Israel would lift the blockade, if Gaza turned to peace.
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[QUOTE=GunFox;22877338]The entire strip is a civilian zone. Anywhere they plopped those down would be in a civilian populated area. If it wasn't a school it would have been a mosque, if it wasn't a mosque it would have been a marketplace, if it wasn't a marketplace it would have been a living room.
This is what happens when your government elects to rely entirely on a non-uniformed guerrilla military. If you hide amongst civilians, don't be surprised when the other side shoots them up to get to you. Unintentionally or otherwise.
Hamas is using its own people as human shields.[/QUOTE]
So its the Palestinians' fault for living in an enclosed 125 square mile perimeter? Gaza is the most densely populated region on earth. Israel knows this full well and still bombs the place to hell and blames the Palestinians for dying. If it expects Hamas to come out into open fields to fight the F-16 bombers, its more stupid than we thought. Israel, if it wants the moral highground, should not blame civilians for getting killed when it drops bombs that have killzones of several blocks. Its obvious that Operation Cast Lead failed miserably. Hamas still has rocket launching capabilities. Hamas is still intact. Which brings to my original point...why can't IDF send in their commandos to engage with Hamas one-on-one instead of dropping bombs on schools? I know why. Because they're fucking inept and have an extreme tendency of killing civilians. Can't shoot a terrorist [url=http://www.haaretz.com/news/idf-in-gaza-killing-civilians-vandalism-and-lax-rules-of-engagement-1.272379]without killing an entire family of innocent civilians.[/url]
[quote]"There was a house with a family inside .... We put them in a room. Later we left the house and another platoon entered it, and a few days after that there was an order to release the family. They had set up positions upstairs. There was a sniper position on the roof," the soldier said.
"The platoon commander let the family go and told them to go to the right. One mother and her two children didn't understand and went to the left, but they forgot to tell the sharpshooter on the roof they had let them go and it was okay, and he should hold his fire and he ... he did what he was supposed to, like he was following his orders."
According to the squad leader: "The sharpshooter saw a woman and children approaching him, closer than the lines he was told no one should pass. He shot them straight away. In any case, what happened is that in the end he killed them.
"I don't think he felt too bad about it, because after all, as far as he was concerned, [b]he did his job according to the orders he was given[/b]. And the atmosphere in general, from what I understood from most of my men who I talked to ... I don't know how to describe it .... The lives of Palestinians, let's say, is something very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. So as far as they are concerned they can justify it that way," he said.[/quote]
Heck if I'm commanding this Battalion of Buffoons, I'd keep them the fuck away from civilian zones myself.
lol GunFox thinks Hamas uses civilians as shield
you got it backwards brohound
oh wait, Israel couldn't POSSIBLY do stuff like that. no way.
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[QUOTE=GunFox;22877338]The entire strip is a civilian zone. Anywhere they plopped those down would be in a civilian populated area. If it wasn't a school it would have been a mosque, if it wasn't a mosque it would have been a marketplace, if it wasn't a marketplace it would have been a living room. [/QUOTE]
sorry, but that doesn't justify indiscriminate bombings, etc.
stop being an apologist for war crimes
[QUOTE=starpluck;22877581]First,
Hamas does have a uniform, they're is not an militia.
[IMG]http://www.seraphicpress.com/images/hamas-parade.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images/hamas-soldiers.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://myminddroppings.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/qassam-launch.jpg[/IMG]
2. There was no evidence proving that Hamas did fire from civilian infrastructure at all. In fact, there evidence proving they didn't.
3. I meant literal, Israel literally, uses civilians as human shields right in front of them. Despite the ban, the practice still continues, oh and look at this. [URL]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4333982.stm[/URL][/QUOTE]
1.) Their official uniform employs face masks.
So what do you think they wear when they are actually fighting? Why do you think they never show up in uniform in actual combat? It's for SHOW.
Could they possibly have a uniform that says "I'm a Muslim extremist" any louder? It's like they were trying.
2.) There was no evidence? There are videos of them shooting from schools. Israel uses drones and point of origin RADAR for determining where stuff came from. I could see perhaps *accusing* the other side of using schools as fire bases, but Israel actually showed up to assault them. You don't carry out an assault like that unless you are damn sure they were being used as launch sites. It brings all kinds of bad press (As we've seen) and has no benefits unless you really were tracking down launch locations.
3.) They aren't human shields. They send them in to negotiate because they shoot Israeli negotiators on sight.
I'll rewind for a second and return to the part where, in the middle of combat, the Israelis are willing to attempt negotiations in order to minimize casualties on both sides. Note BOTH sides. Israel has more than enough air power to negotiate the US military way with hellfire missiles launched from an Apache behind a hill.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22820717]Sometimes it does take a "white man" to teach the natives some new things. Do you think that countries such as South Africa, many in east Asia, south America, and others, would have been as advanced as they are today, had no one from Europe colonized or traded with them?[/QUOTE]
The countries that aren't "civilised" (i.e. subsistence farming or better) aren't going to be civilised because the land is so bad not even modern farming techniques can't help it. Mali did OK for itself before we came along and shat all over everything, but for the most part Africa and the Asian steppes were either doing just fine or were never going to do well before we came along. Some places won't foster civilisation as we know it, but that doesn't mean the inhabitants of such countries are a bunch of bloodthirsty savages.
[QUOTE=lazyguy;22878369]The countries that aren't "civilised" (i.e. subsistence farming or better) aren't going to be civilised because the land is so bad not even modern farming techniques can't help it. Mali did OK for itself before we came along and shat all over everything, but for the most part Africa and the Asian steppes were either doing just fine or were never going to do well before we came along. Some places won't foster civilisation as we know it, but that doesn't mean the inhabitants of such countries are a bunch of bloodthirsty savages.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say they were bloodthirsty savages. Don't try to make me sound like a racist.
I'm pretty sure modern irrigation and farming technology can only help, and that places which were in the past inhabitable are today habitable. For example, Israel is slowly "farming" the desert in the south, the Negev. There are towns and a few cities there, and 100 years ago, nobody even thought of having towns in the Negev, without an immediate source of water nearby.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22878622]Don't try to make me sound like a racist.[/QUOTE]
we don't really have to
you've already done it by everything you've said
[QUOTE=JDK721;22878642]we don't really have to
you've already done it by everything you've said[/QUOTE]
When did I say something that's racist? And no borderline-racism, that doesn't count.
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