Columbia’s ‘Mattress Girl’ Awarded NOW ‘Woman of Courage’ Award
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It's amazing that despite all the evidence regarding this case, people still doubt his innocence and are quickly to defend her - Looking at you Big Dumb American - this is a straightforward case with plenty of evidence of her lies, you can even read her chats yourself.
It's because of people like her that victims of actual rape have trouble coming forward and aren't taken serious, how can the largest organization for women actually award someone like her? It's ridiculous and one more reason why NOW is out of touch.
[QUOTE=bunguer;50613143]It's amazing that despite all the evidence regarding this case, people still doubt his innocence and are quickly to defend her - Looking at you Big Dumb American - this is a straightforward case with plenty of evidence of her lies, you can even read her chats yourself.
It's because of people like her that victims of actual rape have trouble coming forward and aren't taken serious, how can the largest organization for women actually award someone like her? It's ridiculous and one more reason why NOW is out of touch.[/QUOTE]
Especially with that sex tape recreation she made, you would think that it would be a dead giveaway to see that she's lying
[QUOTE=RockyTV;50611256]This is [B]exactly[/B] like the [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1520183"]brazilian girl that was raped by 33 men[/URL]. She claims she was drugged and then raped, whilst unconscious, by 33 men.
I'm not blaming the brazilian girl for being raped. I'm not blaming anyone except the guys that recorded the video and published it on the internet, knowing that it was illegal to do so (it's child porn as she isn't 18). But everyone knows she was a regular at a drug spot near where she was "raped"; she had habits of having orgies with the drug dealers; she even had sex with a friend of her boyfriend one day before the incident happened.
According to the brazilian law, rape is only when there is libidinous action provoked without consent from the victim. In that case, it's really hard to prove that there was no consent from the victim (she was unconscious on the video that her "rapists" released, but in no moment it shows them having sex with her while she was unconscious, nor touching her breasts and vagina.).
The point I'm trying to achieve before someone says "OMG YOU'RE DEFENDING HER RAPISTS", is: given a certain background that seemed to be common for her, it's really hard to believe that she was raped.
And just a FYI, the judge investigating the case asked the girl if she "had habits to have sex in groups", and her lawyer said it was a very inappropriate question for her to answer. Due to that, the judge was replaced by a woman, which has now arrested 7-10 of the alleged rapists, but charging them with "rape of minor age girl" is unfair, imo, if it wasn't proven that she was indeed raped. But I know that they would be arrested the same way because they had videos showing her naked in bed unconscious, which clearly classifies as child porn.
[editline]28th June 2016[/editline]
Just wanting to note that she contacted a few other girls and a guy who had relations with the same guy, and they all agreed that he "raped" them, but they couldn't prove it.[/QUOTE]
What does any of this have to do with mattress girl other than that they were both raped? What a weird post.
There are absolutely others who'd more clearly deserve the award over her, for example, any of the victims in the Bill Cosby lawsuits, where the pressure to keep quiet about it would've been greater, given his famous standing.
This has devalued the award considerably, in my opinion.
[QUOTE=srobins;50613486]What does any of this have to do with mattress girl other than that they were both raped? What a weird post.[/QUOTE]
Mattress girl wasn't raped though.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50610830]Really not too dang familiar with the story here. What did she lie about, specifically?[/QUOTE]
Her story of the rape is full of holes and logical inconsistencies then she spent the entirety of her college years harassing the guy even though she had no case against him
[QUOTE=Gum100;50613523]There are absolutely others who'd more clearly deserve the award over her, for example, any of the victims in the Bill Cosby lawsuits, where the pressure to keep quiet about it would've been greater, given his famous standing.
This has devalued the award considerably, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
He also hasn't been convicted yet.
How about we don't give awards to alleged rape victims until at the very least the courts process the case.
Not doing so only leads to later embarrassments such as this case.
There are much better ways to advocate reducing rape then this bullshit anyway.
[QUOTE=bunguer;50613143]It's amazing that despite all the evidence regarding this case, people still doubt his innocence and are quickly to defend her - Looking at you Big Dumb American - this is a straightforward case with plenty of evidence of her lies, you can even read her chats yourself.
It's because of people like her that victims of actual rape have trouble coming forward and aren't taken serious, how can the largest organization for women actually award someone like her? It's ridiculous and one more reason why NOW is out of touch.[/QUOTE]
Apparently the only reasoning they care about is "she has a vagina. women have vaginas. women need more power"
[QUOTE=Tudd;50611790]Don't forget she has to say it enthusiastically too. Normal tone yes isn't good enough nowadays.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/bFjr8Uj.gif[/IMG]
You mean this?
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So I read a report on the matter and it's never really clear cut if the man was innocent or not, although the girl has clearly done some really dodgy stuff and provided false testimony. Although I think that before this gets tried by a court of law we should give both sides the benefit of the doubt.
Not saying I don't think the girl is a total scumbag for basically ruining a potentially innocent man's reputation and getting an award for it though.
Regarding her art piece, I think it's less of an art piece and more of a publicity stunt - as facts about the case come to light, her claim becomes less and less credible until her supposed "art piece" becomes little more than a publicity stunt than a genuine expression of self.
Please explain to someone who doesn't know too much about American laws this: how on this fucking planet they didn't threw a book at her for everything she did?
[QUOTE=DaBeaver;50616007]Please explain to someone who doesn't know too much about American laws this: how on this fucking planet they didn't threw a book at her for everything she did?[/QUOTE]
Because unfortunately, when it comes rape, many people have adopted a "guilty until proven innocent"-mindset. Doesn't help that universities can conduct these kind of investigations on their own, which are always biased, since they don't want to tarnish their reputation.
This isn't exclusive to the US by the way, it's just where you hear the most stories.
[QUOTE=DaBeaver;50616007]Please explain to someone who doesn't know too much about American laws this: how on this fucking planet they didn't threw a book at her for everything she did?[/QUOTE]
Because legally we're still working on evolving those laws to a modern mindset. I mean shit we're still working on updating rape laws to support the fact that men can indeed be raped by women.
Its such a shitty situation because women are sometimes harassed into dropping rape accusations completely because "come onnn... you know you wanted it, did he [I][U]really[/U][/I] [I]rape[/I] you?"
Which has now caused many women, for good reason, to [B]vehemently[/B] defend their case in rape accusations.
Which blurs together with those making false accusations who act the same way, or even worse in this case, in order to make their case seem more real.
[video=youtube;4QlpKjhvZGw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QlpKjhvZGw[/video]
TRIGGER WARNING - somewhat related to above comments
NO. ONE. SUPPORTS. RAPE. except for when people talk about prison rape [I]then[/I] it's okay. :clown:
you know everything is going down the shitter when women need special awards like this
[QUOTE=BioWaster;50616242][video=youtube;4QlpKjhvZGw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QlpKjhvZGw[/video]
TRIGGER WARNING - somewhat related to above comments
NO. ONE. SUPPORTS. RAPE. except for when people talk about prison rape [I]then[/I] it's okay. :clown:[/QUOTE]
what the fuck, that escalated quickly. this guys nuts
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50610830]Really not too dang familiar with the story here. What did she lie about, specifically?[/QUOTE]
It's been proven multiple times that the man did not in fact rape her, that he could in fact supposedly not even be able to rape her in the way and time she alleged.
Instead she keeps claiming it has happened and has been constantly tormenting and harassing him, using multiple channels to attack him.
It's gotten to the point where he is suing the university for allowing her to do that.
[QUOTE=Paramud;50612824]From a litigious standpoint that's still rape. The intoxicated can not give legal consent.[/QUOTE]
Complicated. Intoxication by itself doesn't actually remove your ability to give legal consent and on top of that it only does that once it has a proveable affect on your faculties. It gets even more complicated if both parties had something to drink and are intoxicated. And even then you would often pose the question of what would the person do while sober and why did they get drunk in the first place.
Essentially sex while intoxicated is one of the more convoluted legal issues and is often really considered to be rape once one party cannot give consent or even meaningfully decline.
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