Because one Iron Man is apparently not enough: Doctor Doom to become new Iron Man as well
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50678468]Oddly enough, the Punisher was black once. Through surgery he changed his skin colour.
Yeah, comics are really fucking weird.[/QUOTE]
That was a [I]weird[/I] 3 issues...
This is like if Osborne decided to become Spiderman
Pretty fucking stupid.
Is this part of the "main universe" canon, assuming Marvel has a multiverse as DC does? Because DC regularly has villains and heroes switching roles as part of various alternate time lines and shit. The entire Injustice storyline pitted Superman as the evil overlord of the planet, with a Cadre of former heroes and villains acting as his enforcers. There's also the Crime Syndicate, the Gods and Monsters universe where Superman is actually Zod's son and Batman is Kurt Langstrom (Man-Bat), the Justice Lords, etc.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50679345]Is this part of the "main universe" canon, assuming Marvel has a multiverse as DC does? Because DC regularly has villains and heroes switching roles as part of various alternate time lines and shit. The entire Injustice storyline pitted Superman as the evil overlord of the planet, with a Cadre of former heroes and villains acting as his enforcers. There's also the Crime Syndicate, the God's and Monsters universe where Superman is actually Zod's son and Batman is Kurt Langstrom (Man-Bat), the Justice Lords, etc.[/QUOTE]
It's part of the "main universe", the one designated with number 616.
[QUOTE=Eonart;50677136]I have a sliver of hope that some publisher decides to release a comic series that parodies everything Marvel is doing, even the movies.[/QUOTE]
At the moment, I live in a delusional fantasy world where the only thing to come out of Marvel since the first Avengers movie has been Deadpool. Everything else they put out seems to be crap that isn't worth buying, torrenting, or even acknowledging.
[QUOTE=Damjen;50679376]It's part of the "main universe", the one designated with number 616.[/QUOTE]
I mean, we can technically be weird and say after the events of Secret Wars (which is when this happens), there were supposed to be no more of those designations, but yes, it's still 616 since no one cares about that unofficial rule.
It's weird because Marvel is trying to do legacy hero storylines like DC is with Rebirth but is also giving the task to people who don't care or don't know the history.
For a positive example, the new Ms. Marvel, Kamala Khan, is great! She grew up idolizing Carol Danvers (the original Ms. Marvel, now Captain Marvel) and took the name as homage, doing her own thing as a teenager in Jersey City. She's arguably the most successful modern Peter Parker story-line (kid grows up while being a hero, shit's tough).
Then there's stuff like the new Iron Woman - she was introduced in Bendis's run, and she out of nowhere builds a make-shift War Machine suit in her dorm at MIT. We're now expected to love her and praise it as a whole-new take on Iron Man, even though Pepper Potts was a somewhat popular Iron-Man related hero named 'Rescue' recently for a year or two (a suit with no weapons, designed only to help people non-violently), and even Rhodey's niece was being groomed as a new Iron Patriot only to be swept under the rug.
Hell, I can even get behind Victor von Doom as being a new Iron Man, because during Secret Wars written by Hickman, that was the direction he was always headed in - a villain who was only a gigantic asshole because of perceived slights from Richards followed by the world, and Reed helped him get over himself and healed his face, after Victor realized that he was just 95% the man Reed was and that was ok.
Bendis is going to fuck it up to a generic 'I'm a bad guy trying to be a good guy, fuck this shit it's too hard, might as well ruin his good name until the original forces me out.' Probably.
Honestly I've never understood the outrage behind stuff like this happening. It never sticks. It's just different stuff, comic book writers have been throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks since the medium began.
I'm not a Bendis fan, because of what he did to the GotG and the state of cosmic Marvel in general.
It just seems silly to hear that Doom is going to be Iron Man for a while, and your immediate reaction is "OH THOSE FUCKS HAVE GONE TOO FAR, AGAIN!"
Also I heard that Doom was pals with Stark these days anyway so it doesn't even sound out of character. Considering the major gripe with Riri Williams was apparently that she was a 'character out of nowhere', and so, too original and un-established, at least you don't have that problem with Dr. Doom?
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50679345]Is this part of the "main universe" canon, assuming Marvel has a multiverse as DC does? Because DC regularly has villains and heroes switching roles as part of various alternate time lines and shit. The entire Injustice storyline pitted Superman as the evil overlord of the planet, with a Cadre of former heroes and villains acting as his enforcers. There's also the Crime Syndicate, the Gods and Monsters universe where Superman is actually Zod's son and Batman is Kurt Langstrom (Man-Bat), the Justice Lords, etc.[/QUOTE]
Marvel only has one super PC universe now.
[QUOTE=27X;50680741]Marvel only has one super PC universe now.[/QUOTE]
A world run by Tumblr.
[QUOTE=Menien Goneld;50680512]Honestly I've never understood the outrage behind stuff like this happening. It never sticks. It's just different stuff, comic book writers have been throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks since the medium began.[/QUOTE]
Once again, this is not an excuse for shitty writing or storytelling. It never is. For the love of god stop parroting it. If this was a cartoon, or live action TV, people would get pissed and nobody would blame them, or call them dumb or racist/sexist or whathaveyou.
[QUOTE=Menien Goneld;50680512]It just seems silly to hear that Doom is going to be Iron Man for a while, and your immediate reaction is "OH THOSE FUCKS HAVE GONE TOO FAR, AGAIN!"[/QUOTE]
For two main reasons, 1: its COMPLETELY out of character for Doom. 2: Its just Bendis trying to copy Dan Slotts Superior Spider-Man run, but not bothering to figure out why Doc Ock, a character who's been one of Spider-Mans primary foes since the 60s, makes more sense as a "bad guy taking over hero role" than Doom taking over Iron Man.
[QUOTE=Menien Goneld;50680512]Also I heard that Doom was pals with Stark these days anyway so it doesn't even sound out of character. [/QUOTE]
Out of character.
[QUOTE=Menien Goneld;50680512]Considering the major gripe with Riri Williams was apparently that she was a 'character out of nowhere', and so, too original and un-established, at least you don't have that problem with Dr. Doom?[/QUOTE]
You're right, instead we have a villain who's never been very highly associated with the Iron Man mythos and if anything would make more sense taking over Doctor Stranges position as Sorceror Supreme (considering he's tried before, and they even had a book together called Doctor Strange / Doctor Doom: Triumph And Torment), a character who's so defined by his ego in literally every incarnation of the character, even the most heroic versions of him, that he almost never stops speaking in the third person, taking over the role of a character he's not really a regular villain of. And its also Bendis, which is gonna guarantee it'll be annoying to read at best and completely ignore characterization and continuity at worst.
[QUOTE=FunnyStarRunner;50676281]Because superhero comics are a cesspool of dumb gimmicks.[/QUOTE]
This is almost as bad as Dr octopus becoming spider man.
I think its funny when people cry about stories and plot development and all that jazz when comics are fucking filled to the brim with needless, convoluted bullshit.
[QUOTE=Cocacoladude;50682332]I think its funny when people cry about stories and plot development and all that jazz when comics are fucking filled to the brim with needless, convoluted bullshit.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50677017]Okay shortstuff, lemme give you a history lesson.
First off, lets start with the writer behind this garbage: Brian Michael FUCKING Bendis. The man who mutilated and destroyed the cosmic Marvel comics and destroyed the Guardians of The Galaxy. Unoriginal hack who writes like the epitome of masterful dialogue is the codec conversation at the start of MGS1 about the Surveillance Camera. The mans writing is irritating, contrived, stupid. He cant write separate characters, everyone quips and talks like a wacky idea of what this 30 year old dude out of touch with reality thinks teens talk like. He doesnt give a single fuck about consistent characterization or continuity, this is the perfect example, this is so out of tune with the character of Victor Von Doom that its unreal. I could go on for days about him. I mean for gods sake the man ripped apart and made a totally new Guardians Of The Galaxy team just so he could mix the movie cast with, and i quote, to make it "Jews in Space."
Second, Marvels track record. For the past few years, they've existed and thrived off of one single concept: Pissing people off gets them money. They shit over the history of their characters and universe to make moolah, without a care in the world. Replacing characters left and right to fill this strange, needless minority replacement quota, leading to bland uninteresting cardboard cutouts with sloppy attempts at being progressive as their paintjob replacing actual characters like Thor or Iron Man. They dont care. Sometimes, sometimes, this turns out alright, or it makes sense with the history of the characters, but not often. Kamala Khan? Lucky. Jane Foster as Thor? Idiotic. Miles Morales? Interesting, but quickly turned into a boring OP OC who's fights come down to "VENOM BLAST". Etc.
Theres a reason people keep bitching about the stupid shit [b]MARVEL[/b] has been doing. You dont hear people bitch like this about DC, Image, Valiant, Dakrhorse, IDW, or anyone else, because theres nothing to get this upset over. DC is Marvels direct competition and they're doing new, interesting things with their characters that isnt taking a massive steaming dump on who those characters are and how they've been written for decades. Image, Valiant, Darkhorse, IDW dont care about exploiting weird statistic boost tactics to gain sales, they put out comics and they get bought, end of story.
Marvel has turned to shit, thats why people are bitching. Its not because writers are doing something new. Its because they're doing something new and stupid.
[editline]8th July 2016[/editline]
Yes.
[b]Really.[/b]
[editline]8th July 2016[/editline]
Hey look, its starting again.
People who dont read comics coming in and telling us to stop being annoyed when people do stupid shit in comics, despite these writing decisions being something that'd get assblasted if it was in a game, book, or movie.[/QUOTE]
Read the thread for christ sake.
Does this mean we're getting an MF DOOM/Ghostface Killah duo album? :v:
[QUOTE=coldroll5;50681088]This is almost as bad as Dr octopus becoming spider man.[/QUOTE]
I kinda liked Spock trying to be a good guy and all.
I want to get off Mr. Brandis' Wild Ride.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50680952]Once again, this is not an excuse for shitty writing or storytelling. It never is. For the love of god stop parroting it. If this was a cartoon, or live action TV, people would get pissed and nobody would blame them, or call them dumb or racist/sexist or whathaveyou.
For two main reasons, 1: its COMPLETELY out of character for Doom. 2: Its just Bendis trying to copy Dan Slotts Superior Spider-Man run, but not bothering to figure out why Doc Ock, a character who's been one of Spider-Mans primary foes since the 60s, makes more sense as a "bad guy taking over hero role" than Doom taking over Iron Man.
Out of character.
You're right, instead we have a villain who's never been very highly associated with the Iron Man mythos and if anything would make more sense taking over Doctor Stranges position as Sorceror Supreme (considering he's tried before, and they even had a book together called Doctor Strange / Doctor Doom: Triumph And Torment), a character who's so defined by his ego in literally every incarnation of the character, even the most heroic versions of him, that he almost never stops speaking in the third person, taking over the role of a character he's not really a regular villain of. And its also Bendis, which is gonna guarantee it'll be annoying to read at best and completely ignore characterization and continuity at worst.[/QUOTE]
Doom actually got the title of Sorcerer Supreme but let Strange have it so that Strange owed him a favor.
Doom was Iron Man once in an old What If issue, what if tony stark had been doom's roomate in university instead of reed richards. Long story short, victor switched minds with tony so he could be rich and use the money to investigate a way to rescue his mother's soul from hell, and put false memories in tony's mind so he would believe he had always been victor von doom.
Doom in tony stark's body developed the iron man armor as a weapon, whereas tony in doom's body became the ceo of a security firm and made doom's armor as a firefighting suit. Then they fought.
And in an Exiles comic, Tony became Iron Doom after he killed all the superheroes and villains in the world but the Inhumans, and became ruler of Earth, wearing his armor with Doom's green cape.
But yes, the comic doesn't make sense, Bendis decided to write Doom as a happy guy eager to help just because he became handsome again.
[QUOTE=Dvdgg;50687983]Doom was Iron Man once in an old What If issue, what if tony stark had been doom's roomate in university instead of reed richards. Long story short, victor switched minds with tony so he could be rich and use the money to investigate a way to rescue his mother's soul from hell, and put false memories in tony's mind so he would believe he had always been victor von doom.
Doom in tony stark's body developed the iron man armor as a weapon, whereas tony in doom's body became the ceo of a security firm and made doom's armor as a firefighting suit. Then they fought.
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And that works because its a hypothetical scenario in which one of the largest and most important pieces of the characters history is altered in a significant way so the story can happen.
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