South Dakota governor signs bill allowing teachers to carry guns - Polidicks

I thought just giving schools a campus cop or two would do the same thing, no?

This is stupid, I'n all for defending the students, obviously, but how about using security guards or police. My High School had a State Trooper on site at all times, and my town's local HS had between 3-4 local cops on any given day. Why not do that instead?

I don't see anything wrong with allowing teachers to have it if they so choose to. It's not like one of those suggested bills that would REQUIRE one.

[QUOTE=DigitalySane;39847356]I thought just giving schools a campus cop or two would do the same thing, no?[/QUOTE] a campus cop can't be everywhere at once, dude

[QUOTE=catbarf;39845439]Are you saying teachers are going to be shooting their students? How does that make any sense?[/QUOTE] Teachers are under constant, heavy stress due to the very nature of their work. The fact students have a noticeable portion of absolute fucking cunts that would actually rather piss on a teacher than listen to him doesn't help. Teachers tend to be depressive because of how much their working conditions suck. They are now given the right to carry a firearm in a classroom crowded with students, for the sake of protecting themselves from any aggression from said students. I can only see this going wrong very quickly.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;39845610]I think its funny how some people aren't understanding this bill. This thing isn't saying "YOU, TEACHER, YOU HAVE A GUN NOW. TRY NOT TO HIT THE KIDS" Its saying "YOU, TEACHER, IF YOU [I]SO DESIRE*[/I] YOU CAN HAVE A FIREARM ON THE PREMISES" *likely requiring further background checks and regulation[/QUOTE] I would bet they need a concealed carry license

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;39847388]This is stupid, I'n all for defending the students, obviously, but how about using security guards or police. My High School had a State Trooper on site at all times, and my town's local HS had between 3-4 local cops on any given day. Why not do that instead?[/QUOTE] Saving manpower. And people generally feel less paranoid without uniformed, dedicated security people around. If a teacher can provide the exact same protection, you save one job position and you avoid the sense of paranoia that a constant police presence often brings.

[QUOTE=Riller;39848337]Saving manpower. And people generally feel less paranoid without uniformed, dedicated security people around. If a teacher can provide the exact same protection, you save one job position and you avoid the sense of paranoia that a constant police presence often brings.[/QUOTE] lol paranoia? because of what, the police? almost every high school has a student resource officer who's armed.

I think this will be an interesting period. SD will be the guinea pig in a sense for other places around the US on this stuff. I think that it wont be an issue. However, all eyes are watching.

[QUOTE=ShazzyFreak0;39848357]lol paranoia? because of what, the police? almost every high school has a student resource officer who's armed.[/QUOTE] Well, most people I know feel uneasy around police officers, even if they're not the type that ever do anything wrong.

This seems like it has a huge potential for inadvertent crossfire and for getting the wrong people shot.

[QUOTE=Riller;39848337]Saving manpower. And people generally feel less paranoid without uniformed, dedicated security people around. If a teacher can provide the exact same protection, you save one job position and you avoid the sense of paranoia that a constant police presence often brings.[/QUOTE] I disagree. I think, in terms of protection, having armed guards [i]of any kind[/i] is only valuable if those armed guards are known to use their weapons. If you create a situation where laws are passed that allow the possession of a gun, but no law is passed protecting the person who actually uses the gun, then no one will want to use the gun. So it's useless. If I was a teacher with a gun, and an incident developed where I could pull the gun and try to kill the maniac, or I could grab my kids and run for it, I sure as hell won't pick 'pull out my gun' unless I have some legal protection. What if during the shoot out a kid gets killed, who is going to have my back?

The biggest concern that I have for teachers carrying guns is the potential for them to lose their nerves in the event of actually needing to use said guns. Most teachers teach because they like working with children, and being forced into a situation where they have to [I]shoot[/I] one of them with a gun would really hit hard with them, and they'd probably leave their job soon after.

My mother works in the ghetto's of South Miami and shes not allowed access to even a stun gun. This year alone two students have shown up with fully loaded handguns and one kid brought a razor to a fight, why just yesterday in that neighborhood two kids were killed just a few blocks from the school. She regularly gets shit form her students and has been threatened quite a few times this year. A teacher is an ordinary citizen, ordinary citizens are allowed to carry handguns (provided they have the proper licensing) so why should my mother be excluded from a safety measure unlike any other person?

[QUOTE=Orkel;39844737]Just a reminder, if you turn this into another gun control argument you're gonna get banned for derailing.[/QUOTE] But not supporting this is inherently an argument in favour of a type of gun control. We're only allowed to post in this thread if we think the decision is a good idea then?

Honestly I think this is mostly a good idea, schools are generally targeted because they're defenseless areas and hiring dedicated security would put a strain on already tight budgets, not to mention take time to screen. There is some risk of students getting their hands on teachers' weapons but that's not really any greater than the risk of them just bringing a weapon of their own. And if people seriously expect there to be a risk of a teacher abusing this then that's more of a flaw in the school's screening policy than the weapon policy.

I guess if anyone throws a paper plane in class, its going to be target practice.

[QUOTE=Camundongo;39848544]This seems like it has a huge potential for inadvertent crossfire and for getting the wrong people shot.[/QUOTE] And the teachers have no gun, there will be no cross fire, just what ever the shooter is targeting.

Giving underpaid over worked teachers guns sounds like a great idea.

[url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1236089&p=39024528#post39024528[/url] facepunch, you change your mind quite a lot

I'm sorry but if I was attending a school or class where I knew a firearm was present, I don't care if it was locked up I would feel uncomfortable and not safe. Why? Because now you're in a state of terror, ok gun violence is bad, I hate people who commit massacres and it would suck to be a victim of one but now you have this state of mind that shit has gotten so bad that now teachers have to carry handguns if they want to in case, to me it gives me the impression that at any time I may be involved in some sort of crossfire and I could possibly be injured, killed or watch someone I know be shot in front of my eyes I understand this is for protection but I don't like being around people who are carrying dangerous weapons, maybe it's just me but it's not going to create a sense of security, it'll create a sense of panic

[QUOTE=The First 11'er;39850304][url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1236089&p=39024528#post39024528[/url] facepunch, you change your mind quite a lot[/QUOTE] Alot happens in a few months.

I wonder if one of the teachers might use their gun as a sort of punishment tool. Like: "YOU, BOY. SIT DOWN AND GET ON WITH YOUR MATH BEFORE I POP A CAP IN YO' ASS."

[QUOTE=Pepsi-cola;39849543]Giving underpaid over worked teachers guns sounds like a great idea.[/QUOTE] They can buy a gun on their own time if they want to. Its not like you hand them a gun and they suddenly become mass murderers.

[QUOTE=Smoot;39844941]Remember that teachers are not being forced to bring in a gun. Only those that feel comfortable will and we need that last line of defense in our schools. The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. When you're sitting in your classroom with 30 students and you start to hear gunfire getting closer and closer to your classroom, you are the one and only thing that could possibly prevent any harm coming to your students. I would rather have my child in a classroom where the teacher sits and waits, shakily pointing their gun at the door having never fired it more than once when they purchased it. Without that gun they are powerless to stop an armed intruder from entering. With that gun they at least stand a chance to try and save the lives of innocent children.[/QUOTE] great job using the rhetoric of the NRA a+

[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;39850847]They can buy a gun on their own time if they want to. Its not like you hand them a gun and they suddenly become mass murderers.[/QUOTE] I know but schools can be really tough on teachers.

[QUOTE=Riller;39844831]How was he found? I'm pretty sure it's illegal for priests to snitch on people confessing to them, no matter the confession. Excluding intentions to commit murder, but sounds like he was past the intentions-stage and into the regret-state.[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter who it is, if you're a danger to yourself or others, that kind of information is necessary to disclose.

[QUOTE=The First 11'er;39850304][url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1236089&p=39024528#post39024528[/url] facepunch, you change your mind quite a lot[/QUOTE] Yeah, I, too, hate how Facepunch is one single, highly schizophrenic and ambivalent person. God damn it, Facepunch, make your mind up already!

Reminds me of that scene from south park cherokee hair tampons, when mr garrison is getting fired: Mr. Garrison: Very well, I suppose you'll be wanting my badge and gun. School Board member: Mr. Garrison, MOST teachers DO NOT carry a gun! Mr. Garrison: Oh, so I can keep it then? But now that can be questioned itself..

How long do you think it would be before some poor kid gets shot because he/she pulls out a water-pistol out of the backbag? Or anything resembling a gun, when I think of the recent news about this.