. i wish everywhere had a breadwinner husband and and stay at home mum in an all-white suburban neighborhood. not that there's necessarily anything wrong with being any of those things but it's a common fantasy for all kinds of dirtbags who get their thoughts from the era

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;45571746]Again: this is saying Al Qaeda ruined Islam.[/QUOTE] No it's like saying Al Qaeda ruined the perception of Islam. Which is fair enough. Since the term feminism is defined by [I]group[/I] perception of the ideology itself.

The thing with the word "slut" is that a lot of people use it with no actual intention of being sexist. People who, if such a word existed that could be applied to both men and women, would use it. For instance, I myself have said "that guy's an asshole, he just uses girls and throws them away, he's a slut" Because there's just not an equivalent word for males. So even the assumption that, if you ask 10 people for their definitions of "slut", you'll get 10 different definitions but they'll all have "promiscuous women" in common is wrong, just like the assumption that everyone considers a promiscuous male a success case or something.

[QUOTE=FetusFondler;45571906]The thing with the word "slut" is that a lot of people use it with no actual intention of being sexist. [/QUOTE] Uhhhh, that doesn't change anything. Of course people don't [I]mean [/I]to be sexist. But we were brought up in an environment that ingrained sexist behaviours in us... that doesn't change the bigoted connotations that someone might say even if they don't "mean it"

[QUOTE=FetusFondler;45571906]The thing with the word "slut" is that a lot of people use it with no actual intention of being sexist. People who, if such a word existed that could be applied to both men and women, would use it. For instance, I myself have said "that guy's an asshole, he just uses girls and throws them away, he's a slut" Because there's just not an equivalent word for males. So even the assumption that, if you ask 10 people for their definitions of "slut", you'll get 10 different definitions but they'll all have "promiscuous women" in common is wrong, just like the assumption that everyone considers a promiscuous male a success case or something.[/QUOTE] I'm going to be honest I've never heard the word slut used as anything other than a sexist insult.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;45571952]I'm going to be honest I've never heard the word slut used as anything other than a sexist insult.[/QUOTE] That's more of a problem with people's double standards than the word itself though. Words change meaning with how they're used, but a lot of people do actually believe it's bad for women to be promiscuous but for some reason for guys it's WOW DUDE NICE YOU SCORED [editline]2nd August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45571947]Uhhhh, that doesn't change anything. Of course people don't [I]mean [/I]to be sexist. But we were brought up in an environment that ingrained sexist behaviours in us... that doesn't change the bigoted connotations that someone might say even if they don't "mean it"[/QUOTE] That's not what I meant, as you should be able to tell by the rest of the post.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45570574]It's an assumption I often see, that trying to fix an unjust statu quo will somehow invert it. It's been that way before, back in the 1900s you can look at anti-suffragette propaganda art and how it played on the fear that if women got the right to vote they would now run society and be evil against men and whatever[/QUOTE] It's due to radical feminists having the largest voice, thus the average person thinks that when they hear feminism now. It's an image problem and if it doesn't get fucking fixed soon it will never work. I'd actually compare it to 9/11, where how just because of a small group of radicals, it poisoned pretty much all relations between anyone that looks middle eastern, like sikhs, hell even a some mexicans getting killed because "Dey luk liek terrists"

[QUOTE=Crimor;45572127]It's due to radical feminists having the largest voice, thus the average person thinks that when they hear feminism now. It's an image problem and if it doesn't get fucking fixed soon it will never work. I'd actually compare it to 9/11, where how just because of a small group of radicals, it poisoned pretty much all relations between anyone that looks middle eastern, like sikhs, hell even a some mexicans getting killed because "Dey luk liek terrists"[/QUOTE] I don't think they do have the largest voice, I certainly doubt they have the most influence in the feminist community itself, it's more people looking to attack feminists who listen to the radicals therefore they get brought up the most and therefore seem like they have the largest voice.