• Columbia’s ‘Mattress Girl’ Awarded NOW ‘Woman of Courage’ Award
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[QUOTE=Water-Marine;50611077]The lone fact that she made a fucking sex tape "recreating" it should be enough evidence that she's fantastically full of shit. Would a legitimate rape victim really make the choice to relive their experience?[/QUOTE] It's also fucking dumb because she states that if you watch it, you're also effectively raping her by watching it. If you don't want people to "rape" you, don't release a video of fake rape sex for everyone to see???
[QUOTE=Squidman;50610864]NSFW [URL="https://vid.me/68ut"]https://vid.me/68ut[/URL] NSFW Hopefully this works.[/QUOTE] Hahahha holy shit I didn't know there was an actual video. That's fucking funny.
So she alleges he's a rapist - something that can and did fuck up his [I]life[/I] No proof of her being raped? Some substantial proof she wasn't raped? Man is proven innocent Woman ignores due process entirely, continues tirade against him in a largely sexist way And she's getting an award? How is she not in the wrong here? Yes, being raped is unequivocally worse than being accused of raping someone, and that's saying a lot because being accused of raping someone has tremendous implications, and if everything presented points to her not being raped and him not raping her, how the fuck is it okay for her to continue to claim that he did? Her being awarded for this behavior reinforces that it's okay to totally ignore due process and other people's rights because [I]"men will always only disenfranchise and destroy women everywhere ever"[/I], and it also serves to further invalidate the already underrated seriousness of being accused of raping someone. This whole situation is absolutely fucked.
-snip- I thought that was a real video. But it was an "art project" she made.
bda she made a porn vid she starred in to 'publicise' the issue shes an attentionwhore. if she were so horrified about the experience she wouldn't willing relive it like she did.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50611018]This is what I'm seeing so far. Like, again, I didn't follow this case closely. There could definitely info that I'm missing. Unfortunately almost all of the evidence Im being seen presented either way is totally circumstantial. There just isn't anything concrete enough for me to feel comfortable lambasting either party.[/QUOTE] With the story she went with, a lack of evidence IS evidence to the contrary. If what she said happened actually happened, there would have been a TON of evidence of it, but there was none. That is combined with all of the evidence that she is lying that was posted earlier. This whole award is just further showing what's wrong with a lot of modern feminists. Their idea of feminism isn't treating men and women as equals, it's about always taking the woman's side, no matter what, regardless of the evidence.
[QUOTE=Ruski v2.0;50611238]bda she made a porn vid she starred in to 'publicise' the issue shes an attentionwhore. if she were so horrified about the experience she wouldn't willing relive it like she did.[/QUOTE] You don't understand. reliving it like that is her way of coping and it makes her a strong person~
This is [B]exactly[/B] like the [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1520183"]brazilian girl that was raped by 33 men[/URL]. She claims she was drugged and then raped, whilst unconscious, by 33 men. I'm not blaming the brazilian girl for being raped. I'm not blaming anyone except the guys that recorded the video and published it on the internet, knowing that it was illegal to do so (it's child porn as she isn't 18). But everyone knows she was a regular at a drug spot near where she was "raped"; she had habits of having orgies with the drug dealers; she even had sex with a friend of her boyfriend one day before the incident happened. According to the brazilian law, rape is only when there is libidinous action provoked without consent from the victim. In that case, it's really hard to prove that there was no consent from the victim (she was unconscious on the video that her "rapists" released, but in no moment it shows them having sex with her while she was unconscious, nor touching her breasts and vagina.). The point I'm trying to achieve before someone says "OMG YOU'RE DEFENDING HER RAPISTS", is: given a certain background that seemed to be common for her, it's really hard to believe that she was raped. And just a FYI, the judge investigating the case asked the girl if she "had habits to have sex in groups", and her lawyer said it was a very inappropriate question for her to answer. Due to that, the judge was replaced by a woman, which has now arrested 7-10 of the alleged rapists, but charging them with "rape of minor age girl" is unfair, imo, if it wasn't proven that she was indeed raped. But I know that they would be arrested the same way because they had videos showing her naked in bed unconscious, which clearly classifies as child porn. [editline]28th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=hippowombat;50611227]So she alleges he's a rapist - something that can and did fuck up his [I]life[/I] No proof of her being raped? Some substantial proof she wasn't raped? Man is proven innocent Woman ignores due process entirely, continues tirade against him in a largely sexist way And she's getting an award? How is she not in the wrong here? Yes, being raped is unequivocally worse than being accused of raping someone, and that's saying a lot because being accused of raping someone has tremendous implications, and if everything presented points to her not being raped and him not raping her, how the fuck is it okay for her to continue to claim that he did? Her being awarded for this behavior reinforces that it's okay to totally ignore due process and other people's rights because [I]"men will always only disenfranchise and destroy women everywhere ever"[/I], and it also serves to further invalidate the already underrated seriousness of being accused of raping someone. This whole situation is absolutely fucked.[/QUOTE] Just wanting to note that she contacted a few other girls and a guy who had relations with the same guy, and they all agreed that he "raped" them, but they couldn't prove it.
[QUOTE=person11;50610833]It's really good to see someone rewarded for speaking out. Too many rape survivors are forced into silence in one way or another in our society. It's nice to finally see people being encouraged to accuse and to go public about their allegations. I mean there is no way to know if the accusation is true though, there's no evidence either way besides what accuser and the accused's differing stories.[/QUOTE] No. Fuck her dude she honestly does not deserve this at all.
For all the people that still think she might not be lying and aren't caught up. - She told police of a incredibly brutal depiction of events that happened, that would have surely left scarring, bruises, or some other kind of physical mark. - She filed in the police report that she lived under "constant terror" of might having to see him on campus for the year, even though later she admits that he was in Europe. - The two other accusers gave contradictory information, backed-out, and one admitted to being pressured to accuse him. The internal report even mentions it was just a personal vendetta for one to try to get him kicked out of his apartment. - The Mattress girl literally recreated her "rape scene", but failed to put in all the brutal bits that she had originally mentioned. I mean really it's not that hard to figure out that this girl is more likely a psycho then a victim. And please for the love of god, do not try to tell me a rape victim that recreated their rape incident and then distributed online is just them acting irrationally after a life-changing event.
I find it incredibly hard to believe that someone claiming to experience a PTSD attack at the mere thought of the name of the supposed perpetrator would be able to actually recreate the experience like this just for the hell of it. It's attention seeking bogus.
Glad the guy is now suing this psychopath, here's hoping he wins, there was a bus driver where I live who got sacked because a similar thing happened. [editline]t[/editline] Wait I misread, he's suing the university, well that's good too.
[QUOTE=Chamango;50611580]Glad the guy is now suing this psychopath, here's hoping he wins, there was a bus driver where I live who got sacked because a similar thing happened. [editline]t[/editline] Wait I misread, he's suing the university, well that's good too.[/QUOTE] Should sue both. He's already guilty in the court of public opinion. Nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Wasn't this also the one where she said it took place at a party that never took place at all?
[QUOTE=RockyTV;50611256]This is [B]exactly[/B] like the [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1520183"]brazilian girl that was raped by 33 men[/URL]. She claims she was drugged and then raped, whilst unconscious, by 33 men. I'm not blaming the brazilian girl for being raped. I'm not blaming anyone except the guys that recorded the video and published it on the internet, knowing that it was illegal to do so (it's child porn as she isn't 18). But everyone knows she was a regular at a drug spot near where she was "raped"; she had habits of having orgies with the drug dealers; she even had sex with a friend of her boyfriend one day before the incident happened. According to the brazilian law, rape is only when there is libidinous action provoked without consent from the victim. In that case, it's really hard to prove that there was no consent from the victim (she was unconscious on the video that her "rapists" released, but in no moment it shows them having sex with her while she was unconscious, nor touching her breasts and vagina.). The point I'm trying to achieve before someone says "OMG YOU'RE DEFENDING HER RAPISTS", is: given a certain background that seemed to be common for her, it's really hard to believe that she was raped. And just a FYI, the judge investigating the case asked the girl if she "had habits to have sex in groups", and her lawyer said it was a very inappropriate question for her to answer. Due to that, the judge was replaced by a woman, which has now arrested 7-10 of the alleged rapists, but charging them with "rape of minor age girl" is unfair, imo, if it wasn't proven that she was indeed raped. But I know that they would be arrested the same way because they had videos showing her naked in bed unconscious, which clearly classifies as child porn. [editline]28th June 2016[/editline] Just wanting to note that she contacted a few other girls and a guy who had relations with the same guy, and they all agreed that he "raped" them, but they couldn't prove it.[/QUOTE] Just to be clear: If you have sex with an unconscious girl, it is rape. It doesn't matter if she has had consensual sex with you before, it doesn't matter if she is doing drugs, whatever. Unless she said, "I am taking drugs to knock myself out. Please have group sex with my unconscious body," then it's rape. It cannot be consensual if she was physically or mentally incapable of consenting or resisting.
Don't forget she has to say it enthusiastically too. Normal tone yes isn't good enough nowadays.
[QUOTE=Tudd;50611357]The two other accusers gave contradictory information, backed-out, and one admitted to being pressured to accuse him. The internal report even mentions it was just a personal vendetta for one to try to get him kicked out of his apartment.[/QUOTE] This is really the worst part. Even if she had been raped, false testimony isn't ok and shouldn't be rewarded. It's not like there aren't honest rape victims that they could give this award to instead.
So basically rewards for scum baggery and sudo wymyn rights. Welcome to the future everybody! Now please give me my complimentary cyanide mints and fuck off. :clown:
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50611750]Just to be clear: If you have sex with an unconscious girl, it is rape. It doesn't matter if she has had consensual sex with you before, it doesn't matter if she is doing drugs, whatever. Unless she said, "I am taking drugs to knock myself out. Please have group sex with my unconscious body," then it's rape. It cannot be consensual if she was physically or mentally incapable of consenting or resisting.[/QUOTE] Yes, and he addressed that in his comment if you'd read it.
EDIT: above poster just said what I said
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50610830]Really not too dang familiar with the story here. What did she lie about, specifically?[/QUOTE] Only everything regarding the incident.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50610985]Nobody is saying that he definitively did rape her, just that the situation probably isn't as black and white as your are making it out to be. A lack of evidence does not mean that no wrongdoing occurred, it just means that there is not sufficient evidence to prove that it did. Rape is very difficult to prove, especially if no physical violence is involved, such as hitting, choking, or rough sex, and even then medical reports must be submitted quite quickly. I mean, look, we don't know any of the involved parties. Neither of us can say we know what actually occurred. It's all speculation, fueled by a lack of concrete fact. I'm only trying to caution against this unhealthy belief that being unable to prove that you were raped automatically makes you an attention seeking liar, because that is a really disgusting philosophy. Even if this case is fabricated, tens of thousands of women ARE being raped, and are afraid to come forward about it due to the stigma that folks like you are perpetuating. "Innocent until proven guilty" works both ways. You cannot just assume she is guilty of lying on the grounds that she can't [I]prove[/I] she isn't. Unless there is substantial evidence to show that she deliberately falsified her claims, of course.[/QUOTE] Motherfucker she was stalking him. She sent borderline obsessed stalker texts to him the night after. [editline]28th June 2016[/editline] Like this shit makes me mad because she's as false as the Rolling Stones rape report but unlike that getting correctly discredited she's being given rewards. Meanwhile the girl who was brutally attacked by some swim team player wrote one of the most powerful letters about surviving and nothing. [editline]28th June 2016[/editline] Like I'm sorry American but you coming in , "I have no idea what's happening but she could've been raped". Do some research.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50610985]I mean, look, we don't know any of the involved parties. Neither of us can say we know what actually occurred. It's all speculation, fueled by a lack of concrete fact. I'm only trying to caution against this unhealthy belief that being unable to prove that you were raped automatically makes you an attention seeking liar, because that is a really disgusting philosophy. Even if this case is fabricated, tens of thousands of women ARE being raped, and are afraid to come forward about it due to the stigma that folks like you are perpetuating. "Innocent until proven guilty" works both ways. You cannot just assume she is guilty of lying on the grounds that she can't [I]prove[/I] she isn't. Unless there is substantial evidence to show that she deliberately falsified her claims, of course.[/QUOTE] Your wording seems incredibly weird considering all the evidence that points against her. Also [QUOTE]trying to caution against this unhealthy belief that being unable to prove that you were raped automatically makes you an attention seeking liar, because that is a really disgusting philosophy[/QUOTE] But this was never what he said, unless the word "could' have changed definitions overnight. [QUOTE]Even if this case is fabricated, tens of thousands of women ARE being raped, and are afraid to come forward about it due to the stigma that folks like you are perpetuating.[/QUOTE] And again with this strange wording. Correct me if I'm wrong, but he said that [B]if[/B] she was attention seeking it would actually be harmful to women.
Burden of proof is on the accuser. No proof, no crime. That applies to all crimes.
She's getting an award for persistently harassing some guy? What the fuck?
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50611750]Unless she said, "I am taking drugs to knock myself out. Please have group sex with my unconscious body," then it's rape.[/QUOTE] From a litigious standpoint that's still rape. The intoxicated can not give legal consent.
[QUOTE=Tudd;50611790]Don't forget she has to say it enthusiastically too. Normal tone yes isn't good enough nowadays.[/QUOTE] You'd be surprised by how many people just don't get it.
[QUOTE=Géza!;50612595]Burden of proof is on the accuser. No proof, no crime. That applies to all crimes.[/QUOTE] In cases like rape, you do have to add further caution that "innocent until proven guilty" on the alleged rapist does not imply "lying gruntslut until proven innocent" on the part of the rape victim. [editline]28th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Paramud;50612824]From a litigious standpoint that's still rape. The intoxicated can not give legal consent.[/QUOTE] from a litigous standpoint, if your wife drinks a glass of wine and then you have sex with her for the 1,000th time you've raped her.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50610869]So was it actually proven that she was lying, or are we just assuming that she is a liar based on a lack of enough evidence to convict her alleged rapist? [I]IE-- he wasn't charged, ergo he must be innocent and she is a lying bitch attention whore[/I] [Editline]J[/editline] Lol case in point[/QUOTE] I feel like you've been over the burden of proof with other users on this forum plenty of times before. Why have you seemed to forgotten it, all of a sudden?
[QUOTE=evilweazel;50612972]I feel like you've been over the burden of proof with other users on this forum plenty of times before. Why have seemed to forgotten it, all of a sudden?[/QUOTE] Because an extremely large (if not largest) feminist organization is giving an awards to a scummy liar who ruined the life of a guy. People get to say "THIS is modern day feminism". This cannot be brushed off as a No True Scottsman.
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